All caught up ?

Twisting things? How is stating the truth twisting things?

The bottom line is this.

You fall for marketing pap, I don't. It's as simple as that.

And no, I am not a conspiracy theorist either, here come the accusations again ! you seem to like doing that.

I just live in the real world, and I am fed up with being fed cold soup. Promises, pipe dreams. They never ever come to fruition.

And, Christmas 2011 was the final straw. Here comes even more crap based on crap relying on the future. The problem is that by the time any of this stuff comes into its own it will be AS USUAL woefully out of date.

As for this tech bringing anything new?

I tell you what, let's make this fair.

You tell me what technology has done for gaming over the past five years (and you can leave out all of the pointless gimmicks and tessellation) and I will listen. Tell me what there is to be excited about, and not just the hyperbole and crap of a company who want to take my money.

Starting. Now.

dude chillax we all have our opinions and thats what makes us different. But imho you do come across as a conspiracy theorist kind person. We all know what is hyped up and a load of Bullshite but its what makes us enthusiasts what alot of us dont like is someone coming by each and every post and trashing what we said over and over state ur point and move on simples. No need to constantly argue ur point when its made. Yeah it may of been egged on past ur points and whatever else but jezz dude lighten up and stay with what ya got or upgrade its ur option as its ours to go for the newest latest tech. Your constantly trashing it just turns ppl off from what you say or do. I used to look at what you posted as it had relevance to the topic on hand but of late all I see or hear is blah blah blah blah
 
Well said S_I_N. I didn't want to post anything as I knew what the result would be, lol. Too much negativity like you said S_I_N.
 
dude chillax we all have our opinions and thats what makes us different. But imho you do come across as a conspiracy theorist kind person. We all know what is hyped up and a load of Bullshite but its what makes us enthusiasts what alot of us dont like is someone coming by each and every post and trashing what we said over and over state ur point and move on simples. No need to constantly argue ur point when its made. Yeah it may of been egged on past ur points and whatever else but jezz dude lighten up and stay with what ya got or upgrade its ur option as its ours to go for the newest latest tech. Your constantly trashing it just turns ppl off from what you say or do. I used to look at what you posted as it had relevance to the topic on hand but of late all I see or hear is blah blah blah blah

Dude, I am perfectly relaxed.

And I would absolutely and utterly love to share your excitement about pointless products. I don't mean that in an insulting manner, I just really wish I could get into the groove with the upcoming crap.

The problem is the last year to me has felt like just going through the motions. It's not a conspiracy, and it's not me personally, it's just how things are headed.

It's not even just PC gaming tbh, it's pretty much everything on a grand scale. As time goes on we are being offered far less for far more money. And the actual thought that goes into the stuff?

How many games have included wastelands and vaults since Fallout 3? Honestly?

Well first there was Borderlands, and then there was RAGE. They say that imitation is the highest form of flattery but jesus chuffing wept. Talk about take an idea and then rinse it until it becomes transparent.

This is, in 35 years of me gaming, the worst year ever for it. And I don't see any reason to be filled with cheer. Of course to me, who actually really wants to play good games (and not just make computers, I'm getting tired of that bit) there just aren't any. All I see are reruns and sequels of the stuff we had before.

How did Lee Evans put it?

"I can't stand these restaurants that offer good home cooked food..." "THAT'S WHY I'M HERE, BECAUSE I CAN'T STAND THE S**T AT HOME"
 
You are just coming across as a conspiracy theorist who thinks the government is listening to all our phone calls and drugging our water to keep us under mind control and big evil corporations are trying to scam us out of our money.

OK. So Nvidia et al are all saints?

I'm sure you know the history of Nvidia yes? the one where they basically hyped up GPUs that were slower than their competition (I'm talking of course about 3DFX) and slagged off their cards so much that in the end people like you fell for it and they put 3DFX out of business?

Or how about their lovely rebrands. You know? where they take a GPU they have already used and rename it / renumber it and then go out and rip off their dedicated fans by selling them what they had already?

You, son, need to wake up and take a look around the real world. And stop living in the land of make believe.

