AMD to Intel

Nculver

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I have been a long time user and fan of AMD products, because while i certainly was not building the fastest PC in the world, i could always run any game maxed on AMD products for significantly cheaper than intel based parts. Bulldozer however has shaken my belief in AMD. Now i know that in highly threaded applications that bulldozer is not a pig, but gaming is rarely a highly threaded activity. I mean there are instances where my mildly overclocked 1100T will blow the doors of a FX6100, and some instances where it will beat the FX8150 which is what like 60 bucks more expensive.

Long story short I plan to switch over to an intel based system in the next few months (by March I should have roughly 600-700 dollars to throw around) and i will need both a motherboard and CPU. I know that the 2500K is a solid option, but with ivy bridge soon to be out and the new 2011 socket im at a loss as to what i should do, and i am worried if i am overlooking something. I am doing primarily gaming with limited video editing (not enough to justify the 2600k or even my 1100T). When i look at for instance a i7 960 how would that fair versus a i5 2500K? the 960 is more expensive and uses more power, but its an older architecture and I simply do not know enough to determine if its a better chip for my purposes. Is the triple channel memory significantly faster ( I remember reading it wasnt), do the X58 and X78 offer more features, or are they simply more expensive?

Obviously i have lots of questions, so im sorry for how long this post was, Intel's offerings are just a tad more complicated than AMD's.

So far my best guess is that the hyper threading on the 960 wont make up for its lower clock in gaming, and that an overclocked i5 2500k is the best option and since its cheaper than the 960 my excess funds would be better spent towards a mobo with more features.

Sorry, this is so disjointed with so many questions, but thanks for any and all input!

For those who dont want to read or find it unnecessary to read through the above ramble, i am looking for advice on what would be a good option for a new CPU motherboard combo for gaming in the 6-700 dollar range around march of 2012. (I am open to some of the funds being spent on a custom watercooling setup for overclocking, although i already have a NH-D14 so overclocking is possible without contributing any of the 6-700 dollars to cooling.
 
kinda hard to say this early at least not until IB price points start showing up. But my understanding is that Gen 3 mobo's will support IB so there half the equation down. With the current chipset limitations what you'll want to look at is whats most important to you in a mobo. While I was doing my researching for my transition from AMD to Intel I noted with the Z68 chipset that the pci-e lanes are sharde with the usb 3.0 and 2.0 so the more usb you have the less pci-e lanes you have and vice versa. Now since ur building a gaming rig you'll prolly want more psi-e bandwidth to sli with. Which is the way I went with my Gigabyte Z68X-UD4-B3 (gen 3's werent out yet) for me it was the best combination of usb and pci-e bandwidth spread.

oops edit: also included with that sharing is SATA ports on the Z68 chip
 
kinda hard to say this early at least not until IB price points start showing up. But my understanding is that Gen 3 mobo's will support IB so there half the equation down. With the current chipset limitations what you'll want to look at is whats most important to you in a mobo. While I was doing my researching for my transition from AMD to Intel I noted with the Z68 chipset that the pci-e lanes are sharde with the usb 3.0 and 2.0 so the more usb you have the less pci-e lanes you have and vice versa. Now since ur building a gaming rig you'll prolly want more psi-e bandwidth to sli with. Which is the way I went with my Gigabyte Z68X-UD4-B3 (gen 3's werent out yet) for me it was the best combination of usb and pci-e bandwidth spread.

oops edit: also included with that sharing is SATA ports on the Z68 chip

So you are saying that the 1156 socket is still the best bet especially if IB is reasonably priced? If i dont want integrated graphics is there a reason to go for a Z68 over a P67?
 
my gigabyte board is not intergrated graphics model. I didnt really scope out the P67's as I was wanting latest chipset. So if ur planning IB you'll need to go Z68 with a Gen 3 board. Although iirc a bios flash might allow IB to be used on older ones you'll have to research that out
 
my gigabyte board is not intergrated graphics model. I didnt really scope out the P67's as I was wanting latest chipset. So if ur planning IB you'll need to go Z68 with a Gen 3 board. Although iirc a bios flash might allow IB to be used on older ones you'll have to research that out

Thanks ill look into it.
 
