The 8 core showdown and analysis thread.

AMD do make some great CPUs for their price. Just read my review for the FX 8320e, I loved that chip, it was fantastic for the price.

The cheaper AMD 8 cores deliver a lot more performance than the Intel equivalents in terms of price, but when you go beyond the FX 8320 or 8320e you are probably better off going Intel (because you can overclock a 8320 for the performance of the higher models and clocks over 4.5 GHz you see very diminishing returns when it comes to performance gains and perf/watt).
 
Good old brainwashing. Intel are very good at that. Here you are trying to defend a locked £1000 CPU. I wish I had that sort of control over people.

Every company does brainwashing not just intel or corsair
 
But your looking at things in two different markets like you said in another thread about your mini titan thing which is cool, you wanna play Fallout 3 in 4k which is amazeballs!! honestly i love FO3 and the pentk performs just as good as my i7 in that situation...
and i bet it would beat your AMD chip and the xeon... cos it has more balls raw CPU speed on its two cores for running a game that only likes (stable) with 2 cores.

which is why i used that lambo reference which apparently was bad i thought it stood true yes you can get something which is balls to the walls awesome but get it to do something a little out of what it was manufactured for ... then your asking it to work in a way it was not meant too.

So you wasted £100 on that AMD chip if all you wanted was FO3 was your not using 6 cores .... your point my friend is invalid...

And intel dont have to say other companies are crap ... to get sales "cough AMD cough cough"
 
AMD do make some great CPUs for their price. Just read my review for the FX 8320e, I loved that chip, it was fantastic for the price.

The cheaper AMD 8 cores deliver a lot more performance than the Intel equivalents in terms of price, but when you go beyond the FX 8320 or 8320e you are probably better off going Intel (because you can overclock a 8320 for the performance of the higher models and clocks over 4.5 GHz you see very diminishing returns when it comes to performance gains and perf/watt).

Quickly wash your mouth out with soap you said something nice about an AMD CPU :D

Jokes aside of course yeah, they don't make your rig sprout unsightly hairs.

If you can thread them then they're exceptional for the asking price. Just wish games would hurry up and follow suit and then people may actually pay some attention.

Every company does brainwashing not just intel or corsair

Most certainly. Yet that's one thing I pride myself on, not enjoying being ripped off nor enjoying a bad product.

TBH? before I even began the tests I already knew what the results would be. Thankfully I only paid £100 for the Xeon (I let some one else make the expensive mistake first) and it works amazingly in my Mac. I mean it wasn't all bad. Power use was virtually nil and I did decide to keep it (glad people read all of my scribblings like).

But your looking at things in two different markets like you said in another thread about your mini titan thing which is cool, you wanna play Fallout 3 in 4k which is amazeballs!! honestly i love FO3 and the pentk performs just as good as my i7 in that situation...
and i bet it would beat your AMD chip and the xeon... cos it has more balls raw CPU speed on its two cores for running a game that only likes (stable) with 2 cores.

which is why i used that lambo reference which apparently was bad i thought it stood true yes you can get something which is balls to the walls awesome but get it to do something a little out of what it was manufactured for ... then your asking it to work in a way it was not meant too.

So you wasted £100 on that AMD chip if all you wanted was FO3 was your not using 6 cores .... your point my friend is invalid...

And intel dont have to say other companies are crap ... to get sales "cough AMD cough cough"

I'm looking at my house and my use, mate.

I can thread a Xeon. I can also thread an AMD. Sadly AMD are pants when it comes down to Hackintosh so I had to keep the Xeon either way.

Intel don't have to say other companies are crap, they just leave that to their droids.

What I find hilarious of course is that no one who is sticking up for this Xeon -

has one.

Will ever get one. Yet they know that it's better than the AMD.

Funny.
 
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I'm looking at my house and my use, mate.

I can thread a Xeon. I can also thread an AMD. Sadly AMD are pants when it comes down to Hackintosh so I had to keep the Xeon either way.

Intel don't have to say other companies are crap, they just leave that to their droids.

What I find hilarious of course is that no one who is sticking up for this Xeon -

has one.

Will ever get one. Yet they know that it's better than the AMD.

Funny.

Nobody is sticking up for the Xeon they are just saying that comparing it to an 8320 is retarded.

JR
 
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When did you come to my house?
How do you know i dont have one running a media server under my bed?

Im merely stating fact.

But AMD has to tell everyone when a company makes a mistake?
They have their droids too i just like tech.

I like efficiency too and like clean lines...
If i did not hate apples company ethic id probs have an iphone and mac... but thats another convo for another day.

