Dawelio
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Dice recently wrote this to me...
Dicehunter said:
Guessing the cooler on it is better than most reference ones, but not the best on the block so to speak?...
295X2 Questions
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Dice recently wrote this to me...
Guessing the cooler on it is better than most reference ones, but not the best on the block so to speak?...
AlienALX
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The cooler was sufficient for the other models it was on. Titan, Titan Black, 770 etc. The problem is that Nvidia have gone for mega clocks on the Titan X to make sure it meets expectation and when clocked to the levels it comes clocked at it gets hot.
Blower coolers are exceptional for getting rid of heat. the issue is that the fan can only be around 3-4 inches. They're not the most noise efficient things either and when they spin fast they do make a ton of noise regardless of what GPU they are fitted to.
It's kinda like the Radeon 290 and 290x stock cards. They both carry a blower fan that's pretty much identical to the Titan X, yet it has to work harder and as such makes a piss load of noise.
On Titan and Titan Black you would hardly ever have to run that fan more than 60% or so. At that speed it doesn't make much noise.
The problem is the heat of the full fat Maxwell. It needs more cooling than just the standard blower cooler. I've seen people having success with both the Arctic Extreme thing and AIOs but from what I've garnered around the net the stock cooler is not sufficient. It gets even worse when you install the hacked bios and start really pushing it hard.
My Titan Blacks are loud. I don't like running them any higher than 80 degrees and in SLI it's really hard keeping the temps down. I have to crank the fans, and when I do they're just as noisy as anything else with a blower fan running at the same sort of speed.
The Titan cooler was amazing at first launch. Nvidia also did a nice job on the Titan Z IMO. However, full fat Maxwell needs more and they have not changed the design, just the colours.
I'd love to get Nvidia and AMD in the same room and bang their bloody heads together. When it comes to GPU cooling both of them are still in 2007 bolting on noisy blower fans. It's high time they invested some cash into new cooler design IMO.
Kaapstad
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Still better than all the rest.
You don't know a lot about the Titan X do you.
I think you need to do a bit more research/testing.
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Dawelio
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Well I'm not an overclocker or anything, I always have everything at stock. Only thing I've "overclocked" is the RAM, from it's stock 1333MHz up to it's specificated 1600MHz.
Other than that, nope... I don't know how to overclock and don't really see a reason for it.
So IF I get an Titan X, I'll just leave it at stock.
You don't know a lot about the Titan X do you.
I think you need to do a bit more research/testing.
What do you mean?...
AlienALX
Well-known member
Still better than all the rest.
You don't know a lot about the Titan X do you.
I think you need to do a bit more research/testing.
Every review I read said the card throttles and I've seen plenty of people saying the same on OCUK.
So I've done plenty of research thanks.
Kaapstad
Active member
You obviously have not
What is the stock clock for a TX again ?
I don't think I have seen any benches where the cards have dropped below the stock clock.
You do realise you can raise the temp limit and the cards will boost higher too, this is design feature so you can decide how you want your card to run.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Ya because reviews on a retailer site is a reliable source lol
Plus arguing with Kaapstad isn't a great idea.. he owns 4 Titan X's if i remember right. he pretty much bench's for a living. If there was a problem he would let you all know. He has data to back everything up basically. Hell look at the review for OC3D. It didn't throttle there either. Hell both the Core/Memory in the overclocking section of the review was damn near a 200mhz OC on both.. on a reference cooler. So i guess you just didn't read this review.. as it doesn't say it throttles
Dawelio
Active member
Ya because reviews on a retailer site is a reliable source lol
Plus arguing with Kaapstad isn't a great idea.. he owns 4 Titan X's if i remember right. he pretty much bench's for a living. If there was a problem he would let you all know. He has data to back everything up basically. Hell look at the review for OC3D. It didn't throttle there either. Hell both the Core/Memory in the overclocking section of the review was damn near a 200mhz OC on both.. on a reference cooler. So i guess you just didn't read this review.. as it doesn't say it throttles
^ Boom +1 on that one, so in da face!
Kaapstad
Active member
I only bench stuff for fun but I do it quite a bit.
