Who can help me successfully overclock this rig?

ok mate, sorry we couldnt help more,hope you can stick around the forums tho and offer your advice/opinions to others
 
Hi Mate! Welcome to SX!

Now let's get down to business...

I hate to break it to you but you can overclock your computer! You must not give up. Overclocking was not meant to be easy. I overclocked my 2.4C (the best chip to overclock in my opinion) to 3.5ghz. It can be done!

I must say, I'm really upset! I spent hours writing a guide, got 10 reps for it, and it wasn't even made a sticky. My guide should have been the first suggestion here for the fella's overclock. Anyway, here's a link to what should have been a sticky. I know the thread needs more information, if someone with an OCZ motherboard can give me all the BIOS settings they have (OCZ's BIOS' seem to be the most comprehensive when it comes to settings) i can make a list of what settings each motherboard should have set things to. I left out spread spectrum, agp/pci lock, stuff like that.

FYI: on the 865 chipset, Performance Mode (PAT) is equivalent to MAT on the 875 chipset. What does this mean? With performance mode set to turbo your memory bandwidth benchmarks will increase significantly. If you want to know more about MAT search for "---"MAT AND 875"---" in google. As a rule of thumb, you generally want to turn this off (SLOW) when overclocking as it tends to cause problems but when overclocked correctly the

NOTE: Performance Mode does not automatically overclock the computer in any way, it merely mimics MAT.

If you want to buy some ram I would recommend the ADAT Vitesta PC4000. The northwoods (D1 stepping in particular) are FSB sensitive and you'll be lucky if you get your northwood up to 250 FSB much less over 250 (especially D1 2.8C's -- they are the worst overclockers).

What do you need to know?

A good PSU is crucial when overclocking. I wouldn't even attempt to overclock a computer that didn't have a sturdy PSU. A PSU is the heart of your computer and bad PSU is like a bad heart with clogged arteries. Not to mention, if your PSU takes a shit, it will wipe it's ass with your computer (in other words, if it has a bad capacitor with bad overvoltage protection, should your PSU fail, it will kill your whole entire computer, wiping out all of your expensive components. If you don't want to replace most, if not all of your computer, it would behoove you to buy a new PSU.

What do you need to do?

If your tight for money, go out and buy this PSU. It will be the best buy you ever spend for your money. If you can afford it, I would buy this PSU. If you have the cash, I can recommend some OCZ and PC POWER AND COOLING PSU's that will also treat you well. You'd be surprised how many problems a bad PSU can cause. For one, when a PSU heats up, it generates less power -- most PSU's on the market do not put out the power they specify on their websites. That's why its imperative that you spend your money on a good PSU. It's the most important part in your whole computer. The only way you can trust a PSU like POWMAX is if you own a digital multimeter and you've tested the rail strength at load, which is next to impossible to do. The PSU's I just picked out are a good bang for the buck.

So what do we need to know first?

What stepping is your processor?

230 seems to be the limit for D1 stepping 2.8C's. I've seen guys with brand name PSU's, top of the line PC4000 memory, and all the right settings get stuck at ~230. The only people I've seen who didn't have trouble breaking the ~230 barrier was the guys who owned M0 stepping 2.8C's. The M0 is the best stepping for a northwood processor.

Do you need to run all four sticks of memory?

I noticed you are running 4 sticks of memory, if i recall correctly, each stick is 10W of power a piece. Not to mention your video card requires over 65-110 (I've read that the 6800GT takes different wattages in different places, your best bet is emailing BFG and asking them how much it takes yourself) watt's of power (I think). And top of that, you're raising all your voltages, which requires more power.

volts * amperage = wattage

The point being, if you can't run out and buy new memory and a new PSU, the first thing you want to do is remove everything in your computer that's power hungry. This means replace your videocard with an old cheap card and take out two of the four sticks of ram. disconnect any unneeded extra hard drives/optical drives.

Keep in mind that even though you're doing this, if your PSU rails fall too low under load, you'll see errors in prime or any other program, it's imperative that your PSU handle itself correctly under load to prohibit any errors (point being, if you're having trouble overclocking, buy a new PSU before you buy anything, you can always live with the memory you have).

Now that you've removed the power hungry components. I would ask around on the MSI forums to see if anyone with your motherboard has a BIOS that allows them to change the CAS latency to 3 and if so, download and install that BIOS.

