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He's wrong though, this isn't shrunken Polaris, it's a new much wider architecture, these dies are larger and more expensive than Polaris, they just use the same config as Polaris on 7nm but end up about twice the size a shrink would be due to the much larger CUs, only 20% smaller than Radeon VII overall.

While we don't have benchmarks yet, from Super reviews it still seems AMD have still undercut NVidia by roughly 15% while matching performance unless you specifically compared their low volume anniversary card. The 5700 non-XT is barely slower and far cheaper too. They just need to slightly undercut NVidia, any less and shareholder's would kick off as they'd be burning money with a huge undercut off the bat, you always want to gradually drop prices if you can get away with it.

His leaks had way, way, way more holes in it than just the out of reality pricing. He always tries to justify little bits of his past errors to make his future speculation look right buts it's just piles on top of piles of speculation built on wrong speculation.
 
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Just tried the HTC Vive Pro at a mates house in Elite Dangerous, Holy hell, It's a maHOOsive upgrade from the Rift CV1, Everything is so crisp and smooth, I'm tempted to now get the Valve Index, Same res as the Vive Pro ^_^
 
The Strix X470 is £185 atm, and the Crosshair is £249. Tom said it made barely any difference. Me? I would save the £65.

Are you getting a 3900x? or lower?
Planning on getting the 3700X to begin with. Then maybe the 3950X if that turns out to be a piece of silicon gold.
 
I'm just sticking with my Crosshair VII Hero, From Toms indepth review there really isn't any need to get X570 if you have a good X470 board.

Every one is saying it dude. Just saw Kitguru and they said exactly the same thing as Tom. Thing is? it's not like they all got together and said "Hey, let's all say the same thing !". These have been independent findings.
 
Yup, I suspect my 2700X is going to get "migrated" into my CH6, my 1700 is going in the garbage, and I'll be sticking to the CH7 as well. Or I might just impulse buy the CH8 too, god knows, LOL!
 
If it's the B350 Tomahawk Arctic then it has been qualified for Ryzen3000, presumably a BIOS update will come at some point if it's not already been. I think you may need the beta BIOS on MSI boards without the BIOS memory to hold the microcode for both the new and old Bristol Ridge processors.
 
If it's the B350 Tomahawk Arctic then it has been qualified for Ryzen3000, presumably a BIOS update will come at some point if it's not already been. I think you may need the beta BIOS on MSI boards without the BIOS memory to hold the microcode for both the new and old Bristol Ridge processors.

I looked for a bios update and cpu compatibility it's not showing the 3000's yet, the last bios was 30/1/19
 
I looked for a bios update and cpu compatibility it's not showing the 3000's yet, the last bios was 30/1/19
Keep an eye out. A lot of MSI boards that had a beta BIOS listed have had them removed so an official one may come soon.
On my X570 topic. I'm going to hold and get the X470 Taichi when the price drops a bit.
 
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14605/the-and-ryzen-3700x-3900x-review-raising-the-bar/6

So this was a pretty good review of non-gaming tasks. I link to this page to point you towards the last image/paragraph. As it normalizes frequency and guess what... AMD has more IPC than Intel. Very impressive.

Should read all the stuff leading up to it(the rest of the stuff on the page) as it will put it into context.

As a sidenote as great as Zen 2 is Intel is still just as impressive. The very fact that they are able to keep up in IPC with a massive disadvantage in 14nm vs 7nm says a lot about how far they used to be. Once the new Sunny Cove stuff comes out AMD will be left behind in the dust again, if rumors are true.
 
Yeah it's definitely the case that AMD has only had this opportunity to catch up because Intel hit a wall and several years of delays with 10nm, but by the time Intel can start to catch up again AMD would have had a chance to pull a lead, Sunny Cove isn't really a viable arch for performance desktop due to the ~4.1Ghz architectural limit, any IPC gains will be negated by the clock speed drop in environments not limited by TDP. It's almost certainly going to be 2021 at the earliest till Intel can bring 10nm and a truly new uarch to desktop, possibly quite late into it depending on 10nm big die yields, at which point AMD will have adopted EUV and presumably would be looking at Zens successor.
 
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