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Eddie long
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I think he would rather be a roccat keyboard lol , Happy Birthday Wraith
Dark NighT
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Happy Birthday Wraith!
I didn't think you could actually make Gove look any funnier than he already does.
Its like a blast to the past with that image. I just think of Spitting Image all over again.
As bad as Theresa May is and was, it's hard to look at any of her potential replacements and think "Yeah, they have a reasonable chance of doing a better job", especially with what they're inheriting.
Chances are we're going to have a lot of new prime ministers over the next 3 years if there isn't an early GE, the Tories are already split on who they want as a replacement, no one can command the support of the pro and anti-brexit sides like May could (as incompetent as she was when it came to policy) which is why she brought the Tories their strongest polling results since 1984, Europe has split them since the 90's and she was the puppet none of them truly hated.
If you look at polling you can see the Tories are still being held afloat by the "UKIP vote", if they want to maintain power into the next election they can't lose those voters, but they also have to keep them in a way that doesn't alienate the rest of the population. May, just about pulled it off, while losing her parliamentary majority in the process. But with the new "Brexit party" and the recent delays to Article 50 and similar that's looking like an ever more impossible task, so an early GE triggered by them seems pretty unlikely, unless they descend to a point where they'd rather lose guaranteed power than let a minister they don't agree with lead them.
Oh dear: https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1109850817010507777
Chances are we're going to have a lot of new prime ministers over the next 3 years if there isn't an early GE, the Tories are already split on who they want as a replacement, no one can command the support of the pro and anti-brexit sides like May could (as incompetent as she was when it came to policy) which is why she brought the Tories their strongest polling results since 1984, Europe has split them since the 90's and she was the puppet none of them truly hated.
If you look at polling you can see the Tories are still being held afloat by the "UKIP vote", if they want to maintain power into the next election they can't lose those voters, but they also have to keep them in a way that doesn't alienate the rest of the population. May, just about pulled it off, while losing her parliamentary majority in the process. But with the new "Brexit party" and the recent delays to Article 50 and similar that's looking like an ever more impossible task, so an early GE triggered by them seems pretty unlikely, unless they descend to a point where they'd rather lose guaranteed power than let a minister they don't agree with lead them.
Oh dear: https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1109850817010507777
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Greenback
Active member
think they are between a rock and a hard place, if she manages to pull off us leaving the EU then they lose the remain voters for a good few years, if she delays or even revokes article 50 she loses the leave voters, Obviously they are probably better losing the leave vote considering a lot are older and will pop off sooner.
I really don't think there is a simple answer to leaving the EU it's built into so much of what we and Europe do, I think Merkel and Macron have suggested the next step needed for the EU, and that is for countries to give up sovereignty and become like the USA, that would also need the Brussels side of the EU to change and have some form of elections and accountability
Going from polling, if we'd leave the EU with a Norway+, EFTA based or Common Market 2.0 style agreement we'd please the vast majority of us Remain voters as well as Leavers as well as what the EU wants. Most of us recognise the EU is a very problematic institution that needs significant reform, we just think the benefits(Primarily of the common market) still heavily outweigh any negatives for now, as any economist would agree.
The problem is the hardline Brexitiers and particularly the ERG group within the Tory part won't accept any of these compromises, they want a hard no-deal Brexit.
If you're wondering why these aristocratic old men want a No-deal, here's a hint, Jacob Rees-Mogg’s Company Accounts show c£103M profit over last 5 years, but paid £0 UK corporation tax as ultimate ownership in Cayman Islands. No contribution for schools, hospitals, roads, defence, public services, welfare etc. Upcoming EU tax laws for the common market would end this loophole and there's large crackdowns set for taxes over the next couple of years.
Pretty much every hard Brexit MP has a similar financial background, hard Brexit is about tax dodging when you get to the root of it.
The idea the EU want to create some kind of superstate exists primarily within the British press, no modern EU politician favours that model, Nordic countries in particular show the heaviest opposition to it, and the Treaty of Nice which was only a tiny step in that direction was rejected overwhelmingly. What we will instead get is likely increased cooperation between Germany and France specifically, as now they've accepted the rest of the EU don't want too close integration they are instead going the route of merged parliament sessions. The first was today.
Ironically, it was Churchill who was the strongest voice calling for a "United States of Europe" (To quote him) just after WWII. They had this discussion of Unionism vs Federalism back then and pretty much everyone agreed a system as diverse as the EU could never take a federalist approach.
