Rastalovich
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(put aside for 1 minute that I`m all for progression, steady progress)
Apart from requiring new mobo purchases across the board, is there any real advantage in Intel changing their socket for the next round ?
Now I know that they`ve basically taken a bunch of 775 cpus, slapped them together, and come out with a rectangular design all under one roof. But to what end ?
We`ve seen some screenies the last so many days of some pretty interesting, albeit innacruate as they are, bench/utils. Low fsb, 8 cores, probably lower voltages across the cpu range. But I see extreme cpus on these tests.
It`s wholely probably that the best chips are being used and tested, hence their unlockable x22 multi - or perhaps x22 is the new x8/x9 - who knows 100%.. and mighty shiney they look and scoring 2x the results of a 775 4 core variant - which of course is what they practically are, soldered together in a sense.
Now this is the thing. U know that the extreme cpus are one thing. And they`ll come out spanking the 775 extremes at the rate of x2, loosely, I would imagine. Then u have the regular desktop cpus. U`ll get the locked versions, perhaps 2x a Q9450 and so on. The bench for this being 2x is of course the 8 cores, which in the right bench-tester util will show 2x. I see 8 cores with a smaller l2 cache but a boost in l3 cache, for what it`s worth.
My question is, the desktop, or household/office, is 99.99% not going to even use dual core. Now they have 8 cores available, which maywell rise to 16 cores b4 too long. Not Intel`s fault, but of no use to this market.
The business/professional side of things, yes u can get some benefits in certain areas. 16 cores, and they want u to take all ur servers and put them in one machine, so they all fail at the same time, but it`ll save energy and space. (green)
Point being now. We barely use 775 to it`s capacity (disregarding the fsb), why are we needing a new socket other than for sales of mobos ? The folding community of the world probably use cpus to their maximum in the public arena, possibly followed and including enthusiast gamers. The cpus get faster and the games continue in the same recycled vein (very green of them also).
Pull out a 775 cpu from a gaming machine and put in the new socket cpu with mobo, the gamer will not notice. The folder will for sure. U can see SMP techs licking their chops in anticipation.
The gamer won`t notice, the household/office worker won`t notice. The benchmarker will until they break the thing, and business will notice. So why not keep it as a 771 replacement only ?
Purely a low power, low wattage pull ? The gamer doesn`t care, I`d argue the office/household might to a degree, and business will cos of billage - folders care about being green or bills ? They want WUs and will kill their grandmother to get them. (not forgetting of course there are other worthwhile causes similar to F@H out there - this is not where I mention SETI)
Whilst all these extreme 8/16 core cpus are wowing everyone, so many months down the line u will get the cutdown versions for cheap and general use. U know for sure that these cpus will perform less than the mainstream 775, cheap, cpus and u now have stepped backwards.
U buy ur pcworld pc, and it will boast the new socket but have a lower than 775 cpu with more cores - that u won`t use.
Meh ?
Apart from requiring new mobo purchases across the board, is there any real advantage in Intel changing their socket for the next round ?
Now I know that they`ve basically taken a bunch of 775 cpus, slapped them together, and come out with a rectangular design all under one roof. But to what end ?
We`ve seen some screenies the last so many days of some pretty interesting, albeit innacruate as they are, bench/utils. Low fsb, 8 cores, probably lower voltages across the cpu range. But I see extreme cpus on these tests.
It`s wholely probably that the best chips are being used and tested, hence their unlockable x22 multi - or perhaps x22 is the new x8/x9 - who knows 100%.. and mighty shiney they look and scoring 2x the results of a 775 4 core variant - which of course is what they practically are, soldered together in a sense.
Now this is the thing. U know that the extreme cpus are one thing. And they`ll come out spanking the 775 extremes at the rate of x2, loosely, I would imagine. Then u have the regular desktop cpus. U`ll get the locked versions, perhaps 2x a Q9450 and so on. The bench for this being 2x is of course the 8 cores, which in the right bench-tester util will show 2x. I see 8 cores with a smaller l2 cache but a boost in l3 cache, for what it`s worth.
My question is, the desktop, or household/office, is 99.99% not going to even use dual core. Now they have 8 cores available, which maywell rise to 16 cores b4 too long. Not Intel`s fault, but of no use to this market.
The business/professional side of things, yes u can get some benefits in certain areas. 16 cores, and they want u to take all ur servers and put them in one machine, so they all fail at the same time, but it`ll save energy and space. (green)
Point being now. We barely use 775 to it`s capacity (disregarding the fsb), why are we needing a new socket other than for sales of mobos ? The folding community of the world probably use cpus to their maximum in the public arena, possibly followed and including enthusiast gamers. The cpus get faster and the games continue in the same recycled vein (very green of them also).
Pull out a 775 cpu from a gaming machine and put in the new socket cpu with mobo, the gamer will not notice. The folder will for sure. U can see SMP techs licking their chops in anticipation.
The gamer won`t notice, the household/office worker won`t notice. The benchmarker will until they break the thing, and business will notice. So why not keep it as a 771 replacement only ?
Purely a low power, low wattage pull ? The gamer doesn`t care, I`d argue the office/household might to a degree, and business will cos of billage - folders care about being green or bills ? They want WUs and will kill their grandmother to get them. (not forgetting of course there are other worthwhile causes similar to F@H out there - this is not where I mention SETI)
Whilst all these extreme 8/16 core cpus are wowing everyone, so many months down the line u will get the cutdown versions for cheap and general use. U know for sure that these cpus will perform less than the mainstream 775, cheap, cpus and u now have stepped backwards.
U buy ur pcworld pc, and it will boast the new socket but have a lower than 775 cpu with more cores - that u won`t use.
Meh ?
(Or ATI folder)
