AMD Kaveri

[MacLeod]

inb4 AMD announce a "i7 beater" which is basically a super overclocked A10 with a 290x gpu soldered on the chip for £9999. I really hope AMD don't dick Kaveri up although they've seemed pretty sane with APUs thus far.

Judging by the new roadmap that came out yesterday, AMD is conceding the performance desktop segment to Intel. No Steamroller FX or even server chip thru 2014. Looks like they're going all in on APU's.

Looks like I'm gonna have to go Intel for the first time in 12 years. :sad:

 

[vorticalbox]

Judging by the new roadmap that came out yesterday, AMD is conceding the performance desktop segment to Intel. No Steamroller FX or even server chip thru 2014. Looks like they're going all in on APU's.

Looks like I'm gonna have to go Intel for the first time in 12 years. :sad:

the frostbite engine run on 8 cores and should give the AMD CPU's a boost.

i'm not surprise that AMD are pushing their APU's makes sense with their mantle, console, everything has amd push.

 

[WYP]

Judging by the new roadmap that came out yesterday, AMD is conceding the performance desktop segment to Intel. No Steamroller FX or even server chip thru 2014. Looks like they're going all in on APU's.

Looks like I'm gonna have to go Intel for the first time in 12 years. :sad:

kaveri's performance looks very good atm, even it it is below amd's previous estimates. it looks like a real budget performer, if it can overclock well too then it will be a winner,especially the the gpu overclocks well.

apparently the cpu and gpu clocks had to be reduced by around 10% and 30ish % respectively. big loss for the gpu there.

 

[Zoot]

Judging by the new roadmap that came out yesterday, AMD is conceding the performance desktop segment to Intel. No Steamroller FX or even server chip thru 2014. Looks like they're going all in on APU's.

Looks like I'm gonna have to go Intel for the first time in 12 years. :sad:

It was very much expected, given their Opteron roadmap hadn't any 4/6/8 core CPU-only Steamroller based part. Some (including me) were hoping for the fabled 6-core Kaveri, but that's not going to happen next year at least.

Still don't despair yet, I'd say us FX owners (whether it's Bulldozer or Piledriver), will be fine for another while yet with the next-gen games essentially forcing multi-threading, and even the lack of PCIe 3.0 on the AM3+ boards isn't at all an issue yet. I ain't going with an Intel CPU until the very last minute.

Bear in mind Intel is kind of doing the same thing too now, their roadmap for next year just shows a "Haswell Refresh".

EDIT: In case anyone's wondering (I was), those roadmaps MacLeod has posted came from here:
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9MjAxMjA5fENoaWxkSUQ9LTF8VHlwZT0z&t=1 [PDF]

 

[barnsley]

I'm hoping that new games will have increased optimisation for multiple cores as then it'll improve performance for AMD cpus. I'm very happy with the gaming performance of my 8320 however the lack of rendering power bothers me and at the same time I won't really want to put two high end GPUs with it as no matter how much OC'ing I do it will bottleneck it . For the price I still maintain AMD can't be beaten (apart from the 9370/9590s), especially in the £120 and less range. That is the area AMD need to really focus on I think, bang for buck is where they shine and it annoys me when they do things like the 9370/9590. They can't afford to do stupid stuff like that. The APUs do seem like a viable future for AMD and I sadly think that because of that I believe this 8320 will be my first and last AMD CPU. I'll probably still use an APU for a LAN box build though, tee hee.

 

[MacLeod]

It was very much expected, given their Opteron roadmap hadn't any 4/6/8 core CPU-only Steamroller based part. Some (including me) were hoping for the fabled 6-core Kaveri, but that's not going to happen next year at least.

Still don't despair yet, I'd say us FX owners (whether it's Bulldozer or Piledriver), will be fine for another while yet with the next-gen games essentially forcing multi-threading, and even the lack of PCIe 3.0 on the AM3+ boards isn't at all an issue yet. I ain't going with an Intel CPU until the very last minute.

Bear in mind Intel is kind of doing the same thing too now, their roadmap for next year just shows a "Haswell Refresh".

EDIT: In case anyone's wondering (I was), those roadmaps MacLeod has posted came from here:
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9MjAxMjA5fENoaWxkSUQ9LTF8VHlwZT0z&t=1 [PDF]

Yeah Im not so sure Ill actually switch over. For the money I would spend on a 4670K and MSI GD65 Gaming mobo, I could buy a 8320, SSD and fresh new power supply and still have the same gaming performance. Thats an awful hard deal to turn down just to show AMD my butthurt.

My motherboard is still a beast of rock solid stability and I cringe at the idea of having to reinstall my OS again so maybe once I get over my nerdrage Ill probably wind up with a heavily overclocked 8350 and just ride it out.

