1366 or 1155

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Gwynbleidd

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Hi guys!

I'm planning to change my computer soon, as it is it still keeps working fine but seeing my GPU listed in the "minimum requirements" of the new games makes me want more power.

I suppose I could just change the GPU but at the same time my girlfriend needs something really good for Autocad so I started checking the various options and can't make the main decision: LGA 1366 or LGA 1155?

The former would give triple channel memory which would be good for Autocad while the latter would enable the new i7-2600K which seems way better for gaming so...

For the LGA 1366 I was thinking Asus Rampage III Black Edition paired with a i7-950 and 24 Gb DDR3 Corsair Dominator GT (or Vengeance, it will depend on the supplier) and an Asus GTX590 for graphics.

For the LGA 1155 I was thinking Asus Maximus IV Extreme paired with a i7-2600K and 16Gb DDR3 Corsair Dominator GT, again with the Asus GTX590 for graphics.

In both cases all withing an Enermax Spine Rex with an Enermax Revolution85+ 1200W.

Most of the stuff I can get from a supplier of the office I'm working in, so I wouldn't pay the VAT tax and save a lot of money but at the same time I'm tied to certain brands (not that I mind Asus stuff, never had problems with them).

Which of these systems would be better both for gaming* AND extensive Autocad use, considering I'm not interested in OC?

Thanks!

P.S. Hoping afterwards she'll leave me the comp for gaming.
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Personally for upgradeability sandybridge is the newer socket, so it should last longer and the 2600K comes out on top in most benchmarks against the 950. I don't think you would notice a huge difference in either scenario when that much RAM and a 590 are involved. But i'd choose the 2600K because it's newer and faster in most benchmarks, and it's easier to overclock.
 
I work as a Structural Engineer in small office and Autocad is one of my main software I use at work. You do not need anything special to get it to work smoothly to be honest. The machine I have in my profile is my entertainment one but for work purposes I use i3 540 with old 8800GTS 320mb and 4 gb of ram. I use two screens and run few other applications same time (structural design packages mostly+music player, mozilla etc) most of the time 2 Cad clients as well and this setup absolutely kills it without a problem.

If it was me I would go for a Sandybridge build simply because it's a newer socket with future updates coming.

If you are not planning to overclock there is little to none sense to get ROG motherboards. I say go for the P67 Sabertooth, the review you can find on this website, and this motherboard offers more than you will ever need.

As I stated before, my i3 540 is killing the AutoCAD so I5 2500k (which I have in entertainment machine) will be an absolute overkill as well and for games I5 is just perfect.

Regarding the ram.....seriously I do not see any reason to use anything above 4gb unless it's for server purposes.

I could whine about the gpu choice (since I am not a fan of dual gpus) and overpriced Enermax power supply but I guess that's a personal choice.

Past few days I've been quite critical regarding some new builds posts. I want to highlight that ultimately it's entirely up to you how much you will spend on your machine and I could not care less; although I am happy to give an advice which could save few hundred quid and offer same end result. Whether you choose to use the advice or not good luck with your new build.
 
in that level you wont aprecciate too much diference, it would be just price-performance, or upgradeability. both configurations will fly with anything you run at them.
 
You'd save a lot going to sandy bridge. Enough to add some serious power. Plus 16gb is more then enough for your needs. And the rampage black edition is a HUGE waste.. if you want onboard options go the assassin.. or since you are running one card the sniper... there's 250 dollars right there... enabling you to get a 970 six core...
 
Junglerog said:
I work as a Structural Engineer in small office and Autocad is one of my main software I use at work. You do not need anything special to get it to work smoothly to be honest. The machine I have in my profile is my entertainment one but for work purposes I use i3 540 with old 8800GTS 320mb and 4 gb of ram. I use two screens and run few other applications same time (structural design packages mostly+music player, mozilla etc) most of the time 2 Cad clients as well and this setup absolutely kills it without a problem.

If it was me I would go for a Sandybridge build simply because it's a newer socket with future updates coming.

If you are not planning to overclock there is little to none sense to get ROG motherboards. I say go for the P67 Sabertooth, the review you can find on this website, and this motherboard offers more than you will ever need.

