Alienware VS Custom pc

As you said there are pros and cons to everything. I worked, nay, ran a computer shop for five years. In that time you would be utterly amazed at some of the things that happened.

I had a guy come in and by a build set. It was back a week later, motherboard held in with dustbin ties (those plastic things with the metal through them).

I had some one buy a CDRW, fitted it and then proceeded to put a two pin 12v wire from the psu (for an aux fan) onto the slave header on the back, frying it and the IDE cables down to bare wires.

Posts in the wrong place causing all sorts of problems.

I mean take a look around the internet. I've seen people spray paint a motherboard and then colour in the fets and VRMs with a red marker, duck tape their pc at the seems and then fill it with water. You name it, where there's an idiot there's a problem.

Now yes, *most* of the world's population does have the patience to figure stuff out. But, even a very close friend of mine who is skilled enough to district manage a Gamestop has made some really silly mistakes. Ended up getting annoyed during a build, threw it across the room before realising he hadn't plugged in the 8 pin EPS. And so on and so on.

I have been building computers since I was 7. I'll give my age away now, I'm 38. My first computer was a Sinclair ZX80 'kit' that my uncle and I soldered and built. From there I built my first 286, then 386 which was upgraded to a 486 and so on. However, even *I* have had nightmares along the way. When I upgraded to Thunderbird during the early noughties I bought a Abit board (top of the pile) an Athlon Tbird (1ghz) and some SDRAM. It came, it kept locking up during install. Now at that time the only other machine I had was dual xeon with RDRAM. I had nothing to put in it to compare, and the company I purchased it from were telling me that I was welcome to back the lot, but anything found to be working would be subject to a 15% restocking fee and I would not get my postage back. I stood to lose about $150 so I just put it all in the attic and left it there.

Last year I bought a Sapphire pure motherboard from Scan. It was DOA, at least I thought. All over the box it said "Supports Phenom X4 processors" however, it didn't support MY Phenom X4.

£10 testing fee, quelle surprise it worked, no postage back, I lose £17 odd.

Now that was on a £50 motherboard. Imagine that happening with over a thousand pound's worth of hardware? Retailers get shipping discounts, end users do not. Just sending all of it back would run you £30.

So as I maintain, there is a perfect niche in the market for Alienware, Dell (who are now in something ridiculous like 80% of homes and businesses) and so on. Whether you want to think about it or not the onboard graphics business is the biggest graphics business in the world. It makes up something like 90% of all GPU based sales. Whoever can grab the crown and offer something with it will win the day. AMD now have an onboard GPU that can not only run games but also make them playable. For £90 of your hard earned beans you get a 2.6ghz X4 Phenom 2 with a 6750 Radeon aboard. So for less than £250 for an entire computer you can join your friends in smashing zombie skulls in Left 4 Dead/2 and all manner of other games.

With the money that will no doubt come from Llano (especially in the 'gaming' laptop world, you find me one that can run L4D on high for less than £800) they can then reinvest into newer faster CPUs and GPUs and keep the likes of Nvidia and Intel from pulling our pants down and reaming us.

And that is a very good thing. Look at what Rupert Murdoch has done with Sky satellite (taken every known sport from terrestrial TV and made people pay for it). It would be a much darker world with no competition given that part manus are pretty evil (new gpu every month, yours is then worth squat).
 
There are no pros and cons to Custom Pc's, it is so easy to build your own system and by buying from places with good return policies you will be fine with the hardware issues. WoW, really? Your number two reason is just ridicules, it does not sound like a common error as I have never heard of anyone doing something like that XD. Putting it simply, Building your own= Fun+Individuality+Saves the money

How could anyone possibly plug something in the wrong post anyway? Plug a molex into the CPU header = duh, it won't fit.
 
I shall leave you all to ponder this thought for the day.

If the brakes on your car were dangerously low would you -

1. Take them to a mechanic because you really have no idea what you are doing.

2. Listen to some smart arsed know all mechanic who shouts out "DO YOUR OWN !!".
 
I think some people need to understand that not everyone can build their own computer or even for that matter want to spend time on building a pc and fixing all the faults with it. We all know the advantages of custom building however to a random person this is very complicated, it's not just putting hardware together and snapping your fingers, there is bound to be faults or some difficulties whether that is in the beginning or down the line.

