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As far as the Ryzne 2800X rumours go, I can only conclude that they are fake.

The first media mention is on KitGuru and they never mentioned it in an article, only in a video.

The real source is from over a month ago on reddit at r/AyyMD, a satirical subreddit that does nothing but make fun of AMD fanboys and other tech companies.

Also remember that 12nm is just 14nm+, with expected 10% performance improvements with the same power consumption or a 15% power reduction with the same performance over 14nm and a minor increase in circuit density. That does not leave room for 4 more cores and eight extra threads.
 
WYP said:
As far as the Ryzne 2800X rumours go, I can only conclude that they are fake.

The first media mention is on KitGuru and they never mentioned it in an article, only in a video.

The real source is from over a month ago on reddit at r/AyyMD, a satirical subreddit that does nothing but make fun of AMD fanboys and other tech companies.

Also remember that 12nm is just 14nm+, with expected 10% performance improvements with the same power consumption or a 15% power reduction with the same performance over 14nm and a minor increase in circuit density. That does not leave room for 4 more cores and eight extra threads.
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Yep, pretty much. KitGuru only mentioning it briefly in a YouTube video sent alarm bells flying. Plus it would honestly be ridiculous performance and would actually nullify AMD's own Threadripper range, which is still quite new to the market. Like other 'leaks' we've seen in the past we all salivate over, they're pipe dreams of products that don't exist.
 
Dicehunter said:
If the 12 core part is correct then I'm expecting performance in multi threaded workloads to scale, I'm only expecting a minor IPS increase, Nothing drastic.
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Don't expect anymore cores. Just expect a refresh on a smaller node. Nothing crazy is going to happen. Just a small IPC and efficiency increase with a possibility of higher clocks.
 
NeverBackDown said:
Not sure why you guys are expecting much from a refresh.
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Maxwell - Pascal.

There are two reasons why Ryzen is "stuck" at around 4ghz. Either it was deliberate, or, it was down to bad manufacturing. Probably because they were in a rush and so on. Yes, it is quite crazy to expect 5ghz but it should be massively improved upon. Ryzen was the very first Zen. As such you are going to have teething problems etc.

I know the rumours are probably fake but it is all very plausible. Firstly because if AMD are selling a certain sized lump of silicon now for the prices they are (IE Ryzen) then there is no reason at all why they could not sell the same sized lump of silicon with 12 cores fitted onto it (due to the die shrink) for the same price. They would still make the same amount of money per die they are making now. So that is plausible also.

As for the clock speed? again, if the initial burp was down to bad manufacturing that too is also plausible.

Lisa Su said that Ryzen was pretty cheap to make. Hence why they have been giving out 8 core CPUs as dual core + HT CPUs. It's all the same size lump of glass, basically (well, silicon, but you know what I mean).

Time will tell I guess. As for whether AMD could offer that much performance for the money? well, they already have. Ryzen 1 compared to Intel was about half the price, if that. What was the 1700 launch price? £380? something like that? or less? well the 5960x was a grand or more.

So nothing would surprise me that much tbh. AMD proved near on every one wrong (including Intel who flew into a panic) so nothing that happens from now on would surprise me that much.

Dicehunter said:
If the 12 core part is correct then I'm expecting performance in multi threaded workloads to scale, I'm only expecting a minor IPS increase, Nothing drastic.
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I think a lot of people need to realise that Zen is not Intel. IE - when Intel shrunk Sandy to Ivy and only got 7% or so that does not mean Zen will be the same. Look at the improvements between Maxwell and Pascal, for example. And yeah I know Pascal is not a CPU but that doesn't matter. It was still the same technology shrunk.

Fact is dude? I ain't got a bloody clue what will happen to Ryzen when they shrink it, and possibly "fix" the 4ghz issue. No one does.
 
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Maxwell to Pascal really can't be compared. Nvidia spent millions (supposedly billions) increasing the efficiency of their architecture, something AMD does not have the capital to do. Nvidia went from an ageing 28nm to a very efficient 16nm. And despite what we've seen, Pascal is a new architecture. However you want to look at it, it is still a new architecture and Ryzen 2 isn't. GF's new 12nm is indeed said to be very efficient, but I don't see why they'll add additional cores when it's mostly clock speed that was holding back Ryzen.

Ultimately we don't need 12 cores on the mainstream platform. We don't even need 5Ghz. AMD could be conservative like they were with Ryzen (assumedly) and aim for a 4Ghz base and 4.5Ghz boost and still do really well. Good silicon might be able to overclock on all cores to 4.6Ghz. That's a worthy upgrade for those on an R5 1600. I know I'd strongly consider an 8-core 4.6Ghz R7 2700 over my 4Ghz 6-core 1600X. The beauty of Ryzen was that it offered great performance at every level, from the enthusiast (6900K) to the more budget conscious (7350K). It gave people an upgrade path. Intel never really offered that. If you wanted more cores then you had to switch platform.

A more apt comparison would be Haswell to Devil's Canyon. Intel simply improved the manufacturing process. No, it wasn't a die shrink, but technically 14nm to 12nm isn't much of a die shrink either.

Also, if a 12c/24t CPU is released in three months time for $450, what on earth is Zen 2 in 2019 going to bring? Where do you go from there? You've already got a CPU so powerful that it would dwarf everything. If there's going to be a 12c/24t CPU coming to the mainstream market, it'll be with Zen 2 and won't clock to 5.1Ghz and it won't cost $450. That's my 2c.
 
