1st Haswell Post (Predictions go here)

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Lauralarry

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Please don't hold back, feel free to post your predictions here.

As the hype of ivybridge is dying down it's time to look forward to haswell, I'm going to post my predictions for next years 4th Generation Core procesors.

- They will be 22nm

- I'm predicting that they will be socket 2011

- And there will be up to 6 core 22nm processors

- I don't think they'll go lower than 22nm until 2014 when broadwell comes out

- by then PCI 3.0 will be a must

Intel is "Holding" the patents for DDR4 RAM & DIM slots and has yet to release the technology behind that will we see it with haswell?

also can we be looking at Higher ram frequencies like 3200mhz supported? IMAGINE.

I think it's obvious that there will be i3/i5/i7's and even pentiums on LGA 2011 because 1 it's a biger socket, smaller architecture more space makes more power, Less heat, I mean could this be overclocker heaven we have in our sight

Then these Questions I leave with you

How powerful do you think a 22nm i5 on a 2011 socket be?

Do you think any of these predictions are spot on?

Is ivybridge worth it over what haswell will bring?

Peace - Larry
 
I agree to the most of your predictions.

Except that haswell will be on a 2011 socket, because the 2011 is for professional usage.While haswell will aim on the Mainstream users. But there maybe sometime will be Haswell-Extreme series which could be for 2011.

Since haswell should be a "tock", I hope that it is going to be much more powerful and easier to oc than ivy-bridge.
 
might wanna get facts straight before proclaiming the socket cause it aint gonna be 2011 socket it'll be a new socket 1150 I truely hate these kind of speculation posts as it always goes beyond beleif. Like for instance IB was supposed to blow away SB and everyone was like dude if ur in no hurry wait for IB it;ll be so much faster than SB. Well it is a tad faster but not what ppl were speculating. And yes there are some useful changes that came about with it when using a Z77 board. But was it worth making folks wait?? I dont think so. If I was buying today would I get it yes in a heartbeat. If I was buying last month no i would of gone the way i did. Knowing what tick and tock are for lol.

Taken from Wiki

Features carried over from Ivy Bridge
  • A 22 nm manufacturing process.
  • 3D tri-gate transistors (Ivy Bridge processors and onwards).
  • A 14-stage pipeline (since the Core microarchitecture).[sup][citation needed][/sup]
  • Mainstream up to quad-core.[sup][5][/sup]
  • Native support for dual channel DDR3.[sup][6][/sup]
  • 32KB data + 32KB instruction L1 cache per core.[sup][7][/sup]
  • 256KB L2 data cache per core[sup][7][/sup] and up to 32MB L3 cache shared by all cores.[sup][8][/sup]

Confirmed features


Expected features[sup][2][/sup]

  • 32 nm PCH.[sup][13][/sup]
  • A new cache design.
  • support for Thunderbolt technology.[sup][14][/sup]
  • There will be three versions of the integrated GPU: GT1, GT2, and GT3. According to vr-zone, the fastest version (GT3) will have 20 execution units (EU).[sup][15][/sup] Another source, SemiAccurate, however says that the GT3 will have 40 EUs[sup][16][/sup] with an accompanying 64MB cache on an interposer.[sup][17][/sup] Haswell's predecessor, Ivy Bridge, has a maximum of 16 EUs.
  • New advanced power-saving system.
  • Base clock (BClk) increase to 266 MHz.[sup][citation needed][/sup]
  • 128 bytes cache line.[sup][citation needed][/sup]
  • Execution trace cache will be included L2 caching design.[sup][citation needed][/sup]
  • Fully integrated voltage regulator, thereby moving another component from the motherboard onto the CPU.[sup][18][/sup]
  • 25, 37, 47, 57W TDP mobile processors.[sup][5][/sup]
  • 77/65/55/45/35W and ~ 100W+(extreme edition) TDP desktop processors.[sup][5][/sup]
  • 15W TDP processors for the Ultrabook platform (multi-chip package like Westmere).[sup][[/sup]
 
S_I_N said:
might wanna get facts straight before proclaiming the socket cause it aint gonna be 2011 socket it'll be a new socket 1150 I truely hate these kind of speculation posts as it always goes beyond beleif. Like for instance IB was supposed to blow away SB and everyone was like dude if ur in no hurry wait for IB it;ll be so much faster than SB. Well it is a tad faster but not what ppl were speculating. And yes there are some useful changes that came about with it when using a Z77 board. But was it worth making folks wait?? I dont think so. If I was buying today would I get it yes in a heartbeat. If I was buying last month no i would of gone the way i did. Knowing what tick and tock are for lol.

