Swiftech H220 AIO Review

From what I've read it seems that the pump is over-engineered for the single rad and block the kit comes with. I do wonder how it copes as more blocks are added, and what the guide-line are regardling practical limits one should not push beyond.

Let's hope we see some builds using this in the Projects area - please post a link here if you have one!

Scoob.
 
I no longer have much beef with this review directly. The lower temps on the H100i can be expected when its fans are running at 50% higher RPM (2700 compared to 1800, something I missed earlier). If the fans on the H100i and others were turned to 1800 RPMs, I believe you'd see the H220 pull ahead in that scenario. Like I said before, this unit was tuned for low noise, not for all out performance. If you put those SP120s on the H220 I can guarantee the temps would be much better, especially considering it's the only CLC on the market with a copper radiator instead of aluminum.

The only other thing I didn't like was that the pump wasn't turned down with PWM. Even at 1800 rpms it would still perform within 1* of it's top speed but it would be half as loud. I mean seriously. It turns up to 3000 RPMs. Of course it'll be loud there. Other aio pumps turns at 1200. In Swiftech's pump speed testing on their site, they even mention about temps being almost indifferent up to a certain point of flow.
 
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From what I've read it seems that the pump is over-engineered for the single rad and block the kit comes with. I do wonder how it copes as more blocks are added, and what the guide-line are regardling practical limits one should not push beyond.

Let's hope we see some builds using this in the Projects area - please post a link here if you have one!

Scoob.

At CES they used this unit pumping through 3 blocks and 3 radiators on their 5th system. Basically anywhere you can use a DDC under 3K RPM, you can used this system. They will eventually have this pump for sale separately as a Laing replacement, since it was designed to run 4500RPMs, but they tuned it down to 3000 for this unit.
I will be using the H220 in my new build, the Mini-Phantom I dubbed Mini-Me, along with a second MCR220-QP and a 7970 Komodo block and 6 additional Helix fans for p/p.
It should also be noted that Swiftech's new pump used here was independantly rated at 60,000 MTBF, 10,000 more than the Laing DDCs.
 
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At CES the h220 was the same or only 2-3 degrees cooler than the h100i. (depending on what ces video you looked at, the ones in the rooms with identical systems)

Fan speed on the H100i is litterally only 2-3 degrees difference between say 650 rpm to 2700.


Honestly though, Why are you going to compare different fans etc? If you compare systems vs systems they need to be compared as they came for true real world performance difference.

I know some people will change/upgrade fans if not right away then shortly after , but that doesnt compare what the manufactureres of these units put out to the consumer.


That being said Id like to see a revisit with a second rad and at least one gpu block to see if its really worth it as an "upgradable" unit.
 
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Fan speed on the H100i is litterally only 2-3 degrees difference between say 650 rpm to 2700.
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Tom's test shows up to a 10*C difference between H100i fan speed "balanced" and MAX when it was undervolted, but it's still significant.
 
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I looked again and edited my post accordingly. There was a 10* difference when the CPU was undervolted.

Thats all down to fan speeds. On the corsairs they hardly span up. Remember the swiftech was fixed speed the corsairs are variable.
 
Tom's test shows up to a 10*C difference between H100i fan speed "balanced" and MAX when it was undervolted, but it's still significant.


My "tests" showed about a 3 degree average between lowest fan speed and max. 5 degrees if it was a cool night. Say sub 25c. That doesnt happen much here in the sunshine state though. ;)
 
well if I was a company wanting to show how good my new AIO was compared to another's and I was going to put them in "identical" systems the week b4 I would find the hottest and coolest cpu and those would be my test rigs guess what goes where maybe that's just the way my mind works.

But that said as I wrote b4 I would of been tempted by this if it had been out when I first went to water knowing swiftech make good pumps and cpu blocks.
 
Can I ask a sensible question?

What about the warranty? If someone expanded the system during the warranty period and then something from the original spec failed because the system has been modified then Swiftech *COULD* (not saying they would) claim that you broke it by modifying the unit from it's factory specs.
 
Dear Forum members, in response to Mr Tom Logan’s review of this product, I have the following comments which I would like to share with you here.

I. On the subject of poor performance of the H220 relative to Corsair H100i on the 2011 platform at approximately equal fan speed.

Our observations are as follows:

Possible factor #1 – operating fan speed : Swiftech was tested at fixed 12v (1800 rpm) and Corsair H100i was tested in Balanced mode.

