Streaming PC Advice ?

[UKCurtis]

Hello I am looking to invest in a Streaming pc, I have been looking around but kinda need some peoples advice guidance you could say.

My gaming PC currently:
INTEL i7 3770K @4.5GHz
MSI z77 Mpower Big Bang
Asus GTX780 SLI
RipJaws- 16GB Ram 1600Mhz
Corsair H100 Cooler
Corsair HX850W Power supply

My capture card I got about 4days ago:
Avermedia Live Gamer Hd C985

Now this where it gets tricky well sort of this is one build:

1.
Intel i7-3930K overclock it to 4.6-7GHz
Gigabyte X79 UD3
Corsair Garbide 540 (will have this for my gaming rig and use my 600T for streaming pc)
H100i
Kingston HyperX 3k SSD 120GB
Corsair Ven 16gb 1600MHz
Corsair 2013 Gamer series gs 600w
Evga GT610

Total Cost: £1,213.91 just want to state something I didn't find the best prices for the components its all on OverclockersUK its just easier.

I will only be streaming BF3 and when Battlefield 4 comes out I will be streaming that if you have any suggestions would be awesome.

Would a AMD processor be better??

What about another 3770K overclocked @4.5Ghz??

Xsplit Settings at the moment:

• Software: Xsplit Broadcaster
• Resolution: 720p (1920X1080 Downscaled to 1280x720)
• FPS: 60
• Preset: Faster
• Mode: CBR (Constant Bitrate)
• Bitrate: 3000
• Buffer: 4000
• Audio Codec: AAC LC HQ
• Audio Bitrate: 128Kbps
  
  It just doesnt cut it its really annoying I have a beast of a machine which cant even stream well it cant but not smoothly enough.
  
  Also I my bf3 settings are on Ultra everything maxed out even if I turn everything to low I dont gain any fps.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Streaming = AMD 8350 by far. Intel i cpus blow in that department.

 

[jamesriley94]

Streaming = AMD 8350 by far. Intel i cpus blow in that department.

Sorry - what? The 8350 doesn't really beat the 3770k @ 4.5ghz - and it certainly doesn't beat a 3930k.

I'd probably go for the 3770k to be honest - I'm not sure you'd notice that much difference between the 3770k and the 3930k for what you're doing.

Currently, the only reason to buy AMD CPUs is if you're doing what you're doing on a very tight budget. As you've obviously budgeted fine for a 3930k, I see no reason at all to go for the AMD option.

 

[NeverBackDown]

For streaming 8350 beats intel by quite a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE for some results..

Though i wouldn't necessarily argee with beating a 3930k but it does beat a 3820(which is basically a 3770k).

 

[jamesriley94]

That's actually like the only video on the internet that claims the 8350 beats the 3770k.

As an all round chip, the 3770k is better. If certain programs/games are more optimised for AMD, then it may edge ahead a tiny bit in certain uses - but the Intel is faster per core, runs so much cooler and more efficiently, and you can generally get a bit more of an overclock out of them.

Also, Intels hold their value a lot better than AMD chips (despite being more expensive to start with).


EDIT:
Sorry - forgot to ask, why not a 4770k?

 

[NeverBackDown]

He's streaming. 8350 wins. Nothing else matters?
I love both sides but for streaming the 8350 wins. In just general gaming its about even but still behind. Intel just has a lot more newer features that are much better than AMD at the moment.

 

[ObscureParadox]

AMD for streaming hands down. They are just incredible when it comes to streaming x264. I used to stream with my 8120 @ 4.5GHz on slowest setting on Xsplit and it never dropped a frame. Go AMD for streaming and you wont regret it, nor will your wallet.

 

[jamesriley94]

As I said before - it's the only source on the internet to claim the 8350 is better...

And don't forget, that's also in the same video that states in Crysis Warhead, the 8350 performed 25% better than a 3570k? That's in a game that certainly didn't utilise more cores than 4, and was heavily GPU dependent not CPU dependent. I understand the OP is asking for streaming purposes, but it's very difficult to get round the inaccuracies of certain things.

You're also forgetting the 8350 is stock clocked at 4.2ghz, whilst the 3770k is only at 3.5ghz. Once overclocking is taken into account - which the OP has said he intends to do, the Intel will take more of a lead there.

Fair enough if you're on a budget, then pushing the extra money for the i7 may not be worth it so much. But when the budget's there, I see no reason not to go for the i7.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Will since he's going for a 3930k then ya it'll win. I mixed up his spec list thinking the top was the upgraded one and the bottom was his.. Whoops lol

AMD still beats a 3570k at streaming and is near on par in lots of test for the 3770k(still slightly slower majority) but a 3930k... What contest is there for any cpu really? Besides a 3970X other than that nothing.

Gonna need some fast MHZ ram though OP.

 

[ObscureParadox]

You're also forgetting the 8350 is stock clocked at 4.2ghz, whilst the 3770k is only at 3.5ghz. Once overclocking is taken into account - which the OP has said he intends to do, the Intel will take more of a lead there.

True, say you got a 3770K to 4.5GHz which is quite respectable given how Ivy clocks, and you compare it to an 8350 @ 4.8GHz which is also a respectable clock on a Piledriver chip. You're going to have maybe a 10% advantage at the very most with the intel chip? Personally with the cost of an 8320 being around £120 at the moment, I would think you'd be silly spending a shed load of money on a 6 core i7, when you can get an 8320, motherboard and ram for less than the cost of a 3930K.

