Rumour has it that AMD's "Big Navi" GPU isn't a powerful as expected

[WYP]

Maybe Big Navi isn't an "Nvidia killer".



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[Dicehunter]

I'm so shocked......

 

[Bagpuss]

They could be faster and cheaper than the 3xxx cards but I still wouldn't touch one, given the appalling standard of AMD's drivers.

With this in mind, AMD's next-generation flagship is expected to be an RTX 3080 competitor.

..Potential GPU enthusiast customers may be disappointed with this but for AMD I bet they will be more than happy to have a stack of Navi cards that can match 95% of what Nvidia has to offer.

..I doubt leaving the 5% of people willing to pay the $1000+ for a 'Ti' class GPU to Nvidia, is something AMD will lose sleep over.

 

[AlienALX]

" Coreteks reports that AMD's next-generation flagship will only be 15% more powerful than Nvidia's RTX 2080 Ti, and that is in "optimised" titles. "


Hang on. The last I read or watched about it their flagship was going to be as good as a 2080Ti and every one lost their s**t because they were so happy about that. Now it is supposed to be an Nvidia 3000 killer and it's "only" 15% faster in optimised titles?

Who cares? the 2080Ti is, and still will be, more than enough for any one for years to come. People are still getting 60 FPS and are very happy with RX 580s ffs.

This stuff all really makes me laugh. It really does. Like, when the RX 470 and 480 were about to launch we were told in quite clear English that it would compete with the GTX 970 and 980 and no more. Yet people were disappointed and actually thought Polaris was crap because it wasn't a 980Ti killer. All because some d1ck head got excited and started to exaggerate.

Makes me laugh, man. If AMD come up with a card as fast as a 2080Ti it will be a MASSIVE success for them, and us.

 

[Bridges]

They could be faster and cheaper than the 3xxx cards but I still wouldn't touch one, given the appalling standard of AMD's drivers.

AMD drivers are at least as good as Nvidias and the software is better.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

I never really expected a top end killer. The 2080Ti class is quite niche. It's too expensive for most gamers but isn't profitable enough for the prosumer and business categories. It makes sense that a 2080Ti +15% will offer similar performance to an RTX 3080 at a lower price. If an RTX 3080 is €750 and the RX is €700 with the same performance and power consumption, that's an Nvidia killer. It's a card that handily beats another card from a much bigger company. Hence Nvidia killer. Still massive hyberpole, but that's AMD for you. And if AMD compete in everything below an RTX 3080, RDNA2 will be a huge success. And it should improve as next gen consoles become the new norm.

 

[Warchild]

AMD drivers are at least as good as Nvidias and the software is better.

There are far more reports of AMD black screens and driver problems than Nvidia. And given that Nvidia sell lets say twice as many cards, that tells you alot.

The software is good though I agree.

 

[grec]

There are far more reports of AMD black screens and driver problems than Nvidia. And given that Nvidia sell lets say twice as many cards, that tells you alot.

The software is good though I agree.

To be fair, these issues with RX5000 are usually down to certain "problem SKUs", most AMD cards with mindfactory and others have RMA rates similar to their NVidia counterparts, then a few SKU's from certain brands will have like 10% RMA rates. Research on the drivers themselves haven't found any stand out problems in the past, though I haven't seen any further research on that since RX5000.

Still though, the thing AMD has been really missing these past 5 or so years is not an absolute top end smacker, it's a high end card that can maintain something loosely resembling a profit margin while still being price competitive. RDNA1 has already delivered them very healthy marketshare gains with only minor undercuts in the mid to low end markets, if they can step that up a little notch and do it across the board they'll be golden for now.

 

[jcchg]

Just a day after Rick Bergman says they would offer enthusiasts the best (?).

 

[Warchild]

To be fair, these issues with RX5000 are usually down to certain "problem SKUs", most AMD cards with mindfactory and others have RMA rates similar to their NVidia counterparts, then a few SKU's from certain brands will have like 10% RMA rates. Research on the drivers themselves haven't found any stand out problems in the past, though I haven't seen any further research on that since RX5000.

Still though, the thing AMD has been really missing these past 5 or so years is not an absolute top end smacker, it's a high end card that can maintain something loosely resembling a profit margin while still being price competitive. RDNA1 has already delivered them very healthy marketshare gains with only minor undercuts in the mid to low end markets, if they can step that up a little notch and do it across the board they'll be golden for now.

im not talking about RMA. IM talking about years and years of "driver has stopped working" or black screens going back as far as fury X. Or poor FPS which was fixed via driver updates months after AAA title X had been released on the market.

And the reason why driver problems hadnt stood out is because they could never solve the issue and it carried over from driver to driver.

My partner has an R9 290 just to play warhammer, even to this day, she still has issues which get resolved by doing a DDU and re install. I don't even need to show her anything, shes more experienced with the problems than I am.

