Suporting the UnderDog...

[ionicle]

...i have noticed that most people on this forum buy intel, as their main processor

and yes, at the moment, intel processors offer the best price/performance comparison

wheras amd are the same price as the aforementioned intel processors and offer less performance for that money

but, just because of that, i believe amd should be suported

if we bought amd processors, it would give their R&D Department more money to throw around to develop a better tech

and if amd do this, and come out with somthing better, and cheaper than intel, then intel will have to lower prices, and thats only a good thing for consumers

also just to mention intel own in the region of 79% of the market anyway, and even when the athlon 64's were about everywhere as they were the best at the time, the percentage didnt change much, so its not like intel would miss much in the terms of revenue

if anything, it anoys me that people are so short sighted as to say "intels faster and cheaper, buy it" thats a short sighted, narrowminded way of thinking, and shouldnt be tollerated.

imo anyway.

EDIT: and nobody can slate me for not being right, because when you look at it, it all makes sense...

EDIT2: beside's, also to add into the mix, i've had two core 2 duo systems, and they've both died in a matter of months, i've had three athlon 64 systems, two are still working, one i took apart and sold as all working parts, they've lasted FAR longer, so amd atleast have reliability on their side!

 

[llwyd]

Hey heres an idea. When the time comes for you to get a nice new car, buy one with no engine or seats because you'll be doing the dealer a favor by getting it off his land. You cant slate me you know im right.

 

[ionicle]

nah, i'd rather buy the more reliable, but slightly more expensive one, from the company that nobody seems to like anymore, rather than go with the trend that everyone else seems to be following for faster things...

because its not that amd dont work, or they're missing anything, they're more reliable, but just dont have the same speed for the money....

 

[ali_james]

I don't think theres really any room for affection in this buisness though. It's a lump of silicon at the end of the day, it wouldn't rather be an AMD or an Intel or a VIA branded device.

I'm not going to buy a downgraded car, house, anything just because its there.

Before AMD was reasonably viable still, when Core 2 was in its infancy, where the AMD still represent value for money. But now its £115 for an AMD 6400, £140 for an Intel E8400.

In the end its only buisness, if a company can't support itself, break into the market, make a comeback into the market, then thats that. People will find new jobs, someone else will take up the mantle.

 

[ionicle]

if AMD were to go out of business, there would be nobody to fill the gap they left, except intel, and that would be like just one company making cars

they could charge what they liked for whatever junk they wanted to sell, and consumers would have no choise but to pay it if they wanted one.

 

[ali_james]

But what would be the point in AMD hanging around in the market with nothing special to offer? If they can't come up with a new architecture for new processors are you still willing to be A64's and Phenoms for the next 10 years?

Theres always new companies, who made the first mass production cars? Ford. Who else now makes mass production vehicles? Theres always room for inovation.

 

[ionicle]

if they're quick enough for what i want, yes, yes i am.

 

[llwyd]

if AMD were to go out of business, there would be nobody to fill the gap they left, except intel, and that would be like just one company making cars

they could charge what they liked for whatever junk they wanted to sell, and consumers would have no choise but to pay it if they wanted one.

IBM? Samsung? Texas Instruments? Sun Microsystems? VIA? Motorolla? HP?

All capable of mass producing an alternative if AMD's market share went up for grabs.

 

[ionicle]

maybe so, but loosing a company from a group always has an effect, its a mad power struggle until another takes its position, and how long until they're all owned by intel, or all owned by one of the others...

its not good to loose a dedicated processor manufacturer...

and if AMD went down, it seems they'd take ATi with them ...

and if that happens, it would just be Nvidia vs intel, and that cannot be a good thing either, we need diversity in the market for new ideas to emerge..

 

[Hassan]

Its AMDs fault that they left Intel to take the lead. Now if they want to do a comeback, they have to come up with something really good enough for us to throw away our Intel processors, end of the day its all down to Business.

 

[Hyper]

People are always going to buy whats best at the time, buying something just because you want the company to do well seems a bit fan boyish to me.

 

[ionicle]

Its AMDs fault that they left Intel to take the lead. Now if they want to do a comeback, they have to come up with something really good enough for us to throw away our Intel processors, end of the day its all down to Business.

and if they dont, they'll go bankrupt, and someone else might fill the gap, but its still the loss of another company, and that is never NEVER a good thing

People are always going to buy whats best at the time, buying something just because you want the company to do well seems a bit fan boyish to me.

maybe they are, but you cant ignore the fact that a company is going bankrupt here

intel didnt have that problem, they had dell

and oem machines

and they kept a 50+ percent hold on the market even though amd were kicking ass in the performance segment...

but amd dont have the same kind of security

 

[llwyd]

and if they dont, they'll go bankrupt, and someone else might fill the gap, but its still the loss of another company, and that is never NEVER a good thing

I see whats going on here, youve recently gone all out and spent 57p on 10 shares of AMD haven't you. You sneaky bugger

 

[Bungral]

I see whats going on here, youve recently gone all out and spent 57p on 10 shares of AMD haven't you. You sneaky bugger

lmao nice

 

[FarFarAway]

OK let's get this straight

This is a stupid discussion and isn't going to go anywhere because you do not listen to people no matter how good and valid their arguments are

AMD are a good company and their processors are good, but they are far behind Intel right now and until they catch up we should never be recommending people to buy AMD, unless they want a very low watt, lowish performance CPU and even then Intel have competitors.

Intel have been known as damn reliable in the CPU field for years, that's why the server market was filled with Intel for a long time. AMD started to improve this with their Opteron's and X2's and I am sure will continue. However, to argue that Intel is less reliable is a total farce and a fallacy.

AMD will not die, they are simply too big. They'll perhaps have to trim down but I suspect they will come back with something to combat the hugely powerful Intel at some point, we'll see.

Another thing to get straight is that you've broken more than one AMD system in your time, in fact you're a total disaster area for PC components. Perhaps you are getting better but anyone who doesn't use TIM in their PC deserves a smack upside their head

This thread is over. Period. End of.

There's no room for blind fanboyism on OC3D, it's ridiculous when it comes to anything, never mind CPU's for christ sake.

Hell if AMD get a steaming CPU out next time round I'll be right back on it, but until then be happy you have an AMD system but don't give these untrue arguments steeped in ridiculous idiocy

 

[MikeEnIke]

OK let's get this straight

This is a stupid discussion and isn't going to go anywhere because you do not listen to people no matter how good and valid their arguments are

AMD are a good company and their processors are good, but they are far behind Intel right now and until they catch up we should never be recommending people to buy AMD, unless they want a very low watt, lowish performance CPU and even then Intel have competitors.

Intel have been known as damn reliable in the CPU field for years, that's why the server market was filled with Intel for a long time. AMD started to improve this with their Opteron's and X2's and I am sure will continue. However, to argue that Intel is less reliable is a total farce and a fallacy.

AMD will not die, they are simply too big. They'll perhaps have to trim down but I suspect they will come back with something to combat the hugely powerful Intel at some point, we'll see.

Another thing to get straight is that you've broken more than one AMD system in your time, in fact you're a total disaster area for PC components. Perhaps you are getting better but anyone who doesn't use TIM in their PC deserves a smack upside their head

This thread is over. Period. End of.

There's no room for blind fanboyism on OC3D, it's ridiculous when it comes to anything, never mind CPU's for christ sake.

Hell if AMD get a steaming CPU out next time round I'll be right back on it, but until then be happy you have an AMD system but don't give these untrue arguments steeped in ridiculous idiocy

Nuff said