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AngryGoldfish
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30,000 is with the card around stock speeds, not flat out. Guru3D recorded 29,800 GPU score with their Star Wars Xp review. The memory is overclocked on that, but the core is no different than the previous XP or Xp.
Dicehunter
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IF that is true I have a feeling AMD will announce we need a new motherboard even though they said they want to support AM4 until 2020.
I have zero faith in companies to be consumer friendly or offer upgrade paths.
AlienALX
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Nah you should be more than fine mate. Ryzen 2 is a shrink, so should be far more frugal with power. Thus a 12/24 should eat the same or less as the existing 8/16.
AMD just aren't the D word, never have been and never will be*****
***** OK so the 560 was a d-word move, but that is Radeon Tech Group and AMD separated themselves from that as far as they could before Zen launched. And hey, it's not like Nvidia haven't done it AT LEAST twice (260 and 560Ti come to mind !).
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
I REALLY hope you're right, If not then I think I'll be done with PC's, I went the AMD route because of the upgrade path and support they said they would have, If it turns out to be not true then it's consoles for me ^_^
AngryGoldfish
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I've said that too, but consoles are no better. At least if AMD force us into a new motherboard like Intel then I'll be getting incredible power. But anyway, a 12c/24t CPU at 5.1Ghz turbo for $450? I don't think it's only a few months away.
AlienALX
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AMD made AM2 last as long as they could, they really did. It was stunning how long that socket lasted. Same went for AM3 too. From a dual core Phenom right up to Bulldozer and Piledriver, providing you had the fets. You have the fets. You've got the best board you can buy, so yeah I wouldn't sweat it at all.
This is the same AMD who have been giving people 8 core Zen in place of a dual + HT.
AngryGoldfish
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I don't predict we'll see a new motherboard, not until 2019. Even then I think it'll just be a refresh and not a new socket; like going from Z170 to Z270 (and Z370 according to the reports).
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
1800X replacement, the 2800X, 12 core 24 thread for AM4 mobos with some insane clocks.
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/60100/amds-new-ryzen-7-2800x-teased-12c-24t-up-5-1ghz/index.html
Take with a grain of salt until it's actually released but if it's true then yeah, day 1 buy for me.
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/60100/amds-new-ryzen-7-2800x-teased-12c-24t-up-5-1ghz/index.html
Take with a grain of salt until it's actually released but if it's true then yeah, day 1 buy for me.
AlienALX
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Oh my god. If that is true? Oh. My. God.
Edit. I think I can calculate that to see if it's total BS. Dice, give me your Cinebench score for 4ghz on your 1800x mate. I will then add four cores on, add four threads on, calculate what a 12 core 1800x (yes I know that doesn't exist but I will make it !) can do and then add the clock speed to see if the % are correct.
Edit. I think I can calculate that to see if it's total BS. Dice, give me your Cinebench score for 4ghz on your 1800x mate. I will then add four cores on, add four threads on, calculate what a 12 core 1800x (yes I know that doesn't exist but I will make it !) can do and then add the clock speed to see if the % are correct.
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AlienALX
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OK so I cleared my head and did some maths.
1800 cinebench 4000mhz.
So, for our 1800 CB score we are basically scoring 225 points per 1c/1t. So, 8 cores x 225 points = 1800.
So, if this were a 12 core CPU we would times the single core and thread score by 12, instead of 8. This, theoretically gives us a score of 2,700. Now we need to increase the clock speed to figure out what we would score at example, 5ghz. Remember, I am doing this linearly, meaning due to the linear way Cinebench scores I can add or remove cores and clock speeds to manipulate the end result.
So, at 4ghz or 4000mhz we score 1800 points. Our score at 1000mhz should be 1800 divided by four, so 450 cinebench points per 1000mhz. So 450CB x 4 (or 4ghz or 4000mhz) is 1800.
So, if we do this linearly we can now calculate what the 1800x would score at 5ghz. This should be an extra 1000mhz of CB points, so 450. So, theoretically at 5ghz we would score 2250 with a 8/16 1800x. Now to make it a 12 core we need to divide the score by 4 which would be 562.5. We then add that to the 5ghz theoretical CB score and we get score of 2812CB with 12 Ryzen cores running at 5ghz.
AMD are saying 70% or so faster than the 1800x which scores 1800 points. For a 100% gain we would need to double that score to 3600 for example. However, 2812 is right around 70%.
