Silverstone FT02-B-W + External 1260 RAD

CaspersBxl

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Hi all,

I just received my new cooling parts and case.

Build will be:

Some of the parts to use.
- Silverstone FT02-B-W case
- Phobya Xtreme Supernova 1260 Rad
- 6x Bitfenix 200mm fans

- 5m Feser UV white tubing
- 5L of Feser Ultra pure water
- D5 Pump with Bitspower shiny cover mod
- EK 400ml Res + EK 250ml Res

- MSI MPower Z77 Motherboard
- Intel I7 3770K CPU @ 4.8Ghz (with XS-PC block)
- Corsair Dominator GT 2133Mhz RAM (with XS-PC block)
- NVidia GTX 690 (with XS-PC block)

- Bitfenix blue sleeved 24pin and 8pin cables

- Many Bitspower Silver Shiny parts
- Koolance VL3N quick disconnects

:p
 

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Current setup

This is the current system:
 

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460x420mm rad you say? O_o'

Curious to see what you're going to make of it! Must be better than your current system, that thing looks... Not great. Unless that thing at the front is a tap that serves beer, in that case it's amazing :lol:
 
I'm not going to say I like it, cause well, I don't. I must say it looks rather 'different'
from what we're used to on here. There are way too many colours and random mods going on.
 
Very touchy subject here on OC3D haha. Can't beat external radiators in terms of performance for money, they're just not very pretty. Anyway, you're gonna have some seriously low temps with that rad! Nice case choice btw, you'll have to mod it in order to fit your tubing though.
 
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Hi all,

Thanks for all the replies!! :)

I know for some it is as much about looks, for me (I'm an engineer) it is about cooling (get the heat out of the case) ... but I like when it looks nice too, that is what I'm working on now! :)

What I'll build:
Rad is 'hidden' behind desk.
FT02 will have quick disconnects at the back to go to the rad + pump + res.

In the FT02 all XS-PC, white tubing (uv), QD to CPU, to GPU, to RAM, to DQ. Small, compact, clean.

Comments and ideas always welcome.
 
Question about external Rad loop

Hi all,

Note: Sample montage to visualize idea with old parts.

The current system is in a case i was gifed by a friend. So it had to do, and it works perfectly.
Running CPU @ 4.8Ghz. GTX 690 is stock (of course). The 4 SSD's are older models but function great (Vectrex 3)

Question:

I'm thinking about having the option that the Rad/Pump/Res can circulate on their own, or for filling.

What is your feedback on the below picture?
 

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@ Feronix : lol ... is indeed the feedback I get most ... if that is a beer-tap it is the best design ever!

@ antihero : thanks mate. Only mod will be having the Quick Disconnect in the back ... and that is not really a mod I think, it is 2 holes! :-)
 
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Hmmmmm......well it does looks " different ", as other people said.
I just cannot see the point of mounting the pump like that mate, it look very bad! You could just mount it underneath the res. Also tubing is a "LITTLE" mess dude, I don't know why did you used 45" out of the res?
And yeah the last thing is your rad...you don't really need 360 just for CPU, unless you have a space for it inside the case. 240 will do just fine.

I hope that your new build will be much better than your current one.

Also one more thing about your "Sample montage to visualize idea", don't try to make you loop unnecessary complicated, and messy.
 
well someone once told me my first rig had won the kill by fire award think its time to hand the award on know :rolleyes:
 
well someone once told me my first rig had won the kill by fire award think its time to hand the award on know :rolleyes:

I think you may be right. So you need to make the new rig epic mate. No excuses here tbh. Just remember ask questions and dont just rush it.

If you cba to plan it dont moan when we tell you where you went wrong.
 
I think you may be right. So you need to make the new rig epic mate. No excuses here tbh. Just remember ask questions and dont just rush it.

If you cba to plan it dont moan when we tell you where you went wrong.

Yeah he is right:)
Maybe from now on you can use it "OC3D kill with fire award" for some crappy stuff, that some manufactures do:lol::lol::lol:
 
:lol: Well, if I can help I'll take that "Burn It" award from you!

The GTX690 is recent (before Titan was announced). I used to have a 7970 in there, that one was cooled with a EK block, like the CPU. Hence the 360 rad.


@Tom: It used to be worse! It cools very well though and is very silent.
Should I take the as-is off to avoid killing people by shock?

Ideas are welcome. Rad will be external (of course) together with Res and pump.
I'll use the a PCI bracket 2x G1/4 pass-trough to get the loop out of the case.


All, I hope to put some "nice" and clean pics of the new build soon.
 