Nvidia and AMD are both nasty, spiteful money driven corporations who would do their level best to drive out all of the competition (by fair means, foul means, or simply using the "Walmart scam") and then charge you a king's ransom for a load of old crap.

That is the one true goal of any corporation. Drive out the competition, get the market all to yourself and then dominate.

Pay minimum wage, ignore your customers (because you know best) and keep the gears of the machine churning. Lie about your products, sell crap products, threaten reviewers with cease and desist orders who do not look upon your product favourably and do whatever you can to convince people you are supplying what they want.

Without actually giving it to them.

Infact the more I think about it the more the GPU market place seems like shooting up heroin. You're chasing a dragon, but they'll never let you catch it.
 
Why are you replying again to something you have already replied to.

Of cause you are not a troll
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on to the user ignore list you go.
 
It's not paranoia most things currently are hype with little substance. It's how marketing works. The "green" power example above saving you GBP$4.00 per year is classic.

My hopes are that the finacial crash will make people think twice about having heaps of gimicky junk, long broken or defunct debted on their cc's and that buying something once again becomes a serious investment, not just a faddish whim and then industry will be forced to follow. Who knows though, maybe the $2 shops will win.

My brother is just around the corner and has a newish computer, it has 3d vision which I have never seen.. and even in all this research to make my own computer.. I've never bothered to ask to see it.

As for the creative side, when things go dull we get stuff like Ramones & Pistols emerge. Note they didn't rely on the latest greatest technology of their time, but stripped it back to the raw basics, put the guts & feeling back into it.
 
I think the whole PC industry needs a kick up it's backside tbh.

Looking at games first: From the software developers to the hardware manufacturers, to whoever. I see pitiful excuses for games coming out and selling by the truckload, and it's a crying shame because although it gets the sales, it's not really what people want.

Look at MW3 sales. They are huge, but I've not met many people who think MW3 is that more enjoyable than Black Ops or MW2. In fact a lot of people I know, both console and PC gamers, still prefer MW1 or MW2 to the current game.

Having said that, there are some amazing games out there, I personally miss the days of Mafia II. When it came to this christmas, and my PC is back at Uni and I have just a netbook at home, and watching all the christmas adverts and snow and such, I actually reminisced about the days when I used to play Mafia II in the snow. Talk about being sad and too immersed in the game, but hey it's the truth. There are some really good games that were released in 2011, way more than in 2010, I still have a large backlog of games I want to finish playing in the coming weeks. You can't reasonably expect every game to be innovative or have new features because people will actually run out of practical/implementable ideas. Many games do have a few small new ideas at a time, and it all builds up.

Although one thing I can't accept is the fact that people release buggy games. With multi million pound/dollar budgets, these guys should be taking the time and care to iron out just about every bug. When Metro 2033 came out so many people struggled to open it let alone play it, let alone enjoy it in all it's glory cos it's demanding as hell.

When it comes to GPUs, I don't pay bills but I care about temperatures, I don't want to be sitting at the PC sweating :/ I'd value a quieter card to a less power hungry card, but the two go hand in hand and it's one of the reasons I'm excited for what the next 28nm generation of GPUs bring.

At the end of the day, innovation drives the world of technology. The people who steer it are the corporations, the nVidias and AMDs and Intels of this world. But who fuels the car? The end user, with cash.

And the reasons why you see people buying Xfire setups, the reason they buy 3d Vision (like me), the reason they get multiple monitor set ups, it isn't necessarily because it's cost efficient, or because it makes sense (nobody really needs multiple screens unless you're monitoring CCTV or something), but it's generally because it's what they want.

Some people buy watches, some buy cars and mod them, and some spend their hard earned ££s/$$s on PCs.

On these forums perhaps, or on others, I bet you will see guys going from perfectly reasonable Phenom X4s to Bulldozer, or perhaps go from a HD6970 to a HD7970, or do other things which just seem crazy. They might not do research or whatever, it might be a waste of money. In reality, looking at cold hard facts every single person on this forum is wasting money on a PC, because for just about all of us our PCs do more than we need them to.

