Amd mantle ?????
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Remmy
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I don't think you need an AMD CPU, it's only for AMD GPUs. It is supposed to be a better performing alternative to other APIs like DirectX and OpenGL. It should allow better graphics rendering and better use of graphics memory and several other things.
As I understand it, BF4 gets a patch to utilise Mantle sometime this month.
As I understand it, BF4 gets a patch to utilise Mantle sometime this month.
Dicehunter
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From what I've read it will work on all hardware but AMD hardware will have a slight advantage.
WYP
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AMD's mantle is a graphical API like Direct-X and open-GL
It is currently not released on any games currently, but Battlefield 4 should support Mantle by the end of the month.
Mantles purpose is to allow Low level hardware access to AMD gpus for developers allowing more CPU draw calls (which allows much weaker cpus to be used without becoming a bottlekneck) and for games to utilize AMD GPU's much more efficiently. It also allows for allocation of GPU memory.
ATM AMD advertise an up to 45% performance improvement over DX11, we will not know how much this it is improved in minimum or average framerates until it is released.
An AMD CPU is not required for mantle but a AMD GCN based GPU is.
As for 290x performance compared to a 780 Ti, i advise going to the main OC3D site and read a few reviews.
It is currently not released on any games currently, but Battlefield 4 should support Mantle by the end of the month.
Mantles purpose is to allow Low level hardware access to AMD gpus for developers allowing more CPU draw calls (which allows much weaker cpus to be used without becoming a bottlekneck) and for games to utilize AMD GPU's much more efficiently. It also allows for allocation of GPU memory.
ATM AMD advertise an up to 45% performance improvement over DX11, we will not know how much this it is improved in minimum or average framerates until it is released.
An AMD CPU is not required for mantle but a AMD GCN based GPU is.
As for 290x performance compared to a 780 Ti, i advise going to the main OC3D site and read a few reviews.
SieB
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Mantle is an API, which is basically what a game is built to run on. Most modern PC games run on DirectX11 but DirectX11 is very demanding on memory and doesn't utilize the CPU as much.
Mantle offers improved CPU and GPU utilization and off loads tasks that would normally be done on the GPU on to the CPU and improves performance.
You don't need a CPU to run it but you do need a HD7xxx, R7, R8 or R9 AMD GPU.
There is more to it than just that but i'm no expert on it and that is my basic understanding of it. It isn't running on BF4 yet but it will be in a few weeks. According to the latest rumours the next AMD driver which is 14.1 and is the first driver with Mantle support is due within the next couple of weeks, so when that drops most likely so will Mantle support for BF4.
As for the 290x and 780Ti it's around on average 10% but it's slightly higher in some games, mainly Nvidia games like Batman.
Mantle offers improved CPU and GPU utilization and off loads tasks that would normally be done on the GPU on to the CPU and improves performance.
You don't need a CPU to run it but you do need a HD7xxx, R7, R8 or R9 AMD GPU.
There is more to it than just that but i'm no expert on it and that is my basic understanding of it. It isn't running on BF4 yet but it will be in a few weeks. According to the latest rumours the next AMD driver which is 14.1 and is the first driver with Mantle support is due within the next couple of weeks, so when that drops most likely so will Mantle support for BF4.
As for the 290x and 780Ti it's around on average 10% but it's slightly higher in some games, mainly Nvidia games like Batman.
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Remmy
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I had the impression that it's currently only implemented on what AMD refers to as their 'Graphics Core Next GPUs', although it may extend to other GPUs in the future.
SieB
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It runs on the GNC architecture, so any GPU in AMD's HD 7xxx series, R7, R8 and R9 series.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Mantle is an API or Application Programming Interface. It will allow for far more optimization and use of actual processing power available to the GPU and CPU.
