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My aunt worked in China a few decades ago for a fair while and she learned that life in China doesn't carry anywhere near as much value as it does in western countries, It has nothing to do with population size, It's the mindset, Life doesn't mean much so machine gunning down the people responsible wouldn't do a thing, They'd still carry on doing it afterwards.

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This just keeps getting better...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/wor...859d574e049e066f596657&pinned_post_type=share


Truly, do we share the same planet as a culture which advocates Medieval hocus pocus bullsh*t like this...??
 


Yep, Same with many asian and middle eastern countries, Mentally they are still in the stone age and that is dangerous, Nothing to do with race, All to do with culture.
 
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It's purely down to economics, if you look at any country in the world you will have seen similar value for life around this stage in their industrial revolution. If you look at countries in the middle east or Asia that are economically developed, they are mostly comparable to Western countries. You look at the NIC's, they're mostly comparable to Western countries during their industrial revolution, because NIC's are still in their industrial revolution. If you look at accounts from Britain, Germany, France ect at the time, they were just as barbaric in the late 1800's and early 1900's as NIC's now, we were just the first countries in the world to industrialise.

It's a shame that the rapid urbanisation of industrialisation usually comes with some form of slave labour exploitation, a devaluing of life, and a culture where heretics can thrive, but essentially every large country has gone through this period in their development. After that, the kind of work available begins to switch to more skilled work, people become better educated, the con mans and heretics lose their target audience, and then a "civilises".

Of course, an easy way to speed this process up with simply less developed nations would be if developed countries stopped exporting their labour to less developed countries to exploit the weaker regulations and lower pay.

Obviously, it's quite different with the Middle East, many of these countries laid the foundations for modern science, and were quite advanced up until forced power changes, for example Iran was a very free and progressive country up until the 1953 coup d'état (AKA Operation Ajax) that was instigated by the US to gain more power in the region, that eventually led to a strict Islamic regimes gaining power. Go back 80 years before British, French & US intervention weakened the power structures and Islamic extremists had very little power in the Middle East, wars since the 1940's in that region can more or less all be traced back to boundary changes/forced relocation's of communities by French and British empires.
 
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There's a saying "Don't s**t on your own doorstep".

This is why we moved a lot of our factories to China, and other poorer countries. We shifted all of our economics to other countries to do our dirty work. We ship our old junk computers to India and Pakistan, and Africa. Where, in India and Pakistan they have created polluted areas where they basically break down the components. It's incredibly toxic and killing people very young. But that's OK, we don't care as long as it's out of sight and out of mind.

We also ship a lot of our plastic to China and others, who then either burn or bury it. Again, it's fine so long as it isn't happening on your doorstep right? well um, no.

The very fact that China will basically do anything for a buck has turned them into a super power. If not *the* super power. Whilst we stopped looking they have taken over pretty much anything. And that is how it will continue to be. Greed has caused this.

Is there a way back? can we actually get them to do anything we ask? I doubt it. People would get a serious shock if they realised their TV was going to cost three times as much because we made it here on our soil.

So good luck getting them to close their dirty markets and eating things that would make a billy goat puke (First Blood quote there).

We created a monster.
 
There's a saying "Don't s**t on your own doorstep".

This is why we moved a lot of our factories to China, and other poorer countries. We shifted all of our economics to other countries to do our dirty work. We ship our old junk computers to India and Pakistan, and Africa. Where, in India and Pakistan they have created polluted areas where they basically break down the components. It's incredibly toxic and killing people very young. But that's OK, we don't care as long as it's out of sight and out of mind.

We also ship a lot of our plastic to China and others, who then either burn or bury it. Again, it's fine so long as it isn't happening on your doorstep right? well um, no.

The very fact that China will basically do anything for a buck has turned them into a super power. If not *the* super power. Whilst we stopped looking they have taken over pretty much anything. And that is how it will continue to be. Greed has caused this.

Is there a way back? can we actually get them to do anything we ask? I doubt it. People would get a serious shock if they realised their TV was going to cost three times as much because we made it here on our soil.

So good luck getting them to close their dirty markets and eating things that would make a billy goat puke (First Blood quote there).

We created a monster.


The problem is the people in charge in the western world worship money, So long as these people have power nothing will change for the better.
 
The problem is the people in charge in the western world worship money, So long as these people have power nothing will change for the better.

Indeed. Nothing will change and we won't learn anything from this at all.

We had plenty of warnings over the years. Swine flu, SARS and god knows what else.

And we've been caught with our pants down. Totally. Politicians are lying as usual, nothing has changed at all.
 
Indeed. Nothing will change and we won't learn anything from this at all.

We had plenty of warnings over the years. Swine flu, SARS and god knows what else.