Now do what my guide says. Seeing that you cannot lower the multiplier on intel based systems, drop the ram to 333mhz and raise the FSB in incraments of 5. This shouldn't give you any errors in memtest seeing that your FSB is below the stock FSB the memory is rated at. If it does give you an error, raise the chipset (AGP voltage), keep the VDIMM stock and the memory timings stock.

You'll probably top out at ~230FSB if you have a D1 stepping processor. You'll notice this when going from 220 (error free) ->225 (error filled). That's when you go back to 220 and raise the FSB in incraments of 1 until you get errors. Note that you might see the errors disappear by raising the VCore. Just keep an eye on temperatures when stress testing. I've done all the reading I can and I have yet to find a designated max die temperature for the northwood processors. My guess is, keep your VCore within reason and you should be okay. Note: I was able to get my 2.4C at 3.0ghz with a .125v increase in VCore (and if I recall correctly, the bump wasn't even needed, i just did it to ensure stability). So if you go from 1.525->1.575 you should be good to go.

Once you've hit a stable FSB, (if you can hit a stable FSB with your PSU), try and bring the DDR clock back to 400mhz (bringing your memory to double your FSB speed (1:1)) and see if you get any memtest errors. If yes, lower the timings and try again. If still yes, raise the VDIMM and try again. If still yes, lower the ddr clock to 333 and be happy with your increase in processor speed until you can afford some Vitesta Ram.

If you have any questions, just email me.

After
 
memory settings

Set your burst length to 4.

when you drop your DDR clock to 333 initially, you would need a FSB of 250 to make your memory run at 200mhz, so you shouldn't need to run memtest but assuming you do and you're willing to test your memory for a day or so then i would run memtest everytime you play with the FSB (which is a real bitch). if that doesn't work, when you run into errors, if playing with voltages doesn't help when you run into errors below 250FSB, then run memtest.
 
food for thought

I was just thinking about something and you mentioned your computer shuts off after gaming for an hour and a half. This definetely sounds like a PSU problem to me. Maybe it's losing too much power under load and everything crashes or its overheating and needs to reboot.
 
Well GD...

Well crap rollercam, with all that info and stuff to try, I have to say you got me very interested again. I frickin' hate to give up, and desperately want to kick this computer's ass around to show it who's boss - I'm tired of it not doing what I tell it to do! :D

Let me go back to my baselines, and I'll start again from square 1. Give me a little time, and I'll post back my specs...
 
swambast said:
Well crap rollercam, with all that info and stuff to try, I have to say you got me very interested again. I frickin' hate to give up, and desperately want to kick this computer's ass around to show it who's boss - I'm tired of it not doing what I tell it to do! :D

Let me go back to my baselines, and I'll start again from square 1. Give me a little time, and I'll post back my specs...

Cool. Good luck mate! :)
 
New Results:

Only an initial test, but WOW am I impressed. Look at the DDR Clock speed of 444Mhz holding steady after changing the DRAM timings! Prime ran 1 hr 31 mins stable. Motherboard Monitor reports highest temp under load at 48C on the CPU.

What should I do next? Run Prime95 over night, or MemTest86, or what...?

Also, once again strange shit on another test I was running: when setting the FSB to 228 giving me a DDR clock memory of 456 - WinXp, CPUZ and SiSoft Sandra all report the processor as 1.6Ghz but the BIOS sees it as 3.19Ghz. I still have not been able to solve that mystery as of yet...

TEST 3 RESULTS/SETTINGS

CPU SPEED (GHz with 14x multiplier) 3.11

ADVANCED CHIPSET FEATURES

DRAM Timing Setting…

Configure SDRAM Timing by SPD Disabled

CAS# Latency 3 (2.5 is the default/baseline setting)

RAS# Precharge 4 (2 is the default/baseline setting)

RAS# to CAS# Delay 4 (3 is the default/baseline setting)

Precharge Delay 8 (5 is the default/baseline setting)

Burst Length 8

AGP Aperture Size 128

FREQUENCY/VOLTAGE

Performance Mode (slow, fast, turbo, Ultra Turbo) SLOW

DRAM Frequency 444 (400 is the default/baseline setting)

Adjust CPU Bus Clock (Mhz) 222 (200 is the default/baseline setting)

DDR Clock (Mhz) 444 (400 is the default/baseline setting)

Adjust AGP/PCI Clock (Mhz) 66.66/33.33

CPU Vcore Adjust Yes

CPU Vcore 1.5375 (1.5250V is the default/baseline setting)