Taken from Wiki

Features carried over from Ivy Bridge
  • A 22 nm manufacturing process.
  • 3D tri-gate transistors (Ivy Bridge processors and onwards).
  • A 14-stage pipeline (since the Core microarchitecture).[sup][citation needed][/sup]
  • Mainstream up to quad-core.[sup][5][/sup]
  • Native support for dual channel DDR3.[sup][6][/sup]
  • 32KB data + 32KB instruction L1 cache per core.[sup][7][/sup]
  • 256KB L2 data cache per core[sup][7][/sup] and up to 32MB L3 cache shared by all cores.[sup][8][/sup]

Confirmed features


Expected features[sup][2][/sup]

  • 32 nm PCH.[sup][13][/sup]
  • A new cache design.
  • support for Thunderbolt technology.[sup][14][/sup]
  • There will be three versions of the integrated GPU: GT1, GT2, and GT3. According to vr-zone, the fastest version (GT3) will have 20 execution units (EU).[sup][15][/sup] Another source, SemiAccurate, however says that the GT3 will have 40 EUs[sup][16][/sup] with an accompanying 64MB cache on an interposer.[sup][17][/sup] Haswell's predecessor, Ivy Bridge, has a maximum of 16 EUs.
  • New advanced power-saving system.
  • Base clock (BClk) increase to 266 MHz.[sup][citation needed][/sup]
  • 128 bytes cache line.[sup][citation needed][/sup]
  • Execution trace cache will be included L2 caching design.[sup][citation needed][/sup]
  • Fully integrated voltage regulator, thereby moving another component from the motherboard onto the CPU.[sup][18][/sup]
  • 25, 37, 47, 57W TDP mobile processors.[sup][5][/sup]
  • 77/65/55/45/35W and ~ 100W+(extreme edition) TDP desktop processors.[sup][5][/sup]
  • 15W TDP processors for the Ultrabook platform (multi-chip package like Westmere).[sup][[/sup]
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At least they are increasing the bclk! I hope x58 overclocking is coming back!
 
Firat said:
At least they are increasing the bclk! I hope x58 overclocking is coming back!
Click to expand...

yeah I did see that but it may still be tied into the pci-e lanes as they try and move more and more on die versus mobo. in the old days the pci-e/AGP lanes were on the mobo same with X58 and the north bridge south bridge setups, now its all cpu controlled. So adjusting the blck or FSB affects those as well. And they dont normally play nice when they get outta whack. But this is what me thinks lol its actually upped to 133 which is still upped. but it doubles it like in days past. where 200fsb was actually doubled 100 and 400 doubled 200. it did have a performance increase but when you adjusted it more like with the AMD side of things it can be a substantual performance boost, and we all know AMD needs it
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I'm under the impression that the core count will go up to 6, maybe even 8. Think I heard a rumour that the Haswell "E" chips will have 10 cores.

Things I expect to see are all SATA ports to be SATA3/6Gb, full USB3 controllers on chip, more PCIe lanes. Possibly DDR4? Have heard rumours that it's incoming, but no idea when.

Thunderbolt is pretty much guaranteed. Someone said IB has support for it, but it's not part of the Z77 spec. Not sure if that's true or not.
 
What a useless thread. Speculating is pointless, its not out for ages... Ivy has only just come out and 90% of what was speculated didn't come true.
 
will be looking forward to the next generation processor, what it maybe.

thanks for the heads up and quantiified information.

airdeano
 
The drive in the last few generations has been performance per watt. pc cpu chips are a small subset of a larger market so that drive makes sense. we want longer lasting more powerful phones, ipads, laptops, etc. As process shrinks get more expensive there will be fewer options in chip styles ie high performance and low power.

with that all in mind they are trying to get power efficiency's by moving more and more onto the cpu. my prediction is that there will be only marginal gains in general single threaded performance 5-10%, large gains in performance per watt of the total system and the new cpu extensions will provide large performance gains for very specific applications. also the new chips will really shine for highly multi threaded applications due to transactional memory. I believe that much seems very likely. Beyond that your guess is as good as mine
 
The only thing missing here in this topic is:

-I ​​am interested in building a new rig should I wait for Haswell or buy Ivy Bridge!?

LOL
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