 

[NeverBackDown]

8320 is only 2 fps behind 4770k in BF4. That alone is quite a feat for AMD. AMD FX cpus can hold their own for gaming.

 

[barnsley]

Gaming is where the FX CPUs hold their own, other things not so much at all... :l

 

[Tripp]

Gaming is where the FX CPUs hold their own, other things not so much at all... :l

you forgot price to performance ratio

 

[vorticalbox]

8320 is only 2 fps behind 4770k in BF4. That alone is quite a feat for AMD. AMD FX cpus can hold their own for gaming.

you got a link for that?

 

[barnsley]

you forgot price to performance ratio

True dat.

 

[ShaunB-91]

AMD's new gaming tablet.

http://hexus.net/mobile/news/tablets/62473-amds-project-discovery-tablet-images-leaked/

 

[MacLeod]

Gaming is where the FX CPUs hold their own, other things not so much at all... :l

That's all I do with my rig.......well that and stream porn.

 

[WeLikeLead]

8320 is only 2 fps behind 4770k in BF4. That alone is quite a feat for AMD. AMD FX cpus can hold their own for gaming.

BF4 is optimized for AMD components which is why they get a bit of a overall performance boost, what they need to do is get that arrangement with more developers rather than letting Intel and Nvidia hold all the cards.

Sadly BF4 alone does not change the Status Quo.




Thanks,

WeLikeLead

 

[Silver Sparrow]

Take it with a large handful of salt but should this info be correct this upcoming apu could hold itself against haswell, if all else holds up equally well;

http://wccftech.com/amd-kaveri-stea...oint-results-show-viable-competition-haswell/

 

[Zoot]

Ill probably wind up with a heavily overclocked 8350 and just ride it out.

I'll probably upgrade my GPU to a R9-290/780 or even R9-290X next year and sit on this system as long as it gives me acceptable gaming performance. I actually got nearly 4 years out of a Phenom II X4 955 & Radeon HD4870 combo. It even managed Skyrim quite well.

If it has to be Intel in the future, I'll probably hold off until the X99 chipset comes out and grab a hex-core.

Take it with a large handful of salt but should this info be correct this upcoming apu could hold itself against haswell, if all else holds up equally well;

http://wccftech.com/amd-kaveri-stea...oint-results-show-viable-competition-haswell/

Grain of salt indeed.

The APUs have historically competed with the Intel i3's and sometimes trade blows with the low-end i5's. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I don't see this competing with the higher end Intel offerings.

Although... (and I've said this before), Gigabyte have an actual G1.Sniper board, which is a high-end gaming orientated option for the Kaveri APUs. Could it be a possible indication of better than expected gaming performance given that there were no "gaming" FM2 boards?
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4683#ov

 

[Silver Sparrow]

Although... (and I've said this before), Gigabyte have an actual G1.Sniper board, which is a high-end gaming orientated option for the Kaveri APUs. Could it be a possible indication of better than expected gaming performance given that there were no "gaming" FM2 boards?
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4683#ov

Very nice, shame it only has pci3 16x/4x. The fact it supports xfire at all makes me wonder what you say will hold true. I hope so.

[Food for thought] I don't know if you've watched any videos on mantle but they say developers will be able to use differing performance gpus within a system to compute tasks; I imagine the A10-7850k's igpu could be used for physics and said systems dGPU(s) for frame rendering et al. Couldn't that make it worth it instead of say an i7/i5? All in the lands of possibilities I know, but tantalising nonetheless.

 

[NeverBackDown]

BF4 is optimized for AMD components which is why they get a bit of a overall performance boost, what they need to do is get that arrangement with more developers rather than letting Intel and Nvidia hold all the cards.

Sadly BF4 alone does not change the Status Quo.

Does it matter? Most newer games are becoming AMD Gaming Evolved anyway. Give it some time. Just like Rome- Games aren't built in a day.

 

[Zoot]

[Food for thought] I don't know if you've watched any videos on mantle but they say developers will be able to use differing performance gpus within a system to compute tasks; I imagine the A10-7850k's igpu could be used for physics and said systems dGPU(s) for frame rendering et al. Couldn't that make it worth it instead of say an i7/i5? All in the lands of possibilities I know, but tantalising nonetheless.

Yeah that's the theory, and the whole point of the whole "Fusion" push.

Regardless, I'm looking forward to seeing Kaveri benchmarks, it'll be interesting to see how the Steamroller cores actually perform, plus I'd say the IGPU will be quite powerful.

Also AMD is better off focusing on their APUs and GPUs (what they do very well) from a financial standpoint, even if us enthusiasts don't like it. Still, sad that I'll probably have to swallow my dis-like of Intel and switch to them in the future.

 

[barnsley]

If they pull it out of the bag and -somehow- make the chips faster than the FX6xxx/8xxx chips I'll be very impressed. If they can keep up with Intel then I'd buy one for myself.