OK, so if that got a little confusing I apologise. Just remember I said it here first, If these rumours are true I predict the 12/24 @ 5ghz will score 2812 points in Cinebench.
1800 cinebench 4000mhz.
So, for our 1800 CB score we are basically scoring 225 points per 1c/1t. So, 8 cores x 225 points = 1800.
So, if this were a 12 core CPU we would times the single core and thread score by 12, instead of 8. This, theoretically gives us a score of 2,700. Now we need to increase the clock speed to figure out what we would score at example, 5ghz. Remember, I am doing this linearly, meaning due to the linear way Cinebench scores I can add or remove cores and clock speeds to manipulate the end result.
So, at 4ghz or 4000mhz we score 1800 points. Our score at 1000mhz should be 1800 divided by four, so 450 cinebench points per 1000mhz. So 450CB x 4 (or 4ghz or 4000mhz) is 1800.
So, if we do this linearly we can now calculate what the 1800x would score at 5ghz. This should be an extra 1000mhz of CB points, so 450. So, theoretically at 5ghz we would score 2250 with a 8/16 1800x. Now to make it a 12 core we need to divide the score by 4 which would be 562.5. We then add that to the 5ghz theoretical CB score and we get score of 2812CB with 12 Ryzen cores running at 5ghz.
AMD are saying 70% or so faster than the 1800x which scores 1800 points. For a 100% gain we would need to double that score to 3600 for example. However, 2812 is right around 70%.
OK, so if that got a little confusing I apologise. Just remember I said it here first, If these rumours are true I predict the 12/24 @ 5ghz will score 2812 points in Cinebench.
AlienALX
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Yup totally dude. All I wanted to see was the supposed 70%, because normally the idiots who make up these slides don't actually have a brain to do the maths with first. Thus you can usually call them out by doing the maths.
I have studied CB quite intensely. Back when I had my FX 8 I used to disable cores, change the clocks ETC and it was always totally linear. If I removed two cores, for example, my scores would decrease, to within about 5 points, totally as I expected them to. This is why I swear by CB for a "flat out 100%" sort of score as it's very accurate, unlike crap like Geekbench and CPUZ's built in bench etc.
Buy yeah, doing it like that linearly shows that the 70% or whatever is well within the region of possible truth !
Wow, that is actually quite amazing. Intel will really be in the crap with their pricing if that is true !
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
AlienALX
Well-known member
4GHz with 3200MHz memory, I could probably manage over 1800 if I did more tweaking -
I rounded it up ever so slightly dude. 1798 is much more of a head feck to calculate lmao. I have seen them do 1800 though..
Also don't forget I took the easy way out and broke it into 1000mhz, not 100. So I could only calculate up to 5ghz, or 5000mhz using that formula.
Maybe later when I can clear my head I will go for the exact 5100mhz prediction.
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AlienALX
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Wait I calculated it wrong. The 2700 points per 12 cores 24 threads was correct. I can calculate this in three different ways and it always comes out to 2700. Where I went wrong was the overclock. I only added the overclock points for the 8 core CPU, not 12.
2700 points at 4ghz on 12 cores. That means I am getting 675 per 1000mhz of 12 cores.
So I need to add 675 (another 1000mhz on 12 cores) to 2700 so that is 3375. That is my prediction, now my brain finally stopped farting...
3600 is 100% increase. 3300 or so? yeah, it's bang on tbh. Some one also pointed out 5.1ghz may probably be 1 core, not all 12 too.
2700 points at 4ghz on 12 cores. That means I am getting 675 per 1000mhz of 12 cores.
So I need to add 675 (another 1000mhz on 12 cores) to 2700 so that is 3375. That is my prediction, now my brain finally stopped farting...
3600 is 100% increase. 3300 or so? yeah, it's bang on tbh. Some one also pointed out 5.1ghz may probably be 1 core, not all 12 too.
AngryGoldfish
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I posted that yesterday as it was initially KitGuru that had the source, but I think it was overshadowed by Titan V. The power of Nvidia for you.
I personally doubt the slide is correct. That kind of performance for so little money just shouldn't exist. It's far too good to be true. Anyone remember the early reports of Ryzen being able to hit 5Ghz on air?
I personally doubt the slide is correct. That kind of performance for so little money just shouldn't exist. It's far too good to be true. Anyone remember the early reports of Ryzen being able to hit 5Ghz on air?
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