Should i wait?

[nothingspecial]

No BIOS update needed, they are 1155 socket exactly the same as SB. PCI-E 3.0 is backwards compatible with PCI-E 2 so they will work in PCI-E 2.0 boards the PCI-E controller will just run at PCI-E 2.0 levels, so it doesn't affect their ability to run on non Gen 3 mobos.

It's nice to see Intel not forcing a new socket for a change.

I was thinking of the PCIe versions with the BIOS update. I'm probably being a complete noob in thinking that, but if it's a voltage bump and data encode/decode changed across the board that could be done right? Or is the controller on a discrete chip elsewhere on the board?

 

[SieB]

The controller is on the CPU but if it's in a PCI-E 2 mobo it will run at PCI-E 2 specs so there's no need to change anything. But to run at PCI-E 3 you will need a mobo that has PCI-E 3 like this one

http://www.dabs.com/products/asrock...le&utm_medium=product+search&utm_content=Q200

 

[Ya93sin]

PCI-E 3.0 is something that's nice to have, but completely irrelevant. Its not going to be the limiting factor in the lifetime of any Ivy Bridge chip (by this I mean while it is still the top mid range set of chips being pushed by Intel, not say 5 years into the future).

Deffo.

It wouldn't surprise me if Nvidia, say, had the tech to do it soon. They won't though. They'll just keep letting new cards dribble out that slowly become better and better.

IB could be delayed due to the big mess up with SB. Or, they could be waiting for AMD to play their hand with Bulldozer? I would go for the former maybe? given that I'm sure they see BD as nothing to worry about.

I think nVidia and AMD have probably had the technical know how and perhaps the means to produce the coming 600/7000 series chips respectively for a couple years now, but I suppose while there's not enough demand they chose not to release it.

Perhaps the benefit of this is that they have the time to refine the technology, and get prices going a bit further down

I imagine these new GPUs are going to cost a lot

I guess the manus have simply ran out of ideas on how to make something sound uber exciting and screw you out of a buck

I wish it wasn't that way but it probably is

Maybe Intel has decided to split their consumer CPUs into 3 tiers, with appropriate motherboards. Or even two (Mainstream and Enthusiast). So say mainstream is LGA1155 atm, supporting Ivy/Sandy Bridge, and Enthusiast is LGA2011, supporting Sandy/!?Ivy?! Bridge-E

Maybe a bit similar to FM1 and FM2 coming out of AMD at the moment.

If it was up to me, the thing I'd look at for improving is the onboard sound, I don't really have many complaints about the Z68 chipset, maybe it should have had proper USB 3.0 but ah well.

 

[SieB]

PCI-E 3.0 is something that's nice to have, but completely irrelevant. Its not going to be the limiting factor in the lifetime of any Ivy Bridge chip (by this I mean while it is still the top mid range set of chips being pushed by Intel, not say 5 years into the future).

I know, I never said it was and I wasn't even saying you need it. What I was trying to explain is that Ivy Bridge CPUs will work in non PCI-E 3 motherboards but to be able to use PCI-E 3 you will need a motherboard with PCI-E 3 other wise the CPU will run at PCI-E 2 specs. And I was also saying that there is no need for a BIOS update because the Ivy bridge is the same socket 1155 and the PCI-E 3 controller on the CPU will run at PCI-E 2 specs so they will work in current P67 and Z68 mobos without any performance drops.

I also wouldn't say PCI-E 3 is irrelevant, who knows what will be out in a years time, not saying that there will be anything that will use it's full potential but it's better to buy a motherboard that has it now rather than have to pay for it later. Plus no one is going to buy a PCI-E 2 one when PCI-E 3 come out anyway and why would they

I imagine these new GPUs are going to cost a lot

They should cost the same as current ones or slightly less, they are 28nm so they are smaller and cheaper to make. The Nvidia 6xxx series are rumored to have 3x improvement performance to Watt too so they will run on a lot less power which also means they will run a lot cooler as well .

 

[Ya93sin]

I know, I never said it was and I wasn't even saying you need it. What I was trying to explain is that Ivy Bridge CPUs will work in non PCI-E 3 motherboards but to be able to use PCI-E 3 you will need a motherboard with PCI-E 3 other wise the CPU will run at PCI-E 2 specs. And I was also saying that there is no need for a BIOS update because the Ivy bridge is the same socket 1155 and the PCI-E 3 controller on the CPU will run at PCI-E 2 specs so they will work in current P67 and Z68 mobos without any performance drops.

I also wouldn't say PCI-E 3 is irrelevant, who knows what will be out in a years time, not saying that there will be anything that will use it's full potential but it's better to buy a motherboard that has it now rather than have to pay for it later. Plus no one is going to buy a PCI-E 2 one when PCI-E 3 come out anyway and why would they

They should cost the same as current ones or slightly less, they are 28nm so they are smaller and cheaper to make. The Nvidia 6xxx series are rumored to have 3x improvement performance to Watt too so they will run on a lot less power which also means they will run a lot cooler as well .

Dw, none of that was aimed at you, its just for everyone

 

[alienware]

2011 is the Sandy Bridge-E (extreme) CPUs, Ivy Bridge is just 1155 Sandy Bridge but with a die shrink 22nm, a PCI-E 3.0 controller and Intel's new 3D transistors.