It's like saying go build a kit-car, sure it's pretty easy if you read the manual however it will probably get tedious and boring if you don't enjoy building kit-cars (lol James May) or don't have the time. People just want something they can buy and use easily without going through rage-inducing moments and when errors or problems do occur they can (generally) rely for assistance.

On the other hand though, of course it is better to build your own computer and get experience and so on and so forth, so you don't get ripped off by these companies but people don't mind paying these prices otherwise Alienware and all of the other pre-built computer companies would have left the scene by now.

I'll give you an example, I have a 'fairly' rich mate who was asking me for advise on a new laptop, which he also wanted to game on, he was looking at Alienware laptops and I immediately shook my head in disapproval. I discussed how he should build a gaming desktop and told him that I would help in anyway and even offered to help him build a pc for no charge. He still went and bought a £1.5k laptop from Alienware, when I asked him why he said that he couldn't be bothered to learn how to build a computer and didn't want to bother me when anything went wrong.

Now you could call this mate an idiot like I did at the time, however you can't tell the guy how to use his money or tell him he must learn how to build his own computer because it's "dead easy".

I might as well learn how to do everything myself and never buy from a company again. I want a sandwich, I already know how to do one and I have the materials at home and it will be cheaper per sandwich, but I can't be bothered so i'll pop into Greggs when i'm out.
 
I shall leave you all to ponder this thought for the day.

If the brakes on your car were dangerously low would you -

1. Take them to a mechanic because you really have no idea what you are doing.

2. Listen to some smart arsed know all mechanic who shouts out "DO YOUR OWN !!".

If you are a mechanic, I think you'd do your own. Nuff said
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I think that's the problem Kara. Once we have 'picked something up' and know how to do it we all of a sudden become quite the smart arse and expect every one else to be able to do it.

I mean, if I went to my cousin's house whose PC I built for him to game on and said "Hey, Nick, do me a favour mate and unplug the 8 pin EPS and that molex" he would probably look at me like I had two heads.

Infact, so illiterate (and proud to be) is he that he ends up having to drive down to me in Hampshire from London just to have a virus removed.

And no, he's not stupid, he's just not at all interested in becoming a computer obsessed nerd like I am. And that's fine, I'm sure he wouldn't expect me to be able to fix his motorbikes.

There's a long chalk between "fancying a game on the PC for a few months" and spending years learning all of the ins and outs and socket numbers, ram types and speeds, latencies and so on. Some people just aren't interested.

I took a year out once and before I could order my PC I had to do loads of research to make sure that what I was buying was going to work. In the interim period DDR had been introduced in dual channel, the Celeron was now socket 775 (rev A, not to be confused with the second one) ETC ETC.

I can not tell you guys how many times I have seen people ON THIS WEBSITE order an X58 system in parts, with a lovely dual channel DDR3 kit to go with it.
 
Yes, and any one who has worked in I.T or made it their life's worth wouldn't buy an Alienware.

DO YOU SEE?

Yes. There are other system builders in the world besides Alienware and Dell though. Some poor kid might send his savings to oblivion and buy an Acer Predator with the same specs as an Alienware.
 
I shall leave you all to ponder this thought for the day.

If the brakes on your car were dangerously low would you -

1. Take them to a mechanic because you really have no idea what you are doing.

2. Listen to some smart arsed know all mechanic who shouts out "DO YOUR OWN !!".

Considering most mechanics or tire places check this when they do a refit, if you ask them, I'd gladly say it's justified as a time saver.

The only people in this world who can't put together a PC are people who were never given a shape puzzle, or Lego.

You know when people say "I don't know how to setup an Xbox", I say "You put the plugs in the ONLY place they fit"

Also, cars don't come with a manual telling you how to check your brake pads. This is a really stupid thread and a very opinionated one. I say this because there are no pros to spending nearly double the price for poorer quality, in anything, not just computers.

Would you spend double the price if an apple had blue skin?
 
Oh, and FYI. If I was to get a prebuilt custom, I'd get it from these guys - Digital Storm

See how they actually take the time and effort to make it look like they actually give a shit about your money? That's called professionalism
 
I don't think this thread is being interpreted properly, AlienALX isn't defending Alienware he is merely trying to explain how because it's easy for us to build computers and we think it should be easy for most or everybody and it's just wrong. Because we don't find it hard to build systems we see it as stupid when someone buys a pre-built computer or pays a bit extra when they want high performance parts, from companies who are no doubt charging them extra.