DDR Power Voltage 2.7500 (2.650V is the default/baseline setting)

AGP Power Voltage 1.6000 (1.50V is the default/baseline setting)

SiSoftware Sandra Prof. 2005 System Info

Front Side Bus Speed (4x)/Memory Bus Speed (2x) 222

Front Side Bus Data Rate (FSB Speed x4) 888

Memory Bus Speed (FSB Speed x2) 444

CPU SPEED (GHz with 14x multiplier) 3.11

PRIME 95 Results (PASS/FAIL) PASS

Time Run 1 hr 31 mins

As a point of reference (yet again), here is my baseline system specs:

ADVANCED CHIPSET FEATURES

DRAM Timing Setting…

Configure SDRAM Timing by SPD Enabled

CAS# Latency 2.5 Clocks

RAS# Precharge 2 Clocks

RAS# to CAS# Delay 3 Clocks

Precharge Delay 5 Clocks

Burst Length 8

AGP Aperture Size 128

FREQUENCY/VOLTAGE

Performance Mode

(slow, fast, turbo, Ultra Turbo)TURBO

CPU Ratio Selection Locked

DRAM Frequency 400 Mhz

Spread Spectrum Disabled

Adjust CPU Bus Clock (Mhz) 200

DDR Clock (Mhz) 400

Adjust AGP/PCI Clock (Mhz) 66.66/33.33

CPU Vcore Adjust No

CPU Vcore 1.5250V

DDR Power Voltage 2.65V

AGP Power Voltage 1.50V

SiSoftware Sandra Prof. 2005 System Info

Front Side Bus Speed ( 4 x ) 203

Front Side Bus Data Rate (203x4) 812

Memory Bus Speed (2 x) 203

Memory Bus Speed (203x2) 406

CPU SPEED (GHz with 14x multiplier) 2.84
 
That's a pretty good overclock for your memory. I wouldn't be surprised if your overclock becomes problematic once you start raising your FSB some more. From now on, when you raise your FSB, you're gonna' need to run the designated memtest tests if you want to keep your memory 1:1. If you don't want to go through the hassle of doing that, you can lower your memory to 333 and you won't have to worry about it. My suggestion to you, if you're going to overclock, do it right! Meaning: don't lower the memclock speed, keep it one to one and run the designated memtest tests to ensure your memory is not limiting your overclock. Once you do get errors in memtest, you will need to lower your memclock speed to 333 if you want to push your CPU further. You will be the judge of that by comparing benchmarks with your CPU:MEM@1:1(400) and your CPU:MEM@6:5(333).

Also, what stepping is your processor, it's listed in the CPU-Z main window. If it's D1, you will most definetely have problems ~230 FSB.
 
tbh i wouldnt worry about your windows reporting the cpu as the wrong speed, BIOS always seems to be correct but just run a few benchies to make sure that your cpu is actually performing at higher speeds. also from now on try overclocking with only 2 sticks of ram and see if you can get any more out of it. dont worry too much about testing for stability atm. try gettin to 3.2 before doing that.
 
Now what you need to do is run the Blend torture test at priority 10 for 12-24 hours. (you do this after you've run the designated memtests tests of course).
 
Rollercam, yea, unfortunately it is a D1. I think my limit right now with the memory going 1:1 is going to be a FSB from 222 (current) to 228.

Any ideas why when I set the FSB to 228 it is being reported as a 1.6Ghz?
 
if i were you i would compare benchmarks, if you see an improvement when upping the FSB to 228 then I would merely ignore any reports your getting from the computer.
 
More Results...

Hmmm, I'm a little confused here. I made the following changes, which I've posted below. I then started Prime and it ran for several hours. Problem is, I left for the evening, and when I came back at about 10:30 p.m., I could not get the computer to "wake up" and so assumed it was locked up. That is, clicking the mouse or pressing a keyboard button didn't wake up the monitor like it usually does. The Prime results.txt file shows the last entry recorded as:

[Wed Apr 27 20:49:26 2005]

Self-test 20K passed!

Should I assume there is a problem and these settings are no good? Prime always makes me a little leary, especially when my computer monitor kicks into stand-by mode. Maybe I should try running MemTest too, huh?

Also, as rollercam mentioned, setting a FSB of 230 and Memory running at 333Mhz resulted in a crash under 45 minutes. These settings are also posted below...