And AMD are good just i prefer intel you like skewing data that is all we are trying to say.
 
Nobody is sticking up the Xeon they are just saying that comparing it to an 8320 is retarded.

JR

Why?

Why is it retarded when they both have 8 cores and in most of the tests I performed were highly threaded, yet, the Intel lost.

What if you were building a workstation? or a server? did you know that the Intel 4790k actually lacks the instructions needed to run VMware as a hackintosh yet the AMD doesn't? I had to use my 3970x for that.

There are far, far more uses for a CPU than just gaming. So comparing one to one that on paper at least does share plenty of familiarities is far from retarded.

This is why AMD still make hay with their opterons. Price vs performance.


So all you do with your rig is gaming? you don't ever run more than one app at once?

Multi tasking fella. Something we all do yet there aren't any benchmarks for (well there is, look at the heavy multi tasking results on Asus Realbench)

They're all real world apps too. Hence why I like it so much as it runs one of everything (photo editing, video editing ETC).

It's one area where the AMDs absolutely crush the Intels costing more. Well, and Cinebench.
 
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Ok you go and take a lambo off roading... oh wait you cant because it was not designed to do that (yes i like lambos get over it)

its fine making something that is a jack of all trades but when you compare something thats refined for a precise job like i dunno erm running the internet .... there is a reason things have jobs... when was the last time you utilised double point precision on your Titans?
 
Why?

Why is it retarded when they both have 8 cores and in most of the tests I performed were highly threaded, yet, the Intel lost.

What if you were building a workstation? or a server? did you know that the Intel 4790k actually lacks the instructions needed to run VMware as a hackintosh yet the AMD doesn't? I had to use my 3970x for that.

There are far, far more uses for a CPU than just gaming. So comparing one to one that on paper at least does share plenty of familiarities is far from retarded.

This is why AMD still make hay with their opterons. Price vs performance.

The price range should be an obvious indicator. They are optimized for different tasks and aimed at different markets.

If you were comparing a 5GHz 8320 to a 5GHz 4790k and saying for gaming or any other task the 8320 is just as good at a lesser price I would completely accept your point.

JR
 
The price range should be an obvious indicator. They are optimized for different tasks and aimed at different markets.

If you were comparing a 5GHz 8320 to a 5GHz 4790k and saying for gaming or any other task the 8320 is just as good at a lesser price I would completely accept your point.

JR

You'd only accept my point because you know, as do I, that the Intel would win.

But, as I said before, it's OK to compare a two core game on 8 core CPUs and the blue mob declare it as a win for Intel?

Your logic is flawed. I know perfectly well where these AMDs sit in terms of both price and performance. When threaded they beat the I5 yet, are no match for the 4790k.

But then they cost £100.

You know what I wish? I wish people would spare the £200 or so and buy an AMD and then do what I've done, test the crap out of it using the correct software.

It's weird. Once you own both you become far more open minded about it.

FX 8 does not have the IPC of DC. I know that, we all know that. IPC of a FX 8 at 4.7ghz is very similar to the IPC of a I7 920 at around 4.2 ghz, which is the tap out point for both GPUs roughly. So an 8 core I7 920 for £100?

Judge things on their true merit. Once you step into modern I7 territory the AMDs get left behind. But, not every one wants to buy an I7. As I mentioned, if you were running VMware you would be pretty screwed. Only on the locked I7s and Xeons can you get those instructions, and then you sacrifice the ability to overclock.
 
Firstly mate, we all agree that AMD do give very compelling price to performance at the low end.

The problem here is that you are comparing a very highly overclocked FX 8320 to an IVY based XEON. There are higher performing Haswell based XEONs now and even with the hefty overclock AMD only gets a slight lead.

The Xeon has the advantage of being able to use ECC memory, which is vital for it's intended purpose. The FX 8320 does not have this. Then there is also the power consumption/thermals to consider. Do you honestly expect the FX 8320 with a massive overclock to survive as long as the Xeon? While you do state that you don't care about this arguement, other here do and you must respect that opinion.

I do think that it is great that this kind of performance can be delivered by an FX 8320, but when looking at the big picture the Xeon still makes a lot of sense, even if it doesn't in your particular use case.

Guys we need to agree to disagree on this one, as at this point a mod will probably have to close this thread.
 
Well with my system it's 90% gaming i have another system to do other things

as far as i know the Xeon is not really gaming CPU compare to an i5 or an i7
 
Firstly mate, we all agree that AMD do give very compelling price to performance at the low end.

The problem here is that you are comparing a very highly overclocked FX 8320 to an IVY based XEON. There are higher performing Haswell based XEONs now and even with the hefty overclock AMD only gets a slight lead.