The only people in this world who can't put together a PC are people who were never given a shape puzzle, or Lego.

This quote, pretty much proves my point. The fact of the matter is, no not everyone can put a computer together and not everyone even cares about putting a computer together. Just because you're good at something and you find it easy, doesn't mean everyone else will be good at it or even be remotely interested in it.

Oh, and FYI. If I was to get a prebuilt custom, I'd get it from these guys - Digital StormSee how they actually take the time and effort to make it look like they actually give a shit about your money? That's called professionalism

I'm sorry but that's a load of bullshit, all that company cares about is your money. They provide a service for people who cannot build their own computer (which should't even exist since anyone given lego would have been able to build a computer, according you). In what way is that different to Alienware, so what they sugar-coat it a bit more, drop the price a bit, make it look good? If you truly wanted that wouldn't you take the time to do it yourself?

Some people don't care how the instead of their pc looks, how its built, or even how much it costs just that it runs fine without any problems.
 
Oh, and FYI. If I was to get a prebuilt custom, I'd get it from these guys - Digital Storm

See how they actually take the time and effort to make it look like they actually give a shit about your money? That's called professionalism

Origin do the same. And, like your link, charge for the pleasure.

I just took a quick look at that site and specced up a Core I3 2100 with an Nvidia GT 220 and it came to $1,129 pre tax and shipping.

And you close the side and you don't see the wiring job they just charged you £400 for.

On the flipside I currently have Alienware dot com open and for $1199 shipped I can get an I5 2300 with dual GTS 450 in it. So, I could sit here and tell you that I could build it cheaper (in both cases). I could. But, that isn't the point I ever made, and, the one you sorely missed.

A service comes at a price. If you build your own PC then you need to take the following into account -

1. Research. You need to make absolutely sure you are even ordering compatible parts. Make sure that motherboard is 8 pin, that the PSU has enough rail ampage and PCIE connectors, that the socket is correct for the processor you want (as an example the new Llano chips use FM1, I bet loads of people order them for their AM3+) what sized case you need (meaning you need to research what MATX, ATX, EATX and ITX are. And so on.

2. Knowing how it all goes together. Sure, after a build or two you know how to look at the post holes on a board and then fit the posts with your eyes closed. You know how to fit the IO shield and you know how to put the case's front connectors to the motherboard. Many don't. Many don't even know how to fit the power switch headers to the board. Again, you seem to have taken this all for granted in some 'know all display'.

3. Knowing how to install Windows and the drivers for Windows.

I could go on all day about the perils and pitfalls. We don't need to know the positives about building your own PC, take a look up at the logo here and what this site is about and we are catered for. It's a bit silly to take for granted that every one is in the same position of knowledge.

So yes, there are other OEMs out there that will build a system for you and do it incredibly well. However, Alienware offer the same service and, are pretty much untouchable when it comes to price. Go to www.originpc.com . It's amazing. And, so are the prices.

Origin (and the site you linked to) are fantastic for people who do know what they want and how they like a PC to look but just don't have the time to bugger around. Alienware cater to a specific audience and it's a huge one at that, raking in millions of dollars per year and being so big and so successful that Dell stood up, took note, tried to beat them with XPS and then admitted defeat and bought Alienware.

I think the issue here is your seemingly underlying hatred of Alienware. Inside they're not the prettiest of computers. However, the air flow works and, well, it works. They weren't designed for you to take the side off of and criticise, as the user using one will probably not even figure that bit out. Nor would he want to.
 
You completely missed my point in posting that Digital Storm link. I was showing what a professional company does when they prebuild. Wiring does make a difference, it's the little things that matter. Oh and FYI, Digital Storm smash the living shit out of Alienware in price. Aurora vs Ode

Wow, an extra $100, for less performance and a small overclock increase, what a bargain! Even they say it's not worth the price for the performance. 4TB of storage? Nice, it's a gaming desktop. Gotta fit all those steam games, right?
 
You completely missed my point in posting that Digital Storm link. I was showing what a professional company does when they prebuild.

And you think I don't know that because..... ? Answers on a post card.