 

[demonking]

It all comes down to the price.
Big navi top end, 2080ti performance, 2070 pricing fine. 2080ti performance, 2080/ti release prices, then it better do more than render pixels on my screen and heat my room.
On them having the best, honestly who really cares. I can't afford a Ferrari and even if I could, i'd be stupid to drive to work everyday unless I can do top speed on every road between me and work.
4k monitors are still expensive, WQHD are still a bit above the majority of gamers budgets and 1080p is still the lions share of gaming
I want AMD to do better but mostly for the reason to bring Nvidia back into line with pricing. I mean its a months salary for a huge part of the UK to buy a 2080ti and its ludicrous.

 

[Dicehunter]

It all comes down to the price.
Big navi top end, 2080ti performance, 2070 pricing fine. 2080ti performance, 2080/ti release prices, then it better do more than render pixels on my screen and heat my room.
On them having the best, honestly who really cares. I can't afford a Ferrari and even if I could, i'd be stupid to drive to work everyday unless I can do top speed on every road between me and work.
4k monitors are still expensive, WQHD are still a bit above the majority of gamers budgets and 1080p is still the lions share of gaming
I want AMD to do better but mostly for the reason to bring Nvidia back into line with pricing. I mean its a months salary for a huge part of the UK to buy a 2080ti and its ludicrous.

This !

If big Navi is around 15% faster than a 2080 Ti, Which is now 2 years old so not really a big wow factor, It needs to come in extraordinarily cheap otherwise it's a no go.

 

[jcchg]

This !

If big Navi is around 15% faster than a 2080 Ti, Which is now 2 years old so not really a big wow factor, It needs to come in extraordinarily cheap otherwise it's a no go.

2080 Super performance for $399 and I would buy it. Additionally, the top chip, +10% 2080Ti, for $599.

 

[looz]

2080 Super performance for $399 and I would buy it. Additionally, the top chip, +10% 2080Ti, for $599.

Honestly I'd be willing to stretch to $650 if it also stops global warming and brings world peace.

 

[ImprovizoR]

What does it even mean that it doesn't perform as expected? Expected by whom? What expectations are they comparing this to?

 

[Daiyus]

2080 Super performance for $399 and I would buy it. Additionally, the top chip, +10% 2080Ti, for $599.

So you expect 2080 Ti beating performance for practically half the price?

Don't get me wrong, I think everyone wants that, but I can't realistically see it happening. This seems to be AMD's biggest hurdle; people seem to expect better performance for ridiculously low prices when compared to nVidia.

Comparative performance for an attractively lower price is what I foresee. Right now I wouldn't buy a 2080 Ti when I can have about 70-80% of the performance for 35% of the price with a 5700 XT.

nVidia has proven that $1000+ high-tier products sell, and just like when RAM prices got hiked, we'll never see them come back down to what they were before because sales don't slow down enough at those high prices.

AMD being competitive will help, but I can't imagine getting 2080 Ti grunt for less than $600 for another few generations yet, even from nVidia.

 

[Warchild]

2080ti at 50% cost?

Never going to happen. They have spent millions on R&D here, they need to claw that back before they push forward with revision 2,3 and 4 etc.

 

[Dark NighT]

Expect the 2080ti equivalent to be in the 800 range at the very least, these won't be cheap cards like the golden days of 600 being the top end, people need to move on from that, even though it sucks hard.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

So you expect 2080 Ti beating performance for practically half the price?

Don't get me wrong, I think everyone wants that, but I can't realistically see it happening. This seems to be AMD's biggest hurdle; people seem to expect better performance for ridiculously low prices when compared to nVidia.

Comparative performance for an attractively lower price is what I foresee. Right now I wouldn't buy a 2080 Ti when I can have about 70-80% of the performance for 35% of the price with a 5700 XT.

nVidia has proven that $1000+ high-tier products sell, and just like when RAM prices got hiked, we'll never see them come back down to what they were before because sales don't slow down enough at those high prices.

AMD being competitive will help, but I can't imagine getting 2080 Ti grunt for less than $600 for another few generations yet, even from nVidia.

I agree. While Turing was grossly overpriced and offered largely the same performance per dollar as Pascal, for AMD to beat a 2080Ti in rasterisation while also introducing Ray Tracing, while also putting them in consoles, all for half the price is just too much to ask for. I believe AMD can better a 2080Ti, but I think it'll be $700 at a minimum. Radeon VII was $700, was a much smaller die size, but it only competed with the 2080. AMD will sell their cards at the highest possible price they can. If Nvidia has a 3080 at $800 that is 20% faster than a 2080Ti, AMD only has to have a card that beats the 2080Ti by 15-20% and be $750. It'll have marginally better performance per dollar than Nvidia and that's all AMD needs.

 

[AlienALX]

The more Nvidia charge the more AMD can charge.

Cheap high end GPUs are a thing of the past. It's over. Mostly because Nvidia really haven't found another way to make money hand over fist so they are now doing it solely on GPU sales.