It is nice to find out how things work for yourself rather than just reading it from a review where often it is tested in totally in appropriate setups.
There is one website (not this one) that springs to mind which has done several quad GPU setups recently in totally CPU bottlenecked setups. These people could not even bench a tramp in the park.
It is nice to find out how things work for yourself rather than just reading it from a review where often it is tested in totally in appropriate setups.
There is one website (not this one) that springs to mind which has done several quad GPU setups recently in totally CPU bottlenecked setups. These people could not even bench a tramp in the park.
The card does not throttle - it just doesnt overclock itself as high as it would if the cooling was better, VERY different. Its roughly 30% more cores and that relates perfectly into 30% more power usage too. If it did have better cooling it would make better use of the GPU boost2 feature.
AMD cards when they 'throttle' go below stock clocks. The TX doesnt its ALWAYS boosting past the standard boost clocks so this isnt / cant be throttlling. If you wound the fan up it would boost more because thats how GPU Boost works.
Lets everyone remember this is a discussion - if a member doesnt fully grasps something help them dont attack them. This stands for everyone because some of the posts in this thread from both sides have been aggressive and Im fed up with it. Play nice.
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Dawelio
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AlienALX
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Whatever it is that the card does it still runs hot.
I'm sticking by what I said - the card is a hot bugger and the cooler isn't sufficient and needed to be revised.
Remember we are talking about a card that costs £900+. Not a £400 AMD card. Everything about it should be perfect and there shouldn't be anything left to question.
So I'm sticking by what I said. The cooler should be better and should have been upgraded so that the card can overclock itself/not throttle or what not.
Ya because reviews on a retailer site is a reliable source lol
Plus arguing with Kaapstad isn't a great idea.. he owns 4 Titan X's if i remember right. he pretty much bench's for a living. If there was a problem he would let you all know. He has data to back everything up basically. Hell look at the review for OC3D. It didn't throttle there either. Hell both the Core/Memory in the overclocking section of the review was damn near a 200mhz OC on both.. on a reference cooler. So i guess you just didn't read this review.. as it doesn't say it throttles
I know Kaap far better than you seem to realise. Just because he has four Titan X does not make him some sort of knowledge god that I have to kneel before.
On the contrary, people like Kaap I usually completely ignore. They're usually the "OMG Quad SLI is awesome !" type. Thankfully Kaap isn't but I usually tend to ignore the type who have more money than sense and think that running three or four GPUs is a good idea and comes back with good yields.
Edit to add.
If the card comes with a boost setting and it gets too hot to be able to meet that boost setting then it is throttling.
I understand perfectly well how it works and what is happening, I've got about seven Nvidia GPUs myself that boost.
I just feel that for £900 + it should not do that and the cooler should have been revised and improved to stop it happening. That's all
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Dawelio
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Whatever it is that the card does it still runs hot.
I'm sticking by what I said - the card is a hot bugger and the cooler isn't sufficient and needed to be revised.
Remember we are talking about a card that costs £900+. Not a £400 AMD card. Everything about it should be perfect and there shouldn't be anything left to question.
So I'm sticking by what I said. The cooler should be better and should have been upgraded so that the card can overclock itself/not throttle or what not.
I know Kaap far better than you seem to realise. Just because he has four Titan X does not make him some sort of knowledge god that I have to kneel before.
On the contrary, people like Kaap I usually completely ignore. They're usually the "OMG Quad SLI is awesome !" type. Thankfully Kaap isn't but I usually tend to ignore the type who have more money than sense and think that running three or four GPUs is a good idea and comes back with good yields.
Edit to add.
If the card comes with a boost setting and it gets too hot to be able to meet that boost setting then it is throttling.
I understand perfectly well how it works and what is happening, I've got about seven Nvidia GPUs myself that boost.
I just feel that for £900 + it should not do that and the cooler should have been revised and improved to stop it happening. That's all
I must admit... this was pretty well said as well dude
VT, the card CAN overclock itself and it DOES NOT throttle. If you are uncomfortable with the temps (which you shouldn't be, as that's how its designed), you can simply set a different temperature target (or whatever the proper term is) and it will stay at or above stock clocks.