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Have a look at my build log if you haven't already, as I've done the external radiator thing (MO-RA3) with a FT02 case, link in sig. Performance and sound wise it's great, but some pointers to help you on your way.

- The rear of the FT02 is thicker than you probably think, at 6mm.

- Depending on the size of you QDC's you have some drilling in front of you. The QD3's that I used were 18mm (bulkhead fittings), and since a drill chuck is 13mm max, you'll need some reduced shank drill bits like these:

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- Hopefully you'll be aware that the metal shards will go everywhere so do not be temped to drill with any components in! Might sound a bit obvious but I've heard people do worse. Wear goggles, oil lightly and drill progressively.

- It's a shame you already have the VLN quick disconnects as the newer QD3's (QD3-F10X13 and QD3-MFG4-P) are far better, and not that more expensive. These really lose not a drop when disconnected! Really impressed with them.

- Not sure how you are using the QDC's, did you get the bulkhead version? If not, how are you passing the tubing through the case? If you're using a grommet then you'll need a method to ensure you don't pull the tubing when disconnecting. Please don't pass the tubing through bare metal!!

- How are you cabling up the fan wires? Don't skimp out and just throw them in the top opening of the FT02; make connectors for them so you can isolate the fan power as well as the water when you need to move it.

- I didn't see it in your pics, but you'll need a stand and fan grills for your rad. It'll look crap and half finished without them, as well as risk toppling and things getting caught. Consider making it a feature ;).

- Hidden behind a desk isn't the best place for a radiator. Sure the cool air is usually at floor level, but so is all the fluff, dust and what-not of the normal household. Also, there will be no true airflow, and all you will create is a pocket of ever warming air circulating around your radiator, defeating the purpose of such an awesome radiator. Consider moving it to a place where the rad can breathe.

- Your loop - hmm. The usual thing is to have res -> pump at the very least, so when filling you can use the pump to start fluid moving when gravity no longer works. The line with the valve between the pump and res is useless and ill-conceived - all it's going to do is pump water in 3 directions - some in the rad, some in the res (and cause it to fill up, fill with bubbles, and perhaps subject it to pressure it wasn't intended for) and some in to the case loop that you attempted to isolate (if you open the valve when connected to the pc loop). If it's to circulate the coolant to remove bubbles - it won't; as said before it'll just generate more. Keep it simple - in and out. Use your QDC's when it comes time to drain and flush.

- How are you controlling the fan speeds of the radiator? Setting it and leaving it? If so fair enough, but you are missing out on running that radiator passively, a real boon for rads of this size. I've tested many methods with my set up and for me the best way was varying the rad fans speed depending on the coolant temperature. After all, that's what the radiator does isn't it, cool the coolant? If the coolant is cool or warm and within limits, why continue to run the fans as you'll never get it below ambient (bad if you do) and it's not doing anything to cool the case either. When the water is a particular temp kick in the fans (difficult to judge manually, granted, automate it :p ).

You wanted advice, hopefully it came across as constructive! Good luck with your build and if you want any more pointers, just ask.
 
@Mysterae: Thank you for all the great input. Most valuable!

As for the rad-stand, Phobya makes one for the 1260 but I did not find a shop or close-by internet shop that carries them. I'll have another look to make sure. (if not now, I'll order one a bit later on and make it a feature. I did have a good look at the MO-RA (very great looking kit).

Simplifying the external loop and reducing complexity is a good idea and I certainly will.

I did check for the QD3 but they where not on stock, so I got the VL3N.
I ve ordered a PCI bracket G1/4 to get out of the case, so no holes need to be drilled.

I had thought to run the fans at a constant low speed, or with manual control. The suggestion to automate is a good idea, it is something I can work towards in the future.


Many thanks for all the great input and insight. I'll do my best to work it out nicely, and keep some items for a later date (and spread the cost a bit as the track-day season is there as well).


I also checked out your build. I looks very nice with those solid tubes. I did not dare to go solid to be honest. I was thinking about the not-so-fixed tubing ... is this not a "scary" part of solid tubing? I'm not sure they would not pop-out when moving the system a bit or so.

Thanks again.
 
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Sounds like your sorted and have thought about the issues I raised.

I missed the bit about the bracket for the QDC's, good idea those, just look out for the odd trickle of coolant when you disconnect, that's what put me off them (and the required routing).

The push-fit connectors are solid, trust me. I noticed this in the many times I took them apart testing the best tube paths. The internal blades of the fittings ensure they don't come out, but survive a road trip - I don't know.

Good luck with your build, and on the track! (I'm at Silverstone in a month in a AMV8 Vantage :D ). What's your weapon of choice?
 
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