I get taught in a microeconomics module that for any rational choice, the benefits of that choice must outweigh the costs.

But as the saying goes, the one thing you cannot account for is taste.

At the end of the day, that's why we all pay a cost above the true value of all this new hardware. It might just be marketing bs, in fact it probably is in most cases, but all of us here pay more for our our hardware than it is worth because we all love PCs.

I don't even know how much of this post makes sense, but ima hit post anyway.
 
I think the whole PC industry needs a kick up it's backside tbh.

Looking at games first: From the software developers to the hardware manufacturers, to whoever. I see pitiful excuses for games coming out and selling by the truckload, and it's a crying shame because although it gets the sales, it's not really what people want.

Look at MW3 sales. They are huge, but I've not met many people who think MW3 is that more enjoyable than Black Ops or MW2. In fact a lot of people I know, both console and PC gamers, still prefer MW1 or MW2 to the current game.

Having said that, there are some amazing games out there, I personally miss the days of Mafia II. When it came to this christmas, and my PC is back at Uni and I have just a netbook at home, and watching all the christmas adverts and snow and such, I actually reminisced about the days when I used to play Mafia II in the snow. Talk about being sad and too immersed in the game, but hey it's the truth. There are some really good games that were released in 2011, way more than in 2010, I still have a large backlog of games I want to finish playing in the coming weeks. You can't reasonably expect every game to be innovative or have new features because people will actually run out of practical/implementable ideas. Many games do have a few small new ideas at a time, and it all builds up.

Although one thing I can't accept is the fact that people release buggy games. With multi million pound/dollar budgets, these guys should be taking the time and care to iron out just about every bug. When Metro 2033 came out so many people struggled to open it let alone play it, let alone enjoy it in all it's glory cos it's demanding as hell.

When it comes to GPUs, I don't pay bills but I care about temperatures, I don't want to be sitting at the PC sweating :/ I'd value a quieter card to a less power hungry card, but the two go hand in hand and it's one of the reasons I'm excited for what the next 28nm generation of GPUs bring.

At the end of the day, innovation drives the world of technology. The people who steer it are the corporations, the nVidias and AMDs and Intels of this world. But who fuels the car? The end user, with cash.

And the reasons why you see people buying Xfire setups, the reason they buy 3d Vision (like me), the reason they get multiple monitor set ups, it isn't necessarily because it's cost efficient, or because it makes sense (nobody really needs multiple screens unless you're monitoring CCTV or something), but it's generally because it's what they want.

Some people buy watches, some buy cars and mod them, and some spend their hard earned ££s/$s on PCs.

On these forums perhaps, or on others, I bet you will see guys going from perfectly reasonable Phenom X4s to Bulldozer, or perhaps go from a HD6970 to a HD7970, or do other things which just seem crazy. They might not do research or whatever, it might be a waste of money. In reality, looking at cold hard facts every single person on this forum is wasting money on a PC, because for just about all of us our PCs do more than we need them to.

I get taught in a microeconomics module that for any rational choice, the benefits of that choice must outweigh the costs.

But as the saying goes, the one thing you cannot account for is taste.

At the end of the day, that's why we all pay a cost above the true value of all this new hardware. It might just be marketing bs, in fact it probably is in most cases, but all of us here pay more for our our hardware than it is worth because we all love PCs.

I don't even know how much of this post makes sense, but ima hit post anyway.

Hit the nail on the head with a positive attitude
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you make a good point about the £4.00 a year saving per card....

but think about it this way, amd's team must care about the environment, or want to seem like they do, because that means every person who buys a 7970 saves 4.00 a year on 'leccy, so ....

if they sell 100,000 cards, thats 400,000 pounds saved on leccy over a year...

because i bet all of those people were running a high performance card before it, if not all, most, and so this would save the environment in a small way as its 400,000 quids worth of leccy that goes un-used, and thats just in pc's!
 
Modern Warfare 3, Battlefield 3, Serious Sam 3, God of War 3, sooo many 3's! :S And i'm sure i missed some...
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