The problem is the hardline Brexitiers and particularly the ERG group within the Tory part won't accept any of these compromises, they want a hard no-deal Brexit.
If you're wondering why these aristocratic old men want a No-deal, here's a hint, Jacob Rees-Mogg’s Company Accounts show c£103M profit over last 5 years, but paid £0 UK corporation tax as ultimate ownership in Cayman Islands. No contribution for schools, hospitals, roads, defence, public services, welfare etc. Upcoming EU tax laws for the common market would end this loophole and there's large crackdowns set for taxes over the next couple of years.
Pretty much every hard Brexit MP has a similar financial background, hard Brexit is about tax dodging when you get to the root of it.
The idea the EU want to create some kind of superstate exists primarily within the British press, no modern EU politician favours that model, Nordic countries in particular show the heaviest opposition to it, and the Treaty of Nice which was only a tiny step in that direction was rejected overwhelmingly. What we will instead get is likely increased cooperation between Germany and France specifically, as now they've accepted the rest of the EU don't want too close integration they are instead going the route of merged parliament sessions. The first was today.
Ironically, it was Churchill who was the strongest voice calling for a "United States of Europe" (To quote him) just after WWII. They had this discussion of Unionism vs Federalism back then and pretty much everyone agreed a system as diverse as the EU could never take a federalist approach.
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Dont understand how UK thinks it would survive with a Norway solution. Financial crisis in 2008 hit Norway hard and the only thing that kept them going was the 800billion on oil funds they had stashed away.
Does UK have anything remotely close to that as "kitty money"?
also, if EU passes laws, Norway has to shutup and take it. They still have to accept many poor decisions made by the EU and the policy is that Norway gets a seat but does NOT have any say in the matter, when it comes to the policies the country has agreed to be included on.
Does UK have anything remotely close to that as "kitty money"?
also, if EU passes laws, Norway has to shutup and take it. They still have to accept many poor decisions made by the EU and the policy is that Norway gets a seat but does NOT have any say in the matter, when it comes to the policies the country has agreed to be included on.
While Norways reliance on oil money for their sovereign wealth fund has made it the largest in the world it's hit them really hard recently and it's hard to say how well it's been playing out, they still of course have a smaller total GDP, much less foreign reserve cash, much lower revenues and roughly the same deficit of that to expenses. It's worth remembering more money flows through London every day than any other city in the world, and the financial crisis hit the banks particularly hard of course.
A lot of peoples issue with EU laws here are predominantly around fishing, agriculture, justice, immigration and home affairs which are areas a CM2/N+ style deal would allow sovereignty over. If we're leaving we lose a say on many of these economic laws that will still often have an effect on us through whatever agreement we need with the Northern Irish border to avoid violating the Good Friday agreement anyway. We'd still pay into the EU budget but it would be less than we pay now, as it's a per-service arrangement. It's more of a damage control thing than an ideal scenario for sure though.
A lot of peoples issue with EU laws here are predominantly around fishing, agriculture, justice, immigration and home affairs which are areas a CM2/N+ style deal would allow sovereignty over. If we're leaving we lose a say on many of these economic laws that will still often have an effect on us through whatever agreement we need with the Northern Irish border to avoid violating the Good Friday agreement anyway. We'd still pay into the EU budget but it would be less than we pay now, as it's a per-service arrangement. It's more of a damage control thing than an ideal scenario for sure though.
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Well Norwegians are somewhat destoying their own economy by themselves. Due to loop holes and massive tax avoidance surrounding electric cars, coupled with our high salaries, its a given to opt for the electric car. There is no tax on the car like your average petrol, free parking in E bay spots, and the city tolls are null and void.
They accounted for 50% of Tesla Model 3 pre orders globally at one point. All this craze to switch to the E-car means their own demand on petrol/oil as plummetted. I am watching the Nok vs GBP hoping to capitalise on the pound crashing, but as I see it fall, the Nok falls along side it. Quite disheartening to see really.
Gone are the days I could come to UK and splash the cash like a king knowing my actual expenditure was nothing after conversion. Now i have to limit myself.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Sell your oil to the US military. They will buy it up like a fat kid with candy lol
Pretty sure they have standards so nope
Think US already get it from the Saudi at an incredible low cost.
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Wraith
Bettyswollocks
D'you think they'll get the memo?
You don't do that up here, it becomes a courier football.