I think your budget could get an i5 2500k and 1 good graphics card rig'd, that's an OK gamer and mini video editor, mainly Because the motherboard you'd afford would be low/mid-range and you'd be limited in options to make it better, but your electronics are cheaper than ours in Great Britain so you could be doing better than that eh? i5 2500k great overclocker, exactly what you'll need to get the best gamer for the money, get a good CPU cooler. The waiting game for socket 2011 etc I think is in your court, I cannot advise you there though I doubt near future games will kill the 2500k. GL
 
So you are saying that the 1156 socket is still the best bet especially if IB is reasonably priced? If i dont want integrated graphics is there a reason to go for a Z68 over a P67?

I hope you mean 1155.
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I think your budget could get an i5 2500k and 1 good graphics card rig'd, that's an OK gamer and mini video editor, mainly Because the motherboard you'd afford would be low/mid-range and you'd be limited in options to make it better, but your electronics are cheaper than ours in Great Britain so you could be doing better than that eh? i5 2500k great overclocker, exactly what you'll need to get the best gamer for the money, get a good CPU cooler. The waiting game for socket 2011 etc I think is in your court, I cannot advise you there though I doubt near future games will kill the 2500k. GL

I actually have 700 dollars for just the motherboard and CPU, not an entire system. I already have a 6950 HD, case, psu, everything i just plan on switching from AMD to intel for my cpu. So with 700 bucks i was assuming id be able to get one of if not the best 1155 mobo on the market assuming its in the sub 500 dollar range as an i5 is 200 dollars (or it can be found at that price) I also already have a nice CPU cooler, NH-D14, but do you guys think that it might make sense to spend like 250 on a mobo, 200 on the cpu, and 250 on a simple CPU water loop?
 
Some p67 mobos have support for Ivybridge my p8p67 Deluxe does with bios update. Would get a board with pci 3 though. With your budget shouldnt be too much of a problem.
 
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OK.

I think you should consider socket 2011, it'll last alot longer, though the i5 2500k should be great, I wonder if a budget concouise person can justify putting $700 in when you run a good AMD build now, so it'd be justice to go socket 2011.

I looked ASUS mobo's for you. I see British UK ASUS shows a ROG RAMPAGE 4 FORMULA but on ASUS USA section it isn't there. Here it is : http://uk.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_2011/Rampage_IV_Formula/

Very nice
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The formula is very suited to your need as it's excellent for gaming, great for other hungry general apps too. The ROG EXTREME versions might be overkill for you, financialy too I think it isn't as well suited as the formula, but the futre may tell. So I hope you could get this board and a CPU for $700, I'm guessing it'll cost about $350 a piece and you can OC the CPU easily with that board and it'll work great, and the board will accept and fullfill demands of CPU upgrades OC'd. I think that'll be a great start.

If you it's too expensive I reccomend you thrash your AMD till you can afford it
 
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OK.

I think you should consider socket 2011, it'll last alot longer, though the i5 2500k should be great, I wonder if a budget concouise person can justify putting $700 in when you run a good AMD build now, so it'd be justice to go socket 2011.

I looked ASUS mobo's for you. I see British UK ASUS shows a ROG RAMPAGE 4 FORMULA but on ASUS USA section it isn't there. Here it is : http://uk.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_2011/Rampage_IV_Formula/

Very nice
smile.gif
The formula is very suited to your need as it's excellent for gaming, great for other hungry general apps too. The ROG EXTREME versions might be overkill for you, financialy too I think it isn't as well suited as the formula, but the futre may tell. So I hope you could get this board and a CPU for $700, I'm guessing it'll cost about $350 a piece and you can OC the CPU easily with that board and it'll work great, and the board will accept and fullfill demands of CPU upgrades OC'd. I think that'll be a great start.

If you it's too expensive I reccomend you thrash your AMD till you can afford it

Yeah that was sort of my initial feeling as well. Just overclock the living hell out of the 1100t on my noctua and hold out for 2011 prices to drop a bit. Right now i can only find the 3930k at around 599 bucks, which is above intels recommended price, and its sold out in a few locations. But i think if i waited until march or so i could easily have enough for a 2011 setup, but by that time ivy bridge (1155)will be out as a cheaper alternative, and then i am back at square one. Anyways thanks for all of the suggestions guys it has really helped!
 
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