PCI-E 3.0 will have double the bandwidth of 2 but because it's backwards compatible with 2 the controller on the CPU won't prevent you from running them on a non PCI-E 3 mobo.

Ugh my head is spinning

 

[KING_OF_SAND]

They should cost the same as current ones or slightly less, they are 28nm so they are smaller and cheaper to make.

What?! Sense when?

 

[Luger718]

What?! Sense when?

lol cpus are the cheapests things to make ....... now to figure out how to make em faster cost a couple hundred million

 

[Excalabur50]

The reason for the delay of the Sandybridge-E release is because there are no pcie 3 graphics cards for intel to test before release. Also from what ive managed to gleen is Ivybridge will run on 1155 mobo's and later there will be an ivybridge for the 2011 sandybridge-e mobo's, also there is no indication yet the new 28nm graphics cards are going to be pcie3 or not.

 

[SieB]

Ugh my head is spinning

So was mine till I did the research on Ivy and the rest of it.

What?! Sense when?

the smaller a CPU/GPU the more they can make at once making them cheaper to produce

This is how processors are produced

The smaller they are the more you can fit on to one of those and the more you can make at once using less material meaning lower costs.

The reason for the delay of the Sandybridge-E release is because there are no pcie 3 graphics cards for intel to test before release. Also from what ive managed to gleen is Ivybridge will run on 1155 mobo's and later there will be an ivybridge for the 2011 sandybridge-e mobo's, also there is no indication yet the new 28nm graphics cards are going to be pcie3 or not.

That's not true they don't need a pci-e 3 card to test the motherboards and no one knows the reason why they have been delayed because Intel have not said. Also Asrock has already released their GEN 3 mobo

http://www.dabs.com/...tm_content=Q200

So if the reason for Intel delaying SB-E was because they had no PCI-E 3 cards to test the mobos on then Asrock wouldn't have been able to release their PCI-E 3 mobo.

And as for there being no indication of the new GPUs being PCI-E 3...

http://www.techpower...liant.html?cp=1

It's also pretty obvious they will be as well or why else would they be releasing PCI-E 3 motherboards

 

[Ya93sin]

The reason for the delay of the Sandybridge-E release is because there are no pcie 3 graphics cards for intel to test before release. Also from what ive managed to gleen is Ivybridge will run on 1155 mobo's and later there will be an ivybridge for the 2011 sandybridge-e mobo's, also there is no indication yet the new 28nm graphics cards are going to be pcie3 or not.

So what, they are going to delay it indefinitely while we wait a couple years for a card or SSD set up that can hit the bandwidth limit? No.

Ugh my head is spinning

Sandy Bridge (32nm), Ivy Bridge (22nm). Both compatible with the LGA1155 socket, and the H67/P67/Z68 chipsets. Mainstream. Ivy Bridge is a die shrink as Intel moves from 32nm-->22nm, and performance will usually increase about 20% when this happens, and you get better temperatures and so on. Releasing Late Q4 2011 or Q1 2012.

Sandy Bridge E (32nm). As fast as Intel are ever going to go on 32nm. Works with the new LGA2011 socket, on the X79 chipset. Enthusiast. This is the stuff most people on the forum are excited about, its the equivalent of X58. Releasing maybe Q3 2011, most likely Q4 2011 or even Q1 2012 because it has no competition so there is no rush.

 

[Excalabur50]

Well SieB the link you gave said probably pcie3 not that they will be and I cannot find the website now where they stated that the two main reasons for the delay in sandybridge-e's was because of the pcie3 not being able to be tested and also because the boards couldn't handle as many sata devices as they initialy claimed they were going to aim for a Christmas release with the extra sata and the pcie3 not activated on the boards and with them going to be unlocked later thru possibly a bios update.

 

[AdrianD2]

Why would they keep SB-E on the 32nm if they've already got the 22nm out?

 

[Ya93sin]

Well SieB the link you gave said probably pcie3 not that they will be and I cannot find the website now where they stated that the two main reasons for the delay in sandybridge-e's was because of the pcie3 not being able to be tested and also because the boards couldn't handle as many sata devices as they initialy claimed they were going to aim for a Christmas release with the extra sata and the pcie3 not activated on the boards and with them going to be unlocked later thru possibly a bios update.

Sandy Bridge E has nothing to do with PCI-E 3.0, and its delay is also nothing to do with PCI-E 3.0.

 

[Ya93sin]

Why would they keep SB-E on the 32nm if they've already got the 22nm out?

Sandy Bridge E is the fastest that 32nm will go, and Ivy Bridge is like the tester for Intel's move to 22nm. There will be something along the lines of Ivy Bridge E, which will be as fast as 22nm will go, then they might move down to 18nm or something, I'm not sure exactly.

 

[Excalabur50]

Sandy Bridge E has nothing to do with PCI-E 3.0, and its delay is also nothing to do with PCI-E 3.0.

Here is the link where they said one of the delays possibly was due to Pcie 3

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/08/02/intels-sandy-bridge-e-said-to-slip-again/

 

[Ya93sin]

Doubt it mate, the delay would surely have been a bit longer to get PCI-E 3.0. As it is, the delay turned out to not be that major, so perhaps it was a similar issue to the one Sandy Bridge had (i.e. the B3 revisions after there was a SATA related degradation problem

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