8800GT/Vista/Crysis Problems

[Deshman]

Sorry but you just cannot play Crysis on very high DX10 path in Vista on anything over 1368 x 768 with a GTX. A pair of them struggle at higher resolutions

DX9 High maybe, but not DX10

No, seriously. I thought he was lying too but it was running perfectly fine with a playable FPS. Okay so maybe some 100+ FPS CSS players would complain but it was smooth enough for me to play.

In the end he did end up finishing it on DX9 but that was because DX10 memory leaks were proving to be too much of a hassle.

 

[FarFarAway]

I'm sorry but there was no way in hell he could play on DX10 on very high with a single GTX. I get to play with all types of graphics hardware and have built and re-built gaming PC's for testing and nothing runs Crysis on full at anywhere near that res, unfortunately

 

[Deshman]

I'm sorry but there was no way in hell he could play on DX10 on very high with a single GTX. I get to play with all types of graphics hardware and have built and re-built gaming PC's for testing and nothing runs Crysis on full at anywhere near that res, unfortunately

Well I've just queried him again to be sure and he said that it played on 16xQ AA and i played well but he preferred the look of the game at 2xAA. He told me that in the options you specifically have to tell it to play in DX10 so he made sure it was all Very High in DX10.

This is a PC built by myself that is not OC'd in any way (except factory OC on the BFG). I'm not sure what setups you have tested them on but they must be failing in some crucial way.

 

[darkorb]

ok, i was gonna believe what he was saying of it being playable fps. he could have played it , but im assuming its like 10-15 fps MAX.

but now that he played with 16xQ AA? No freakin way

I cant play all on high with 0 AA, i even get

fps on medium 0aa

 

[Deshman]

ok, i was gonna believe what he was saying of it being playable fps. he could have played it , but im assuming its like 10-15 fps MAX.

but now that he played with 16xQ AA? No freakin way

I cant play all on high with 0 AA, i even get

fps on medium 0aa

But to be fair your rig is a lot slower than his.

 

[darkorb]

i wouldnt say alot, GTX vs. GTS

but thats not the point, what may seem smooth to u, may not seem smooth to us/me. so i think if u get some numbers (his fps) it would make more snese

 

[Deshman]

i wouldnt say alot, GTX vs. GTS, but thats not the point, what may seem smooth to u, may not seem smooth to us/me. so i think if u get some numbers (his fps) it would make more snese

Well it's a bit more than that, CPU, RAM speed, mobo etc, could be anything.

I asked him about numbers but apparently FRAPS has some issue in Crysis whereby once you reach the menu screen the FPS monitor locks at 3fps and then doesn't change. And before you start this isn't a true representation Duke can account for this.

We've been trying to work out what it is that makes this possible but so far we've come up with nothing.

 

[duke]

I've seen it running on aforementioned rig with a frame-rate that seemed more than 'playable' - maybe a loose term but without figures what else is there...

Must admit I didn't myself see the settings set on 'very high' but the visuals were stunning to say the least

 

[FarFarAway]

16 x QAA? In Crysis DX10 on Very High? At 1650 x 1080? Framelock in FRAPS? Rubbish, my FRAPS runs perfectly fine in Crysis under DX10 in Vista

<snip>taken out - don't want to be insulting<snip> that's one of the funniest thing's I've heard for a long time :rollingla

Enjoy the daydreaming lol

I have a Quad here, OC'd to 4GHz with an overclocked single GTX and DDR3 running at PC11000 and I was barely able to scrape enough frames at 1440x 940 (or whatever) to be able to move in Crysis on Very High, with 4 x AA, never mind play the game

Yes the performance will be getting better with new drivers, but come on...

 

[glocktodahead]

Ye crysis rapes all systems that try to play it on very high lol

 

[Deshman]

16 x QAA? In Crysis DX10 on Very High? At 1650 x 1080? Framelock in FRAPS? Rubbish, my FRAPS runs perfectly fine in Crysis under DX10 in Vista

<snip>taken out - don't want to be insulting<snip> that's one of the funniest thing's I've heard for a long time :rollingla

Enjoy the daydreaming lol

I have a Quad here, OC'd to 4GHz with an overclocked single GTX and DDR3 running at PC11000 and I was barely able to scrape enough frames at 1440x 940 (or whatever) to be able to move in Crysis on Very High, with 4 x AA, never mind play the game

Yes the performance will be getting better with new drivers, but come on...