As I stated before, my i3 540 is killing the AutoCAD so I5 2500k (which I have in entertainment machine) will be an absolute overkill as well and for games I5 is just perfect.

Regarding the ram.....seriously I do not see any reason to use anything above 4gb unless it's for server purposes.

I could whine about the gpu choice (since I am not a fan of dual gpus) and overpriced Enermax power supply but I guess that's a personal choice.

Past few days I've been quite critical regarding some new builds posts. I want to highlight that ultimately it's entirely up to you how much you will spend on your machine and I could not care less; although I am happy to give an advice which could save few hundred quid and offer same end result. Whether you choose to use the advice or not good luck with your new build.

As for the main thing... I thought Autocad would ask for more RAM, most documents I found around the web mention that as a useful thing but in fact they never mention HOW much RAM. If these were old info's then 4 Gb would have been the intended quantity.

Thanks. ^^
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I guess some choices are because I tend not to change single elements during the years, opting instead for an overkill configuration that will last as long as possible.

I realize ROG motherboards are a bit wasted without OC... at the same time they're amazing for what regards the quality of the components (I'm a bit Ronald Regan for hardware choices, if a formula works keep using it) however you're right, it's a lot of money that could be used for other stuff.

The GPU I'm still thinking about, I can't say wheter I am a fan of dual solutions since so far I never had one. The only thing I'm sure is I want only nVidia's GPUs while avoiding like hell mobos with nVidia chipsets (last time I had one it went bananas with the GPU). The power supply is mostly because I plan several HDD and having more than one's needs is better than risking having less, also I'm also thinking about a SLI configuration with the GTX 580 (the 590 is quite new so we'll see how it will perform in the meantime, other people direct experiences are useful to decide a purchase).
 
Personally if i was you and money was no object, i'd go for:

  • i7 2600K
  • Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD7
  • 2xMSI Twin frozer III POWER GTX570's
  • Corsair AX1200W- PSU (Maybe overkill but you can keep it for a long time)
  • 2x Mushkin copperhead 8GB (though 8GB would be perfectly fine, 16 is overkill

(should look pretty sick all black and gold, also use the money saved on the 570's to get a nice 80GB ssd for OS and games)

If you're getting it all through work and are tied to ASUS:

  • Swap the board for the Z68 Rampage whenever it appears
  • And get 2 of the asus overclocked GTX 570's
  • I'd also look for a silver, preferably gold rated PSU when putting this much kit in a rig.

The case in entirely down your personal preference though i'd look for something big and with plenty of air flow to keep everything as cool as possible.
 
Ok, I've been reading a bit around and so far I understood that (please correct me if I'm wrong):

- LGA 1155 and LGA 1366 aren't that different, the former allows for good OC, the latter gives triple channel RAM, however someone with an i7-950 wouldn't necessarily have to upgrade to 2600K;

- the BIG change will be the new Sandy Bridge E series (LGA 2011) with 8 cores, 16 thread and quad-channel RAM.

Sooo... basically this could mean the LGA 1155 won't be THAT good for future upgrades since the better cores will require a completely different mobo (same if you have an LGA 1366 really). The only basic upgrade between LGA 1155 and LGA 1366 would regard the GPU and both systems use PCI-Express so no real difference there. In other words my original question is just a matter of preferences...

Or did I get that completely wrong?
 
As far as i am aware, the lineup will be as it was before but the mainstream socket will be 1155 and the enthusiast or E series will be socket 2011 (as opposed to 1156 and 1366). So there should be another CPU coming for the 1155 socket at some point in the future, but don't hold me to that.

I guess it is personal preference but the 1155 is newer tech and it slightly faster, so personally i see no competition between the two unless you're looking at the hex core

970 with it's 12 threads, but even then the 2600K is faster in games. However i believe but the 970 would be quicker in CAD (slightly) due to it's 6 cores (12 threads), you have to bare in mind that these differences would be marginal as CAD isn't exactly the biggest resource hog.

I'd go with which is cheaper and newer tech, so sandy bridge.
 
You're probably right Pat and Junglerog...

Right now I'm checking with the office suppliers what can I get (less stuff I get from outside the office less money I'll have to spend).