Most modern game engines using DX use about 50% pf the total CPU but do so in a way thats inefficient because of driver overhead and driver's doing a lot of the work rather than the programmer, making it harder for optimization and performance drop offs at rather low batch calls. Mantle comes in and allows for basically 100% control to the programmer allowing him/her to create as many batch calls as the engine can handle. Mantle will allow the programmer to do more with less, meaning he can do more with less processing power. This would allow for better frame rates, better visuals, and the biggest reason why its a game changer, Better games! Better games will come out with it because of the less restrictive overheads and etc. allowing for various improvements to games and such. For example a strategy game with 20k units on the screen each doing individual tasks or a space game with 50k spacecraft in an all out war.
I could keep going but too tired too
Also as DiceHunter said. AMD hardware benefits the most but Intel and Nvidia also get a boost, just not to the extent AMD chips will.
And regarding the 290x vs 780ti: The Sapphire 290 Tri-X when overclocked can get on the heels of the 780ti. No reviews are out for the 290x Tri-X card but if it acts the same as the 290 it will easily be the new king of the hill, stock or overclocked.
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As far as i know, Mantle will run on Nvidia cards but the performance increases won't be much.
Intel CPUs do get the benefit though along with AMD CPUs.
Most modern game engines using DX use about 50% pf the total CPU but do so in a way thats inefficient because of driver overhead and driver's doing a lot of the work rather than the programmer, making it harder for optimization and performance drop offs at rather low batch calls. Mantle comes in and allows for basically 100% control to the programmer allowing him/her to create as many batch calls as the engine can handle. Mantle will allow the programmer to do more with less, meaning he can do more with less processing power. This would allow for better frame rates, better visuals, and the biggest reason why its a game changer, Better games! Better games will come out with it because of the less restrictive overheads and etc. allowing for various improvements to games and such. For example a strategy game with 20k units on the screen each doing individual tasks or a space game with 50k spacecraft in an all out war.
I could keep going but too tired too
Also as DiceHunter said. AMD hardware benefits the most but Intel and Nvidia also get a boost, just not to the extent AMD chips will.
And regarding the 290x vs 780ti: The Sapphire 290 Tri-X when overclocked can get on the heels of the 780ti. No reviews are out for the 290x Tri-X card but if it acts the same as the 290 it will easily be the new king of the hill, stock or overclocked.
Edit:
As far as i know, Mantle will run on Nvidia cards but the performance increases won't be much.
Intel CPUs do get the benefit though along with AMD CPUs.
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SieB
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Mantle is an API or Application Programming Interface. It will allow for far more optimization and use of actual processing power available to the GPU and CPU.
Most modern game engines using DX use about 50% pf the total CPU but do so in a way thats inefficient because of driver overhead and driver's doing a lot of the work rather than the programmer, making it harder for optimization and performance drop offs at rather low batch calls. Mantle comes in and allows for basically 100% control to the programmer allowing him/her to create as many batch calls as the engine can handle. Mantle will allow the programmer to do more with less, meaning he can do more with less processing power. This would allow for better frame rates, better visuals, and the biggest reason why its a game changer, Better games! Better games will come out with it because of the less restrictive overheads and etc. allowing for various improvements to games and such. For example a strategy game with 20k units on the screen each doing individual tasks or a space game with 50k spacecraft in an all out war.
I could keep going but too tired too
Also as DiceHunter said. AMD hardware benefits the most but Intel and Nvidia also get a boost, just not to the extent AMD chips will.
And regarding the 290x vs 780ti: The Sapphire 290 Tri-X when overclocked can get on the heels of the 780ti. No reviews are out for the 290x Tri-X card but if it acts the same as the 290 it will easily be the new king of the hill, stock or overclocked.
Edit:
As far as i know, Mantle will run on Nvidia cards but the performance increases won't be much.
Intel CPUs do get the benefit though along with AMD CPUs.
I'm glad there is at least one of us who knows about these things
Thanks for clearing it up.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
I'm glad there is at least one of us who knows about these things
Thanks for clearing it up.
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NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
New line? It came out like 3 months ago
If you mean 3rd party coolers then it depends on manufactures. So far the Sapphire Tri-X cooler is the best for 290/290x.