Hey man what can I say? All I know is we have a rig, right here, working that does it.

Have you tried any AMD solutions or have you stuck gleefully to Intel?

Not trying to insult your knowledge as a hardware reviewer, I would be stupid to attempt to but we have something here that we can't explain and you're being less than helpful by denying that it could even possibly in a million years happen.

Now if you really want I can find out myself the reason that Crysis runs so well on this rig and keep it to myself but the whole point in asking on a forum is to reign in the collective experience of the members to help me share the reason. If you don't want to help, fine, but don't keep posting to tell me that something I know is happening isn't possible.

Now does anyone have anything constructive to say?

 

[FarFarAway]

1: Do I use AMD? No, AMD performance is still way below Intel performance, especially a 4GHz Quad.

2: Can't explain yes...you have something unique in the entire world...

3: I highly suspect you won't find the reason

4: Telling you that it cannot happen is about as constructive as it gets to be honest as it's the absolute truth...unless you have magic beta drivers no-one else in the world yet has or a GPU that is sitting in Nvidia's development labs...I don't know, enlighten us.

Hell is FRAPS tells you it's 3FPS then I am more inclined to believe FRAPS.

 

[Deshman]

Even if fraps were correct then it would slide even lower than 3FPS in a firefight situation obviously but it doesn't. You can be lying on the ground staring at a rock really close, looking off a mountain across the bay or even in the menu and FRAPS will report 3FPS. Anyone can tell that the game is running vastly higher framerates than that as it doesn't jump or jagg everywhere like you would be seeing at 3FPS.

AMD's performance may be behind Intel's in the top end but for an Intel sponsored game there were a complete lack of Intel helpers on hand. We noticed this when reading the credits; Intel sent one person to help with a game that is 'Designed for Intel'. AMD sent 3 people. Intel might have it in the power department but they really should learn to play nice with the other boys and develop properly.

Edit: even your new report agrees with above

As I've said before, I have no idea what is causing this but at least I'm attempting to explore possible reasons. You're doing a really good job helping for an admin.

 

[Ham]

Proof tbh. From both sides.

 

[FarFarAway]

What's there to help? I don't believe you, simple as that. Admin, Editor, Reviewer or Director, pick the title...the fact remains that a single GTX will not be playable at 1680 x 1050, Very High DirectX 10 path on Vista....with 16 x QAA. Simple as

I'm not taking offense at your snide rude remarks against me on my forum, so don't take offence to me stating a fact

 

[duke]

keyboard war aside...

fact is the game runs smoothly

the debate is what quality it was running at, and thats what needs to be addressed

 

[FarFarAway]

the debate is what quality it was running at, and thats what needs to be addressed

Werd

 

[Deshman]

Heh we can do this back and forth all day but we'll get nowhere Though tbh if you hadn't pretty much called me a liar outright I wouldn't have said anything untoward at all.

I really had come to expect more from this place than 'If I say it's not possible then it is not possible'. I'm also not the only person to have witnessed this as once I spread the word that I know a PC that can play it on Very High, everyone wanted to see. Duke has already said that he has seen it run smoothly and in discussions between ourselves we both agree it SHOULD NOT be possible. That doesn't change the fact that we've both seen it done.

Edit: In good will I'll see what I can do about getting some sort of recording of this happening and if possible some proof of the rig it's running on. The guy who owns it is often quite busy so it may not be right away.

Super edit: How about if duke films me recording the footage on top of this as bonus proof that we didn't make it up Do we have enough proof at that point?

 

[glocktodahead]

Well the game can run smoothly yes. But run smoothly on the settings claimed doesn't seem likely. Record it and then you can say I told you so but I still have my doubts

 

[Toxcity]

This is stupid.. You guys are arguing about a rig that isn't even yours.

I mean, how do you know it is running "Very High"?

Did he tell you or show you the settings?

I have had friends say, "Oh yeah running this maxed out" then when I sneak a look at the settings they are on medium.. or at a lower res.

Personally, I do need proof in FPS of this. Because franky Kemp is right, there is no doubt about it.

And he is no n00b!