The card is DESIGNED to run as fast as it can at those temps. You can actually change the temp that you want it to run at and it will either increase the fan speed, reduce the overclock or both.
The boost is always met - GPUboost goes PAST that. if you look at GPUZ the boost is listed. Open a second one and flick it to the sensors tab - click on the clock speed till "max" is shown and then run some benches. Thats how you see how far past the normal boost its going.
Youve got an Nvidia - try it!
Of course its going to be warms theres 30% more under the hood than the 980! but its ALWAYS going past the listed boost. Youre making some valid debate points but youre obviously not realising this crucial point fella.
The boost is always met - GPUboost goes PAST that. if you look at GPUZ the boost is listed. Open a second one and flick it to the sensors tab - click on the clock speed till "max" is shown and then run some benches. Thats how you see how far past the normal boost its going.
Youve got an Nvidia - try it!
Of course its going to be warms theres 30% more under the hood than the 980! but its ALWAYS going past the listed boost. Youre making some valid debate points but youre obviously not realising this crucial point fella.
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falkonIndian
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Am I the only one who finds the Titan x "cheaper" than the original Titan? I'm saying this in response to the point "At 900 pounds this must be perfect".
The thing is, Nvidia wanted this money for the original Titan like 2.5 years ago. when you account inflation, the dollar exchange rate increase, 12 gb vram and the price of their own titan z, I can help but think they priced this card aggressively and not at a point where its expected to achieve perfection. its expensive objectively yes, but from what I understand, its a better than having gtx 980 sli which many people have considering its single gpu and all. There can then be imperfections and minor artifacts and a bit of cooler noise and all that. I mean, in this case, it can be forgiven.
before you call me rich, I'm not and I'll have to resort to selling really dodgy stuff to be able to buy two of these.
The thing is, Nvidia wanted this money for the original Titan like 2.5 years ago. when you account inflation, the dollar exchange rate increase, 12 gb vram and the price of their own titan z, I can help but think they priced this card aggressively and not at a point where its expected to achieve perfection. its expensive objectively yes, but from what I understand, its a better than having gtx 980 sli which many people have considering its single gpu and all. There can then be imperfections and minor artifacts and a bit of cooler noise and all that. I mean, in this case, it can be forgiven.
before you call me rich, I'm not and I'll have to resort to selling really dodgy stuff to be able to buy two of these.
barnsley
born in a.....
I understand what you mean and I kinda agree. I think it seems better value as there are more games (such as GTA V) that'll use the vram. I still think its not great value as a single card (two or more makes more sense imo) and there is no way it can really be used as a decent compute card now they've got rid of certain features.
AlienALX
Well-known member
No its the same price and more due to price gouging.
The Titan Black was much cheaper, I paid £699 each for mine at launch.
Nvidia are just taking the piss as usual and when you take the piss you'd better get it right.
Titan was perfect and when a friend of mine explained DP and what it did I actually came around and thought that in the right context Titan was actually pretty damn near perfect. Titan X however? I just don't see it.
I'll wait for the 6gb one.
The Titan Black was much cheaper, I paid £699 each for mine at launch.
Nvidia are just taking the piss as usual and when you take the piss you'd better get it right.
Titan was perfect and when a friend of mine explained DP and what it did I actually came around and thought that in the right context Titan was actually pretty damn near perfect. Titan X however? I just don't see it.
I'll wait for the 6gb one.
Dawelio
Active member
I think it's funny that this thread is for questions regarding the AMD 295X2, but has gone over to NVIDIA Titan X and Titan in general lol.
Nice hijack everyone! :lol:
Why not just start a Titan thread instead, to keep this one to it's subject... I'll even start it, even though it might do any justice though
Nice hijack everyone! :lol:
Why not just start a Titan thread instead, to keep this one to it's subject... I'll even start it, even though it might do any justice though
I love 295X2's in a special way that Titans will never understand. It's all about that length and that POWER!Oh gawd don't be starting that!
JR