And we've been caught with our pants down. Totally. Politicians are lying as usual, nothing has changed at all.

I agree that the capitalist profit motive is the cause, or at least key exasperate, of much of these woes(Compare how say even Cuba, possibly the most brutally embargoed nation in history, has a higher life expectancy than the US, and has shown up many Western nations in their response to Covid19 so much they've been sending medicine and doctors to many much wealthier nations) but I don't think this will be a problem forever, most young people no longer agree that a profit-motivated society is suitable for the world we have ahead of us, we just have to live within one while people keep voting in the free market capitalists.

But as long as these establishment politicians can convince people to be outright scared of the concept of a society that has a regulated economy and uses human health & happiness as a barometer rather than human wealth (The word to describe this; socialism, is outright vilified in some Western countries), we will be stuck with the current system.

Not sure what the relevance to swine flu is tho, it originates from the Americas and we never stopped eating pigs because of it and probably never would.
 
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I agree that the capitalist profit motive is the cause, or at least key exasperate, of much of these woes(Compare how say even Cuba, possibly the most brutally embargoed nation in history, has a higher life expectancy than the US, and has shown up many Western nations in their response to Covid19 so much they've been sending medicine and doctors to many much wealthier nations) but I don't think this will be a problem forever, most young people no longer agree that a profit-motivated society is suitable for the world we have ahead of us, we just have to live within one while people keep voting in the free market capitalists.

But as long as these establishment politicians can convince people to be outright scared of the concept of a society that has a regulated economy and uses human health & happiness as a barometer rather than human wealth (The word to describe this; socialism, is outright vilified in some Western countries), we will be stuck with the current system.

Not sure what the relevance to swine flu is tho, it originates from the Americas and we never stopped eating pigs because of it and probably never would.


Swine flu was a warning. We didn't heed the warning. SARS was another warning, we didn't heed that either. IE we are totally unprepared. Probably why my Waitrose was just delivered by a woman with no mask and no gloves.

All of this stuff should have been ready and prepared.
 
Swine flu was a warning. We didn't heed the warning. SARS was another warning, we didn't heed that either. IE we are totally unprepared. Probably why my Waitrose was just delivered by a woman with no mask and no gloves.

All of this stuff should have been ready and prepared.
That much is true, the ironic bit is that the experts in the UK have been warning that a SARS related pandemic was essentially inevitable since 2012. The NHS created a hugely robust response plan and had a wide range of preparations. The experts learnt all the lessons, but alas the Tory govt. didn't want the bad PR of the reports into our handlings of the last pandemics so buried them. Even our usual annual flu pandemic preparations would have helped a lot here, but that was also cut down for cost reasons. As long as governments have an ideologically blind belief that the profit motive alone can drive progress we will keep hitting these pitfalls.

Even today, my dad was still unable to get leave off work, despite doing a complete non-essential job, until after both my parents had symptoms of the virus. The UK govt is still giving too much slack to companies to allow them to run out of fear they'll harm the economy. But long term, surely the harm done is worse with how many people could my dad have infected while asymptomatic, particularly my mum in the NHS, before he was finally given the opportunity to take time off work and take the kids out of school.

Often I see other nations accused of these cover up attempts to flawed government responses, but the fact is the UK, US and co are no better when it comes to dodgy cover ups, maybe just more successful at hiding their mistakes.

UK: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/03/28/cygn-m28.html

US: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-outbreak.html
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hyVEUKibEQ

This pleases me. I really hope we can do something positive with all of this, and that is to realise how lucky we are to have the NHS.

As some one who travelled a lot of the world and most notably the USA I can truly say the NHS is amazing.

When my health insurer found out I had bipolar disorder in the USA they cancelled my policy. I got to Walgreens to get my prescription and they refused, wanting nearly a thousand dollars. Which was where the slippery slope to my downfall began.
 
Yep it's a positive step, I feel with coronavirus it's locking the stable door after the horse has long bolted but hopefully it helps with any future challenges, we just have to avoid reverting back to austerity/maintain a reasonable level of funding once the mid-term coronavirus situation is over or we'll find ourselves right back here again. The NHS is incredibly efficient, statistically the most efficient out there in terms of bang for buck, but our government has been spending less money per person on healthcare than any almost other developed country for a while now and it shows.
 
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Yep it's a positive step, I feel with coronavirus it's locking the stable door after the horse has long bolted but hopefully it helps with any future challenges, we just have to avoid reverting back to austerity/maintain a reasonable level of funding once the mid-term coronavirus situation is over or we'll find ourselves right back here again. The NHS is incredibly efficient, statistically the most efficient out there in terms of bang for buck, but our government has been spending less money per person on healthcare than any almost other developed country for a while now and it shows.