According to Corsair, I cite:

“The "Low Noise", "Balanced", and "High Performance" settings are not strict fan RPMs, but performance curves that let the fans spin up based on internal coolant temp. Their settings are as follows:

Low Noise - 900 RPM to 1300 RPM
Balanced - 1300 RPM to 2000 RPM
High Perf - 1600 RPM to 2600 RPM”

Therefore, because of the high heat load generated by this particular processor (150W +++) it is possible/likely that the Corsair fans operated at their maximum of 2000 RPM in such balanced mode (versus the H220 1800 RPM), which certainly could account for a 2C loss for the Swiftech unit against the Corsair.

Possible factor #2 –Thermal compound - Assuming that all units were tested with the same thermal compound

In our own lab testing, and at high temperature loads, we have measured more than 2C difference between our TIM-Mate 2 and Corsair’s pre-applied compound. So by testing the units with a better compound than the original pre-applied stuff, this could artificially boost performance of the Corsair by up to 2C, which is not representative of the product performance “as shipped”.

For further clarifications, Swiftech’s position on the subject matter of doing comparative testing/reviews of AIO units is that they should be tested in two stages, and the relevant data reported to readers as follows:
1. “as received”, based on the rationale that the vast majority of these products is sold to first time users who do not generally replace the thermal compound, particularly when it is pre-applied, and
2. with the same thermal compound so as to establish the thermal characteristics of the product using the same baseline, which provides additional information to the more advanced users.

For the record, all comparative test data published by Swiftech is based on item 1 in accordance with the above stated belief.

Conclusions:

Both of the above factors combined yield up to 4C or more in favor of the Corsair. When readjusted downwards as such, the data would be consistent with our own testing at +/- 1C. In effect, we observed in our lab that the Corsair H100i unit performed substantially better than the earlier H100 version on the Socket LGA 2011 platform compared to 1155 and 1366, and came close (by 1.7C) to the performance of our H220 at equal fan speed on this particular platform.

II. On the subject of Expandability and other matters

• We noticed a factual error in Mr Logan’s presentation, and would like to correct it; he says erroneously and I cite: “it is technically a DDC”. As explained at length in our video presentations the pump is entirely Swiftech developed and Swiftech manufactured. It is not “Technically” a Laing Made DDC.
• We cannot respond in details to Mr Logan’s comments on the subject of our kit’s expandability, such as adding a VGA in particular, because the opinions expressed by Mr Logan are not backed by factual data. We can only state that we DEMONSTRATED the product to be fully expandable to a full panel of media specialists during CES.

III. On the subject of tubing length

We could not but notice Mr Logans’ extreme frustration regarding the above subject matter. What we can respond with is this:
o as far as the primary target user is concerned (first time user), we intentionally supply longer tubing than other AIO kits with the H220 because we genuinely believe that it will provide more choices to users in terms of installation of the product in their case, such as frontal installation, or installation at the bottom of the case.
o As far as the DIY enthusiast user is concerned, our decision was based on the rationale that the H220 tubing can be replaced at will by such users.
We want to thank overclock3D.net for granting a Gold Award to the H220 CPU cooler, and hope that the above commentaries will further assist users in deciding which kit is right for them.

Gabriel Rouchon
CEO
 
Therefore, because of the high heat load generated by this particular processor (150W +++) it is possible/likely that the Corsair fans operated at their maximum of 2000 RPM in such balanced mode (versus the H220 1800 RPM), which certainly could account for a 2C loss for the Swiftech unit against the Corsair.


Gabriel Rouchon
CEO

TBH I'm not an expert but I would like to challenge this assumption that 200rpm can make a 2 degree difference in temps.

I have a H100i and I run the fans at 1000rpm. If I increase them to 1200rpm I don't see a 2 degree drop in temperature nor if I drop the rpm to 800 do I see a 2 degree increase in temperature. 0.75 of a degree at most either way yes but nowhere near 2°c
 
Can I ask a sensible question?

What about the warranty? If someone expanded the system during the warranty period and then something from the original spec failed because the system has been modified then Swiftech *COULD* (not saying they would) claim that you broke it by modifying the unit from it's factory specs.

The warrantee is 3 yrs regardless if the system is kept closed or expanded upon.
 
Can I ask a sensible question?

What about the warranty? If someone expanded the system during the warranty period and then something from the original spec failed because the system has been modified then Swiftech *COULD* (not saying they would) claim that you broke it by modifying the unit from it's factory specs.

Phelan is correct. As a Swiftech Customer Support Rep I can confirm that we will honor the warranty of original parts of this kit even if you modify it to include other blocks, radiators, pumps, and or reservoirs.
 
don't know if I'm missing something here but if:
200 rpm = 2c
then when tom puts the h100I to max thus 2800
800 rpm = 8c
so H100i max should be 8c cooler then at balanced unless they have changed how math works since I left school
 
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