Ryzen 3000 series listed at retailer, including a 16-core Ryzen 9 3800X

[AlienALX]

That would be a good idea. Like, clock limiting them on older boards.

In theory VRM should reach a certain temp, then throttle the power output. Unfortunately if this is poorly implemented you end up with a fire lol (glares at MSI). However, when implemented properly in a decent bios it's perfectly safe.

I had three 8320 set ups in the end. The first was on an Asrock that was awful (4+1). However, the second was an Asus M5A97 something and that was only 4+2. However, it was very clever in so much that if you set the voltage any higher than 1.35v it would simply refuse to try and output it. Meaning you could safely clock an 8 core to around 4.3ghz or so remaining completely safe. Which was cool.

Then of course I had the Crosshair, and that thing was just nuts. That really did tap out CPUs haha.

 

[Nerdfighter]

Exciting news if true. The 3800X will probably need a 8+4pin motherboard, but the 3700X has the same TDP as the 2700X so backwards compatibility should be better. 12-cores, better IPC and 5GHz clock speed is going to be a nice upgrade, especially to people upgrading from 1st gen Ryzen, and should really give Intel a run for their money.

I'm wondering what AMD will do pricing-wise. Since they're apparently creating a new "9" tier much like Intel, are they going also follow Intel and price the 3800X similarly to their HEDT equivalent 2950X? Or are they willing to cut into Threadripper 2 sales until Threadripper 3 comes out, and price the Ryzen 9 3800X around the $550-600 mark to compete with the i9 9900K? I guess we'll find out soon enough

 

[RobM]

Sandy to Ivy was a die shrink and the boards all worked. I really can't see AMD making you need a new motherboard. Mostly because they would lose more than they gain. IE customers, over sales.

The longer they can keep people on the same board the higher the chance they have of coaxing people into buying a new CPU. They may release a new chipset but they just have, so we will see. What they won't do (unless they're daft) is release the same socket with a different chipset that doesn't work on older chips, and vice versa. That would cause mass confusion.

True but they did a chipset change on the last iteration of Ryzen so I reckon whilst they 3000s will work on 3/4 series chipset they will need a 5 series to get the most benefit.

 

[AlienALX]

If the CPUs are limited to 5ghz then the power use shouldn't be terrible on lower cored chips. Like for example, due to the quite big shrink the 12 core should not be any hotter or use any more power than, say, the 1700x did. There are huge benefits to shrinking, this is why Intel continue to push as hard as they can in the face of defeat.

It's kinda like I said before, pretty much everything is going to be unknown because we've never been here before. God, it's so exciting in a way tbh...

If they do clock to all core stable at 5ghz? wow, Intel are in big, big trouble. I mean, even if that's pretty lame for 7nm we won't find out for quite a while either way, so sales are going to be pure 100% in AMD's favour. Quite literally to the point where you would be crazy to buy anything else.

Dang. Like, let that sink in for a moment. I mean, I knew Ryzen would be good but this? jesus, this really is like the best time AMD will have ever had. Even with the Tbirds and other Athlons that were quite superb AMD still had the name problem. However, due to the way things unfolded (quite ugly) over the coming years with Intel being so nasty and greed driven? FFS, they could not have handed it over on a plate any better.

Mind share is already starting to see that AMD are now a big player. They weren't before. I knew countless people who bought the P4 with RDram. More than people who bought the Athlons that were completely slaying them.

But now? dear lord.

If they can keep prices down and keep board prices sensible? I can see both of my rigs getting swapped out.

True but they did a chipset change on the last iteration of Ryzen so I reckon whilst they 3000s will work on 3/4 series chipset they will need a 5 series to get the most benefit.

You would be amazed how many people have boards with no benefits or frills. I mean, even boards with just two memory banks.

You don't need all of that superfluous crap for gaming man. Or basic tasks. The only thing I can really see on the horizon that may be a must have is PCIE 4 and before I get excited about that I personally would need to see PCIE 3 saturated in my rigs and causing a problem.

 

[grec]

There will no doubt be a 500 series chipset, which will have some features slapped on, but it won't be a compatibility-impacting thing. I doubt there will be much active control over what boards the CPU's go into either, even a 4-pin CPU connector with a reasonable 4 phase VRM can comfortably handle 150W, so a 125W TDP part should be fine even with modest overclocks on any board with an 8-pin connector.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Hope this is true. That would be some insane performance uplift

 

[DaveLTX]

The TDPs on the leaks are pretty good. I think 1800X was also 125W? So I suspect they should run at least on more premium older boards like X370/X470 maybe B350/450 depending on the motherboard manufacturer.

For more detailed information on the latest Ryzen (and Navi) check out AdoredTV on YouTube. He had a 3850X that topped out at 5.1GHz, though it was expected to not be announced at CES

1800X is not 125W. Official limit for non XFR operation is 95W.

 

[Dicehunter]

I should imagine power support would be the same as Ryzen 2000 working on 300 series boards, in that like-for-like CPUs have similar power requirements. Bear in mind that the 7nm shrink gives either 1.25x performance at the same power or 50% power at the same clocks, so in theory you'd have roughly the same power requirements for a 16c/32t Ryzen 3000 on 7nm as you would a 8c/16t Ryzen 2000 on 12nm at the same clocks. I don't see any reason why a 12c/24t Ryzen 7 3700X couldn't work on a chunky X470 board, even with it's rumoured 5GHz boost clock.

But those 2 16c/32t Ryzen 9s will probably be locked to new X570 boards to be on the safe side; that anniversary edition 3850X is rumoured to have a 5.1GHz boost clock.

If AMD want to shoot themselves in the foot then yeah they will lock their top chip to a new motherboard but I cannot see this happening as 1 of AMD's main drawing points is the socket compatibility with future products.

What I can see happening is that there will be a list of recommended X370 and X470 boards for best compatibility and strong VRM's but not locking it to the 500 series chipset.

 

[AlienALX]

There will no doubt be a 500 series chipset, which will have some features slapped on, but it won't be a compatibility-impacting thing. I doubt there will be much active control over what boards the CPU's go into either, even a 4-pin CPU connector with a reasonable 4 phase VRM can comfortably handle 150W, so a 125W TDP part should be fine even with modest overclocks on any board with an 8-pin connector.

Yeah that is what I am thinking. I mean, 4xx chipset didn't really bring any meat and potatoes to the table. There was no reason at all to change your board.

Well, unless you were quite dim like my friend's boss who bought the new TR and got the MSI Meg board when he already had a Zenith. That's daft lol. So yeah the MSI might have better phases but I would still take the Zenith any day.

Mind you, my friend ended up getting it cheap so fair play lol.

If AMD want to shoot themselves in the foot then yeah they will lock their top chip to a new motherboard but I cannot see this happening as 1 of AMD's main drawing points is the socket compatibility with future products.

What I can see happening is that there will be a list of recommended X370 and X470 boards for best compatibility and strong VRM's but not locking it to the 500 series chipset.

Yeah in fairness any one who invested in even a reasonable 3xx board will be fine now. I can't see the Crosshair getting its panties in a bunch with more, yet far more frugal cores.

If I go Ryzen I will make sure to get a reasonable board. Do my homework first, make phases the most important part. Probably an Asrock Taichi or something like that. Something with slightly less frills, but a very solid power stage.

 

[ImprovizoR]

Alright. Hype is real now.