I know the OP isn't really on a budget but I don't see the point in spending so much money when he really doesn't need to. There is no point throwing money down the drain for the sake of buying something fancy.

 

[UKCurtis]

Okay guys thanks for the advice still not very clear what to get still haha didnt really want you guys having a war over it . I just want to stream the best so looks like both of you are saying 8320 I just don't want to buy something and it being really crap bc I have that luck.

What about the AMD FX 9590 Black Edtion 8 Core for streaming ?

AMD Build for Streaming:

AMD Piledriver FX-8 Eight Core 8350

GeIL EVO Veloce Hot-Rod Red 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3 PC3-14900C10 1866MHz

Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 AMD 990X

Corsair Hydro H100i

Corsair Builder Series CX 600W V2 '80 Plus Bronze

Corsair Force LS Series 60GB

Asus HD 5450 SILENT 1024MB GDDR3

Total : £662.88

 

[NeverBackDown]

Gonna need a faster GPU than a 5450 if this is for recording games and streaming using something like xsplit.

 

[UKCurtis]

Gonna need a faster GPU than a 5450 if this is for recording games and streaming using something like xsplit.

I am only Streaming not recording also most streamers dont use GPU its to take even more tress out of the CPU.

 

[NeverBackDown]

in that case grab something like a 7770 or a 7750. Better than any nvidia card below a 650ti Boost for the money. If gaming is not going to be used you could get away with a 500 watt PSU(or lower but i wouldn't go lower than 500watts).

 

[UKCurtis]

in that case grab something like a 7770 or a 7750. Better than any nvidia card below a 650ti Boost for the money. If gaming is not going to be used you could get away with a 500 watt PSU(or lower but i wouldn't go lower than 500watts).

Like I said its only 'Streaming encoding it' thats it so I wanting the best I dont want my Streams looking garbage like I said I dont want to be disappointed.

 

[Lazlo]

Like I said its only 'Streaming encoding it' thats it so I wanting the best I dont want my Streams looking garbage like I said I dont want to be disappointed.

So correct me if I am wrong. You are using an extra pc just for streaming with a dedicated streaming / capture card.
In theory the encoding should be done entirely by the streaming card. So the only really deciding factors would be the performance of the streaming card and your internet upload speed. As long as the cpu and ram don't bottleneck.

 

[UKCurtis]

So correct me if I am wrong. You are using an extra pc just for streaming with a dedicated streaming / capture card.
In theory the encoding should be done entirely by the streaming card. So the only really deciding factors would be the performance of the streaming card and your internet upload speed. As long as the cpu and ram don't bottleneck.

Okay there is no such thing as a streaming card the Avermedia Capture card isnt supposed to encode its actually really bad at it so thats why I am building a streaming PC just for streaming and that's it. So the Avermedia will be in my streaming PC capturing/encoding while my Gaming PC wont suffer any FPS loss ill play as normal. My download speed is fine trust me on that one so know need to worry about that.

I thought just putting the Capture card would fix my issue but it really doesnt at all Im better off at the moment staying with OBS and streaming with no Capture until I have my streaming PC.

 

[Lazlo]

My download speed is fine trust me on that one so know need to worry about that.

I see. So you use the avermedia card just for capturing. So the encoding is done by the streaming pcs cpu.

Just to be sure. You probably miswrote. What's important is the upload speed not download speed. In my area the upload speed is usaully a fraction of the download speed.

 

[ObscureParadox]

Okay guys thanks for the advice still not very clear what to get still haha didnt really want you guys having a war over it . I just want to stream the best so looks like both of you are saying 8320 I just don't want to buy something and it being really crap bc I have that luck.

What about the AMD FX 9590 Black Edtion 8 Core for streaming ?

AMD Build for Streaming:

AMD Piledriver FX-8 Eight Core 8350

GeIL EVO Veloce Hot-Rod Red 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3 PC3-14900C10 1866MHz

Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 AMD 990X

Corsair Hydro H100i

Corsair Builder Series CX 600W V2 '80 Plus Bronze

Corsair Force LS Series 60GB

Asus HD 5450 SILENT 1024MB GDDR3

Total : £662.88

Looks good to me, but I would get an 8320 just to save a little bit of cash.

It's effectively the same CPU just clocked lower, so when you overclock the CPU it really doesn't make a difference. Don't know if the H110 coolers are cheaper still, but they perform better than H100is and they are actually quieter.

Also have you thought of a case to house all of this in??

Edit : Do you really need 16GB of ram??? Won't 8GB do you fine??

 

[UKCurtis]

Looks good to me, but I would get an 8320 just to save a little bit of cash.

It's effectively the same CPU just clocked lower, so when you overclock the CPU it really doesn't make a difference. Don't know if the H110 coolers are cheaper still, but they perform better than H100is and they are actually quieter.

Also have you thought of a case to house all of this in??

Edit : Do you really need 16GB of ram??? Won't 8GB do you fine??

That 16gb I am going to be using and put the 16gb I have now into the Streaming PC. (Mine is 1600MHz and the one im buying is 1866MHz).

I have got a case Bitfenix Shinobi or a Corsair 200r

Also I am going to use the H100i for My Gaming Rig and put the H100 in the Streaming PC.

If I was going to buy the 3930K I would use that for my Gaming Rig and use my 3770K for Streaming or the other way round depends on how I felt. I would properly buy the Rampage Extreme x79 if I was going to buy the 3930k so you could say its kinda of a upgrade hehe.