So far I'm thinking about:

i7-2600K

Asus P8Z68-V-PRO

GPU Asus, either GTX 580 or GTX 590 (quite probably the former but I'm still thinking about it)

Corsair Vengeance DDR3 (CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9), 4x4Gb for a total of 16 Gb (unfortunately they don't carry the Dominator GT series and the standard Dominator they have would allow no more than 8 Gb RAM)

Coolermaster Haf X full tower case

PSU Coolermaster SilentPro Gold (either 1000W or 1200W, depending on the availability at the moment I'll place my order)

1x SATA 3.0 2Tb Western Digital HD for OS

3x SATA 2.0 2Tb Western Digital HD for games/storing

1x SATA 2.0 Blu-Ray LG
 
Toms hardware did a review of the new Z68 chipset today. I'd check it out before you do anything. Basically a H67 and P67 combined. I haven't checked if it's better, but I'd atleast do some research into it
 
I'd definitely think about getting a ~100GB SSD for your OS boot drive and your most used programs, you'll see a massive speed gain. As for your harddrives i'd look at the samsung spinpoint F3's if you can get hold of them, they're good drives. But everything else seems fine.

*also i'd go for the 580 with the intent of buying another one further down the line.
 
Endzy said:
Toms hardware did a review of the new Z68 chipset today. I'd check it out before you do anything. Basically a H67 and P67 combined. I haven't checked if it's better, but I'd atleast do some research into it
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Did that Endzy, actually didn't see anything amazing about it - for now the SSD drives are a bit too steep here in Italy so the main advantage of the board will be a future upgrade.

However... just saw the post about the Maximus IV Z68 and since my plans aren't for a new computer right now but in a couple of months I think I'll wait a bit for that board to come out.
 
Pat123 said:
I'd definitely think about getting a ~100GB SSD for your OS boot drive and your most used programs, you'll see a massive speed gain. As for your harddrives i'd look at the samsung spinpoint F3's if you can get hold of them, they're good drives. But everything else seems fine.

*also i'd go for the 580 with the intent of buying another one further down the line.
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Yeah, was thinking the same about the GPU... the GTX 590 sounds great (and let's face the truth, who doesn't like to boast about an overkill comp?) but on the other hand it's too new and multi-GPU, a combination in the past has resulted in some cursing. As long as they won't completely change the GPU sockets I may consider saving now to spend more later, all my systems were always built around mobo+CPU and only changing the former resulted in a massive upgrade of everything else, OS included.
 
Gwynbleidd said:
Yeah, was thinking the same about the GPU... the GTX 590 sounds great (and let's face the truth, who doesn't like to boast about an overkill comp?) but on the other hand it's too new and multi-GPU, a combination in the past has resulted in some cursing. As long as they won't completely change the GPU sockets I may consider saving now to spend more later, all my systems were always built around mobo+CPU and only changing the former resulted in a massive upgrade of everything else, OS included.
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GPU sockets won't change for a fair while i wouldn't have thought, they may increase the bandwidth but i don't think the actually socket would change. I'd love a GTX 590 but unless you've more money than sense it's not really a credible option, especially two of them. If you're wanting the best board for sli then the UD7 is the way forward as both the lanes are x16 whereas the asus option is x8x8, i don't think the difference is huge mind you, not with current tech.

As said before though, if you can get hold of an SSD cheap through work i definitely would.
 
dont get a 590
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ive seen 560s sli beat in some games lol

i say a 580 or 2 lol

and definitely get an ssd the caching looks promising form what ive seen
 
Gwynbleidd said:
Did that Endzy, actually didn't see anything amazing about it - for now the SSD drives are a bit too steep here in Italy so the main advantage of the board will be a future upgrade.

However... just saw the post about the Maximus IV Z68 and since my plans aren't for a new computer right now but in a couple of months I think I'll wait a bit for that board to come out.
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Yeah I read the full review and it didn't turn out to be what I expected
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Yeah SSDs are pretty tough on the wallet, but they do work a charm. Well I look forward to your build with that board if you go ahead with it
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I think it comes down to what you want from your PC if you are running applications that require 6 cores and a extreme over-clock then 1366 is the way to go if your using not as demanding applications but want a easy over-clock aswell as the latest technology then 1155 would be the way to go.
 
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