Report claims that there is "no reason" why Z370 can't support Kaby Lake

[WYP]

Intel has reportedly restricted Z370's firmware to prevent backwards compatibility.



Read more on Intel's reported restriction of backwards compatibility on Z370.

 

[Dicehunter]

I know the reason, Greed, Plain and simple, Greed.

 

[Gothmoth]

LOL....

It is understandable why Intel would restrict Z370 in this way, provided this information is true, as Z370 backwards compatibility would add a lot of confusion into the mix, likely causing many to assume that Z270 or even Z170 motherboards also support Coffee Lake, given their use of the same LGA 1151 socket design.

yeah and as we all know avoiding confusion is a top priority at intel.

that is why we get kaby lake-x cpus who can only use half the memory slots on x299.
and all the PCI lane mess on x299 is all to avoid confusion.

 

[Kaapstad]

Too much backwards compatibility in intel CPUs which makes them slow and clumsy compared to newer options.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

For those haters immediately jumping to conclusions:

Coffee Lake vs KBL/SKL Pin Diagrams: 146 vs 128 VCC Pins

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/73s6u3/coffee_lake_vs_kblskl_pin_diagrams_146_vs_128_vcc/

And more here: http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Coffee-Lake-Codename-266775/News/Z270-Inkompatibilitaet-Grund-1240154/

Translation: Intel had allocated some pins, which had previously supplied the integrated graphics unit with power, to the CPU cores. In addition, there have been unused pins, which are already used by the motherboard manufacturers for voltage supply. On the Z270 boards, Intel had assigned this a fixed function. The result: Coffee-Lake S-CPUs could literally burn on high-end Z270 models, because they got too high tensions over these pins.

Now let's give this a rest.

 

[Dicehunter]

For those haters immediately jumping to conclusions:

Coffee Lake vs KBL/SKL Pin Diagrams: 146 vs 128 VCC Pins

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/73s6u3/coffee_lake_vs_kblskl_pin_diagrams_146_vs_128_vcc/

And more here: http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Coffee-Lake-Codename-266775/News/Z270-Inkompatibilitaet-Grund-1240154/

Translation: Intel had allocated some pins, which had previously supplied the integrated graphics unit with power, to the CPU cores. In addition, there have been unused pins, which are already used by the motherboard manufacturers for voltage supply. On the Z270 boards, Intel had assigned this a fixed function. The result: Coffee-Lake S-CPUs could literally burn on high-end Z270 models, because they got too high tensions over these pins.

Now let's give this a rest.

Or looking at in from a neutral point of view instead of labelling everyone a hater that criticises a brand, Maybe a lot of people have simply gotten used to Intels new socket every year tactic which in some cases was a bit unnecessary.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Or looking at in from a neutral point of view instead of labelling everyone a hater that criticises a brand, Maybe a lot of people have simply gotten used to Intels new socket every year tactic which in some cases was a bit unnecessary.

Not everyone, only those who like derailing threads with nonsense across multiple fora

Even if the above wasn't a fact, I'm aware that either or both Intel and board vendors would have still refrained from compatibility; they need to make money at the end of the day.

 

[AlienALX]

they need to make money at the end of the day.

Don't you think they make enough then?

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Don't you think they make enough then?

Have you heard of a company saying "yeah we've made enough, let's not do this or that"? Or better still, you tell your boss to halve your salary this month because you made enough? I find that pretty naive.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Have you heard of a company saying "yeah we've made enough, let's not do this or that"? Or better still, you tell your boss to halve your salary this month because you made enough? I find that pretty naive.

That was not his point.

He is saying they make enough off screwing people with higher costing products YET are making more per CPU sold due to a higher profit margin per CPU sold. They are increasing costs and making it cheaper for themselves. So the question is, why are they charging more? They should easily be able to maintain the prices and still retain a higher margin than previously without the need to do the latter and then increase price on top of it.

 

[AlienALX]

That was not his point.

He is saying they make enough off screwing people with higher costing products YET are making more per CPU sold due to a higher profit margin per CPU sold. They are increasing costs and making it cheaper for themselves. So the question is, why are they charging more? They should easily be able to maintain the prices and still retain a higher margin than previously without the need to do the latter and then increase price on top of it.

Indeed. There is a fine balance between being a greedy corporation and keeping your customers happy. AMD need the money far more than Intel do. Looking at Vega you can see why, too. Yet they would rather do that than screw over their loyal customers.

I'm not getting into all of this "Different pinout" borrox. At the end of the day if AMD can make two completely different techs work on one board and one chipset (Bristol Ridge and Ryzen) and the same motherboard then Intel can add two more cores without triggering WOPR to start WW3.

There is a difference between "Making more than enough money" and "Greed and screwing over your loyal customers" because let's face it, any one buying Intel these days is about as loyal as you can get, given they hardly make anything that makes any financial sense.

I think you are the naive one fella. (not you NBD)

 

[Korreborg]

But I am an intel customer, and I and I'm happy.
Every time people complain about TIM and new boards, but how many is actually affected by it? I'm at z87, so would a AMD board help me?
Still DDR3, no m.2, RGB, USB3.something.
I really want the avx offset funktion, but then I need a Z270 chipset.

To me it makes sense to change CPU/MB/RAM at the same time.

And TIM ensures that I don't have to pay extra because people RMA stuff they have killed themselves.

AMD does what they do because they need to differentiate themselves from Intel, an thereby try to make money.

 

[AlienALX]

But I am an intel customer, and I and I'm happy.
Every time people complain about TIM and new boards, but how many is actually affected by it? I'm at z87, so would a AMD board help me?
Still DDR3, no m.2, RGB, USB3.something.
I really want the avx offset funktion, but then I need a Z270 chipset.

To me it makes sense to change CPU/MB/RAM at the same time.

And TIM ensures that I don't have to pay extra because people RMA stuff they have killed themselves.

AMD does what they do because they need to differentiate themselves from Intel, an thereby try to make money.

That is about as anti "Upgrade" as it gets. Congratulations on that. It's testament to the messed up world we live in. Our "Throw away money grows on trees" attitude that we all seem to have these days.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Kaby Lake -> Coffee Lake socket pin configuration

VSS (Ground): 377 -> 391 (+14)
VCC (Power): 128 -> 146 (+18)
RSVD (Reserved): 46 ->25

Source:
https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/914921307531333633