We're an island. We should be one of the safest havens on earth right now. That was what I was getting at before when I said we should have closed the doors.

Instead the airports are still open, flying in more cases and letting any one in without symptoms /rolleyes. That's OK, because they are taking their temperature at the airport LOL.

But yeah, in any pandemic we should be in a top position but we just let it roll on in. I hope they learn from their mistakes.
 
We're an island. We should be one of the safest havens on earth right now. That was what I was getting at before when I said we should have closed the doors.

Instead the airports are still open, flying in more cases and letting any one in without symptoms /rolleyes. That's OK, because they are taking their temperature at the airport LOL.

But yeah, in any pandemic we should be in a top position but we just let it roll on in. I hope they learn from their mistakes.
That still wouldn't solve any issues, it would just push the pandemic further down the line, someone with covid would inevitably still come on the island at some point in the next 18 months and then you have this problem anyway. Given that multiple people with the virus were likely already in the country by mid January, and that more or less every other country in the world is impacted too, regardless of how strictly theyve locked down their borders, I don't think it would help.

In fact, I know it wouldn't help first hand, because Malta is a much smaller and easier to manage island than Britain, with only a single airport in, and they brought in some of the strictest borders in Europe, forcing anyone from any country coming in the to quarantine for at least two weeks or leave, and yet the same problems have arisen.

Even Gozo, the tiny fortress sister island off Malta's coast that my family comes from, with no direct transport links to the outside world, only an occasional ferry from Malta (Which has been stopped) has coronavirus cases. The empirical evidence is overwhelming on this one, I doubt anywhere else in Europe could physically enforce or enact a stricter detachment from the world as Gozo and yet these long impenetrable borders mean nothing to the virus, which likely passed over many many weeks before the Western world was alerted to a threat.

Regardless, this discussion is too late now(And probably always would have been), the focus should always be on making sure we can cope with pandemics for when the worst inevitably comes, trying to avoid them seems to be a fools errand unless you can seal a border for a year or two until a vaccine comes, and even then that's only useful assuming that it's specifically a type of virus that is widely symptomatic, which this isn't.
 
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Evening all.

Help me with a decision.

2080 Ti (with waterblock) now or wait for this years potential cards?

They've been delayed. Apparently officially, but I can't remember who said it.

They just released a new lineup for laptops, and they are all 20 series.

IDK dude, depends how bored you are and how much you will care when the new cards come out.

I can absolutely guarantee they will do what they have done since the 600 series, though. And that is release the 3080 which will be no faster than the 2080Ti. Many will get bored waiting for the Ti, and buy a 3080. As soon as sales slow down for the 3080 and 3070 (but the more expensive 3080 will be first obs) then they will release the Ti.

Am I Nostradamus? no, but that is how they've played their audience for years. And I don't expect them to change a single thing.

History - 680, then 670 then Titan. 770, then 780 and Titan Black and then 780Ti.. 980, then 970 and Titan Maxwell, then 980Ti. 1080, then 1070, then Titan XP, then 1080Ti, then Titan XP, then Titan Xp. Titan V. 2080, then 2070, then Titan RTX, then 2080Ti.

That way they clear out all of the suckers.
 
IDK. I personally wouldn't buy a GPU right now, but it ultimately depends on if you are willing to wait for Navi 2x or next-gen Nvidia.

I think the consoles will shift things in a big way. Lower prices on the high end are a must given the expected pricing of both consoles. AMD will likely feature solid support for the same features and consoles and age fairly well, and Nvidia's next-gen RTX will likely come with a lot of improvements.

If you have the money and want to buy now, buy now, but I'm sure the next generation of cards will change the market in a big way.
 
IDK. I personally wouldn't buy a GPU right now, but it ultimately depends on if you are willing to wait for Navi 2x or next-gen Nvidia.

I think the consoles will shift things in a big way. Lower prices on the high end are a must given the expected pricing of both consoles. AMD will likely feature solid support for the same features and consoles and age fairly well, and Nvidia's next-gen RTX will likely come with a lot of improvements.

If you have the money and want to buy now, buy now, but I'm sure the next generation of cards will change the market in a big way.

I'm not so sure dude. Mainly because the consoles will be positively made mid range by the new GPUs.

Fermi GPUs were very expensive. For back then even more so, and that was when Nvidia were totally losing in the efficiency stakes. However, they were still very expensive and would have been more so had it not been for AMD.

Then Nvidia went away from those big dies, and prices were OK for a while. However RTX goes back to those huge dies and I always knew Nvidia would want a big payday for that.

I can't see high end GPUs getting cheaper. Maybe the mid range? but they're not that expensive ATM thanks to Navi.
 
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