Latest Testing Results:

Configure SDRAM Timing by SPD Enabled

CAS# Latency 3

RAS# Precharge 4

RAS# to CAS# Delay 4

Precharge Delay 7

Burst Length 8

AGP Aperture Size 128

FREQUENCY/VOLTAGE

Performance Mode (slow, fast, turbo, Ultra Turbo) SLOW

DRAM Frequency 456

Adjust CPU Bus Clock (Mhz) 228

DDR Clock (Mhz) 2x190=380

Adjust AGP/PCI Clock (Mhz) 66.66/33.33

CPU Vcore Adjust Yes

CPU Vcore 1.5375

DDR Power Voltage 2.7500

AGP Power Voltage 1.6000

SiSoftware Sandra Prof. 2005 System Info

Front Side Bus Speed (4x)/Memory Bus Speed (2x) 228

Front Side Bus Data Rate (FSB Speed x4) 912

Memory Bus Speed (FSB Speed x2) 456

CPU SPEED (GHz with 14x multiplier) 3.19

PRIME RESULTS

[Wed Apr 27 13:29:31 2005]

Self-test 1024K passed!

[Wed Apr 27 13:44:59 2005]

Self-test 8K passed!

[Wed Apr 27 14:02:09 2005]

Self-test 10K passed!

[Wed Apr 27 14:17:17 2005]

Self-test 896K passed!

[Wed Apr 27 14:34:21 2005]

Self-test 768K passed!

[Wed Apr 27 15:59:47 2005]

Self-test 1024K passed!

[Wed Apr 27 16:18:27 2005]

Self-test 8K passed!

[Wed Apr 27 17:57:30 2005]

Self-test 1024K passed!

[Wed Apr 27 18:15:18 2005]

Self-test 8K passed!

[Wed Apr 27 18:32:28 2005]

Self-test 10K passed!

[Wed Apr 27 18:49:39 2005]

Self-test 896K passed!

[Wed Apr 27 19:06:49 2005]

Self-test 768K passed!

[Wed Apr 27 19:23:58 2005]

Self-test 12K passed!

[Wed Apr 27 19:40:49 2005]

Self-test 14K passed!

[Wed Apr 27 19:58:05 2005]

Self-test 640K passed!

[Wed Apr 27 20:15:22 2005]

Self-test 512K passed!

[Wed Apr 27 20:32:17 2005]

Self-test 16K passed!

[Wed Apr 27 20:49:26 2005]

Self-test 20K passed!

FAILED OC SETTINGS - 3.22Ghz, FSB 230, 333mhz Memory Setting

Configure SDRAM Timing by SPD Disabled

CAS# Latency 3

RAS# Precharge 4

RAS# to CAS# Delay 4

Precharge Delay 7

Burst Length 8

AGP Aperture Size 128

FREQUENCY/VOLTAGE

Performance Mode (slow, fast, turbo, Ultra Turbo) SLOW

DRAM Frequency 333

Adjust CPU Bus Clock (Mhz) 230

DDR Clock (Mhz) 2x191=382

Adjust AGP/PCI Clock (Mhz) 66.66/33.33

CPU Vcore Adjust Yes

CPU Vcore 1.5375

DDR Power Voltage 2.7500

AGP Power Voltage 1.6000

SiSoftware Sandra Prof. 2005 System Info

Front Side Bus Speed (4x)/Memory Bus Speed (2x) 230

Front Side Bus Data Rate (FSB Speed x4) 920

Memory Bus Speed (FSB Speed x2) 2x191=382

CPU SPEED (GHz with 14x multiplier) 3.22
 
There's no need to raise the voltages just yet. Did you run my designated memtests @ 230 before priming your computer @ 230? If yes then we know your memory is not the problem and it's VCore/CPU related.

So my question to you is, after raising your FSB to 230, did you run memtest tests 1-7 for 4 hours and test 5 for 12-24 hours? If yes, did it pass with no errors? If yes, when you ran prime, did you get an error? If yes, raise your Vcore to 1.55 and try priming again. If prime fails again, raise your VCore another notch and try again, keep raising your VCore until temps get out of hand or you hit your max alloted VCore for the chip (the one XMS suggested).

However, if memtest failed @ 233 you will need to backoff your memclock to 333 and try priming like that. At this point, your memory is below 200 mhz so you can return your memory timings to stock. You can keep your memory timings stock up until 250.
 
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