I know lots of OEMs who wire computers like that, so stop being pedantic. If the wires don't stand in the way of airflow it doesn't matter how they are fitted. That's just a fact. Unless of course you can give me another valid reason for your wiring argument?

I think we have now covered pretty much everything and it seems you just want to continue to argue over it. Thus, I will continue to assume that you just love hating Alienware for whatever reasons and leave it there.

BTW, congrats on getting a good few swearwords out now. Nice to know the standards have been lowered nicely since I last visited.
 
God, your last comment was just so....I cannot even define how utterly wrong it is. I do not wan't a PC that's inside looks like straight arse, and wiring is a big part of that, if it not done right is a computer that is not worth buying, enough said.
 
I really don't understand the AlienALX hate in this thread. For us, buying a decked out prebuilt is not an option. Myself, I enjoy putting together and tidying a computer more than actually using it. Also, in the high end segment I will save a ton of money over buying a prebuilt because the markup is so high. It's the same reason I do all my own work on my house; electric, plumbing, roofing, rough framing, drywall, etc. I save a ton of money doing it myself. Are the people who hire contractors idiots?

I've known some very intelligent (book smart) people who don't know the difference between a philips and a standard screwdriver. Does that make them dumb? No.

Someone who just wants to play some CoD or WoW or Facebook, you know a casual user, really couldn't care less about specs and about wiring they will never ever see. This is the point he is trying to make. As long as it works they will be happy.

He's not telling us all to go out and buy one of these, he's simply saying there is a market for them. This is why they continue to sell year after year.

Sure, polishing and waxing the inside of my truck tire would make it look beautiful, but once the tire is on the rim, I'll never see the inside of it.
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I really don't understand the AlienALX hate in this thread. For us, buying a decked out prebuilt is not an option. Myself, I enjoy putting together and tidying a computer more than actually using it. Also, in the high end segment I will save a ton of money over buying a prebuilt because the markup is so high. It's the same reason I do all my own work on my house; electric, plumbing, roofing, rough framing, drywall, etc. I save a ton of money doing it myself. Are the people who hire contractors idiots?

I've known some very intelligent (book smart) people who don't know the difference between a philips and a standard screwdriver. Does that make them dumb? No.

Someone who just wants to play some CoD or WoW or Facebook, you know a casual user, really couldn't care less about specs and about wiring they will never ever see. This is the point he is trying to make. As long as it works they will be happy.

He's not telling us all to go out and buy one of these, he's simply saying there is a market for them. This is why they continue to sell year after year.

Sure, polishing and waxing the inside of my truck tire would make it look beautiful, but once the tire is on the rim, I'll never see the inside of it.
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I agree with what you said, the way i see is that alienware is for those who do not have great knowledge in building pc's for gaming but want the power to play great games.

I'll admit, a few years back, i bought a dell pc of their website with a few upgrades such as better cpu, gpu and ram as i wasn't confident in doing it myself nor was i confident in buying parts and putting a sweet rig together.

I have a large number of friends who do not have the knowledge to build a custom pc, let alone know what CPU stands for so for them a prebuilt pc is a option as they dont need to worry about putting parts together, installing an OS, installing drivers, dealing with any BSOD's etc.

So even though we hate alienware's overpriced rigs, there are people to whom alienware is the next best alternative to building a custom pc
 
I said that even in the market for people who don't want to build their own, they still are overpriced. I even pointed that out with price/performance comparisons with other prebuilt companies. I haven't seen an Alienware prebuilt get an award in a very very long time, and you'll find a lot of the reviews say the same thing, overpriced. But who are they to judge right? They only test more prebuilt systems then all of us...
 
I said that even in the market for people who don't want to build their own, they still are overpriced. I even pointed that out with price/performance comparisons with other prebuilt companies. I haven't seen an Alienware prebuilt get an award in a very very long time, and you'll find a lot of the reviews say the same thing, overpriced. But who are they to judge right? They only test more prebuilt systems then all of us...

So? They are overpriced, big deal. Lots of things are overpriced. It doesn't make them crap or useless, just overpriced. If someone is happy with their purchase, who cares? The world is full of uneducated consumers who want something turnkey and don't want to research anything. So what if a company makes money off of that. Even if they aren't winning awards, they still get the job done, albeit at a premium.
 
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