AngryGoldfish said:
Maxwell to Pascal really can't be compared. Nvidia spent millions (supposedly billions) increasing the efficiency of their architecture, something AMD does not have the capital to do. Nvidia went from an ageing 28nm to a very efficient 16nm. And despite what we've seen, Pascal is a new architecture. However you want to look at it, it is still a new architecture and Ryzen 2 isn't.
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Basically this. Was also why I didn't even bother to reply. Alien seems to have a 10,000 word response for everything lately. I don't have the attention span for that.
 
AngryGoldfish said:
Maxwell to Pascal really can't be compared. Nvidia spent millions (supposedly billions) increasing the efficiency of their architecture, something AMD does not have the capital to do. Nvidia went from an ageing 28nm to a very efficient 16nm. And despite what we've seen, Pascal is a new architecture. However you want to look at it, it is still a new architecture and Ryzen 2 isn't. GF's new 12nm is indeed said to be very efficient, but I don't see why they'll add additional cores when it's mostly clock speed that was holding back Ryzen.

Ultimately we don't need 12 cores on the mainstream platform. We don't even need 5Ghz. AMD could be conservative like they were with Ryzen (assumedly) and aim for a 4Ghz base and 4.5Ghz boost and still do really well. Good silicon might be able to overclock on all cores to 4.6Ghz. That's a worthy upgrade for those on an R5 1600. I know I'd strongly consider an 8-core 4.6Ghz R7 2700 over my 4Ghz 6-core 1600X. The beauty of Ryzen was that it offered great performance at every level, from the enthusiast (6900K) to the more budget conscious (7350K). It gave people an upgrade path. Intel never really offered that. If you wanted more cores then you had to switch platform.

A more apt comparison would be Haswell to Devil's Canyon. Intel simply improved the manufacturing process. No, it wasn't a die shrink, but technically 14nm to 12nm isn't much of a die shrink either.

Also, if a 12c/24t CPU is released in three months time for $450, what on earth is Zen 2 in 2019 going to bring? Where do you go from there? You've already got a CPU so powerful that it would dwarf everything. If there's going to be a 12c/24t CPU coming to the mainstream market, it'll be with Zen 2 and won't clock to 5.1Ghz and it won't cost $450. That's my 2c.
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TBH man we didn't really need 8 yet, but it is nice to have :)

Guys - apologies for the verbal diarrhoea. Something isn't right with these new anti depressants I am on. I just feel confused all of the time, and thus I am going mental trying to explain things I could normally explain very quickly.

Am going to phone the shrink today. Other day I fell over face first into a pile of bikes in the hall so something has to be done. I wasn't even looking where I was going.
 
AngryGoldfish said:
I don't think you should have to apologise for explaining yourself. I enjoy reading your posts.
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I'm not feeling right mate. I really just am not. I feel so bloody foggy all of the time. Maybe it is because I am trying to actually do stuff, yet am being severely limited by all of the anti psychotics. It is fine when I do nothing but yeah, how any one with Bipolar actually bloody functions on all of this junk is a mystery.

I want to try and come off the Venlaflaxine soon. I am pretty sure that is the cause.

The other day I was walking down my hallway not even looking where I was going. Walked straight into two bikes, then fell over them face first and got a black eye from the grip end. Could have bloody blinded me. Thing is these two bikes are not even on the path of the hallway. They are tucked under the stair case ffs.

I gotta stop with the physical hobbies tbh.
 
Medication can be a blessing and a curse. I've spoken to so many who have been 'zombified' or turned into someone they are not with medication. Fortunately I've never experienced that. I'm a loser with meds and a loser without. :p
 
AlienALX said:
I want to try and come off the Venlaflaxine soon. I am pretty sure that is the cause.
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I'm bipolar myself dude, and in my personal opinion the best thing I ever did was get off Venlaflaxine. hell I steer clear of all anti depressants was told to by the doc who diagnosed me to, I know everyone's different and what works for me might not for you, but bare it in mind dude. Hope you feel better soon mate
 
Writing for OC3D? I'm so confused!

I'm totally confused here? I don't know what you guys want when it comes to news articles. I don't want to write an article that may result in some type of plagiarism.

Say for example Intel Chipsets. Do I read someone else's article on the latest news and revise it? I might as well just post links to the website so others can just read it for themselves. It's like Tom Logan writing a new article. Then I just revise it and submit it as new news when in fact it's old news cause he already did it. I'm just re-wording it.

Plus there's people already beating me to the punch line. I just saw an article on Qualcomms new battery life compared to Intel's battery life 10 minutes ago while writing this reply. So If I write about it here, it's close to 20 minutes old and someone has already reported on it. All I can do is revise it and give a link to where I got the source from.

I'm just confused on what type of a writer you are looking for. I don't like copying others reviews or news. Unless I can talk to Intel personally and be the first to report on their latest news. Then it's not plagiarism. But I'm sure they have their sources already picked out.
 
Well it seems that the new AMD CPU's will be launching Q1 of 2018 and Asus already have on their website the 3008 BIOS for the new AMD CPU's Eg. https://www.asus.com/au/Motherboards/ROG-CROSSHAIR-VI-HERO/HelpDesk_Download/

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