If I were building a server or a workstation and money mattered I would take both into consideration. Is that enough of an endorsement?

So logically these CPUs could quite easily cross paths. If I were streaming using Xsplit for example the AMD is the clear winner. I could do that using the Xeon too, as I count it as a 'other than gaming' use.

The Xeon has the advantage of being able to use ECC memory, which is vital for it's intended purpose. The FX 8320 does not have this. Then there is also the power consumption/thermals to consider. Do you honestly expect the FX 8320 with a massive overclock to survive as long as the Xeon? While you do state that you don't care about this arguement, other here do and you must respect that opinion.

I've had my 8320 going hard core for 18 months and no issues so far. Obviously I would down clock it to stock which would be fine. It costs £100. For the productivity the price is impossible to beat.

I could buy ten AMDs for the same price...

Please note, I did tell people to avoid and ignore that part of the thesis. Yet they have chosen not to. I've also not called any one stupid or retarded yet oddly, have been called both.

But I'm not mad.

I did mention that I kept the Intel over the AMD for its mere power use, but sadly no one seems to have read that far. Shame.

I do think that it is great that this kind of performance can be delivered by an FX 8320, but when looking at the big picture the Xeon still makes a lot of sense, even if it doesn't in your particular use case.

Guys we need to agree to disagree on this one, as at this point a mod will probably have to close this thread.

Actually dude as a matter of fact Xeons have been making less and less sense as the years roll by. They're over priced and usually splattered by their desktop substitutes (let's take into account the £4000 12 core and the 5960x, which demolishes it) so Intel have been bleeding their Xeons into unlocked desktop parts like the 3970x, 4960x Enterprise series. This is only to get the sales that they lose by over pricing their Xeons. It's the same with Nvidia. They were selling the Titan which is a Tesla into the desktop market trying to rack up more sales.

Every PC part you ever used is a server hand me down of sorts. That's just the nature of the industry I'm afraid.

As for locking the thread? why? are people not capable of reasoned discussion here then?
 
Guys, keep the personal attacks to yourselves. We don't need to resort to that.

As far as the thread goes, if only price and the usage described are the considerations, the AMD chip is the clear winner. You can't deny that.

Change this to a server comparison with database performance, (enterprise) virtualization, and reliability we would have different results.

As you wouldn't buy a high-end high-priced xeon chip for use in a computer primarily surfing facebook, you wouldn't get the AMD chip to use in a mission critical heavy-usage oracle DB at a fortune 500 company.
 
Guys, keep the personal attacks to yourselves. We don't need to resort to that.

As far as the thread goes, if only price and the usage described are the considerations, the AMD chip is the clear winner. You can't deny that.

Change this to a server comparison with database performance, (enterprise) virtualization, and reliability we would have different results.

As you wouldn't buy a high-end high-priced xeon chip for use in a computer primarily surfing facebook, you wouldn't get the AMD chip to use in a mission critical heavy-usage oracle DB at a fortune 500 company.

Switch it to 'nix and the Intel romps. I also love the power use (60w max).
 
You heard it here fist guys. Dont buy any overpriced Intel shit. Instead, grab yourself a nice budget AMD chip. After all, AMD is hotter, better, faster, and stronger!
 
As soon as I saw this title I knew it'd devolve into a shitstorm. Come on guys, when the 8 core cpu is actually used its actually not as bad as you seem to think. Its just the whole ecosystem of games still not being very well hyperthreaded (which is quite hard to do). The 8xxx cpus will get better performance with DX12 so arguably things are going to get better. Too late for AMD? probably.
My 8320 is as fast as a 3770 according to cinebench. Not bad bang for buck.

My personal feelings on the matter is that as someone who actually owns a 'sweaty' amd 8 core, I think that while if you've got the money you should go intel but people do underestimate the AMD cpus quite a bit. Alot of it boils down to the OS itself. Unix and AMD 8 cores are an excellent combo.


You heard it here fist guys. Dont buy any overpriced Intel shit. Instead, grab yourself a nice budget AMD chip. After all, AMD is hotter, better, faster, and stronger!

Weirdly enough AMD cpus are actually better at conducting their heat compared to haswell et al (due to AMD using a good thermal conductivity thing that actually isn't cheaped out). Sure they are 'warm', much in the same way any cpu that has a TDP of 225w/125w is but if you are struggling to cool one sufficiently I'd be suprised. My £80 seidon 120m kept temperatures much lower than you'd think.


I only really stopped using my 8320 as I got bored and wanted a small PC.
 
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