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AngryGoldfish said:
So Kaby Lake refresh will join Coffee Lake on the Z370 platform. They'll both be on 1151, but Kaby Lake refresh and Coffee Lake will not be supported by Z270. Or maybe Coffee Lake won't be supported by Z270 but Kaby Lake refresh will.

Then there will be another chipset, Z390, that will support both Coffee Lake and Cannon Lake, but not Kaby Lake refresh.

Is that right?
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There is no KBL CPU refresh; they're referring to the Platform Controller Hub (PCH):

From Videocardz: Coffee vs Cannon

"It’s also worth noting that Coffee Lake-S architecture will be split available on Kabylake Refresh PCH (Z370) and Cannon Lake platforms (300-series PCH). The latter is to offer programmable quad-core audio DSP, Gen 2 of USB 3.1, Wifi-AC, SDXC 3.0 and Thunderbolt with DisplayPort 1.4."

https://videocardz.com/71660/intel-coffee-lake-architecture-brings-6-core-at-95w-tdp

Also, there does not seem to be a Z390 chipset coming:

Intel-Coffee-Lake-and-300-Series-Platform-Details_4.jpg
 
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The ONLY way Intel would drop prices is if sales PLUMMETED across the board, and Ryzen sales skyrocketed. And I don't see that happening.
 
TheF34RChannel said:
Sorry for the misunderstanding; feeling ill today and that kills my joke recognition every time. I've been up since 3:30 :( So I'm sorry.

Yeah they will for sure! On both accounts!
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That's all right. Text isn't the easiest medium to pass comedy through. I should've known better and put "/jk" at the end. No harm no foul, right?
 
Korreborg said:
I said hopefully. If the price is to high, people (myself included) would be tempted to go R5 for price saving or pay more and get a TR for more cores.
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Hopefully. About as hopeful as a snowflake's chance in hell. It ain't happening. They will skin you, and continue to do so.

We've been here before several times. Firstly with the launch of the original Athlons. Very fast, VERY cheap, Intel held firm with P4 prices. Then AMD come out with the FX, $600 or so. Intel rebadge a Xeon, sell it as a P4 Extreme Edition for $1200, the fanboys all queue in line to kiss their ass.

Even when Intel are losing they are still winning, thanks to their mind share. I gave an example earlier of a guy writing into a mag - that is the sort of mind share they have. Some dude pays £400 for £200 worth of CPU and is elated, best deal he's had in years etc.

The same holds true for Nvidia. Even if AMD spanked them stupid in performance price and basically everything you would still have people lining up to buy their crap GPUs.

Know what GPU sold the most when the 5870 launched? yup, that's right ! the GTX 260 :eek:
 
Not really news but the steam weekend deal is halve off of sniper elite 4. I'll try and pick it up, done a test run on a mate's PS4 recently and it was fun, beautiful scenery too.
 
OMG pay that kind of money, and then a blue MB. Hoping it's pre-production.
I actually like the case, just hate the watercooling support :)
 
Nope they are all blue in Alienwares and have been since Dell took over.

Can't believe they went with that case tbh. Surprised they haven't gone with a new one, it's been around three years now. That will be their downfall with cooling as he has pointed out. There is nowhere to fit a larger AIO.

It is possible to sort them out inside. But yeah, actual water cooling support is difficult. It was designed for AIOs.
 
AngryGoldfish said:
It's quite exciting we're finally getting affordable water cooling components.
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Definitely. I wouldn't be able to consider a full loop if it weren't for these kits. I know some have slated elements of the kits such as the fans or pumps but as an entry level product stack it seems to be a really good overall product when it comes to price/performance.
 
It's a tough sell for Nvidia graphics cards for me personally because they just don't need water, but these new behemoth CPU's and Vega on the way, water cooling needs affordable components to keep it all cool.
 
AngryGoldfish said:
It's a tough sell for Nvidia graphics cards for me personally because they just don't need water, but these new behemoth CPU's and Vega on the way, water cooling needs affordable components to keep it all cool.
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Sorta true. I can tell you now though dude, the Titan XP and 1080Ti either need a high end cooler or water to cope with their clocks. Mine gets really hot and makes a noise I hadn't heard in years. I want to get water (well, AIO water) onto mine ASAP. Parts just arrived with my friend for machining. Hopefully soon I can get the AIO on there and start cranking the clocks :cool:
 
1080TI's are awesome underwater, need or not. Mine see 35C under FULL LOAD if I don't OC them. If I do +175 on the core, +300 on the memory, I can get them to heat up to a shockingly hot 38C (HeatKiller FTW!!). #firstworldproblems yo. :)
 
IMO you need good cooling to get the most out of a 1080Ti/Titan. If you don't you will only gain around 20%, which at the time of launch the Titan cost far too much money per perf. However, add water to that? you are 30-35% faster which is the sort of jump you expect out of a regular part to a Ti.

Can't wait to get mine under the AIO. My Titan XM managed 1454 on a hybrid :D
 
AlienALX said:
Sorta true. I can tell you now though dude, the Titan XP and 1080Ti either need a high end cooler or water to cope with their clocks. Mine gets really hot and makes a noise I hadn't heard in years. I want to get water (well, AIO water) onto mine ASAP. Parts just arrived with my friend for machining. Hopefully soon I can get the AIO on there and start cranking the clocks :cool:
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Yeah, I should have prefaced that with big air you can overclock Pascal really well. The stock coolers definitely struggle.
 
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