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[AngryGoldfish]

That doesn't really say much though, They could have limited both the systems to 100FPS.

A rig equipped with a RX-580 and a different equipped with a 1080 Ti can both do 100FPS in Doom no problem at 1440P, The real difference is going to come down to the games with very shiny FX that are taxing and the FPS difference there.

I'm not sure how much it's supposed to say, to be honest. It is what it is. They had planned other games but ran out of time, so I hear. Take from that what you will.

And an RX 580 will not hit 100 FPS at 3440x1440p at max settings. I can't find what settings they used in the test, but it makes sense to use the maximum, for parity sake. That's why benchmarkers use max settings; so people don't get confused. Anyway, an RX 580 would struggle to hit 60 FPS at 3440x1440p. It'll be closer to 50 FPS. An overclocked 1080Ti will hit around 100 FPS at 3440x1440p. So if folks feel there is no difference between Vega and the 1080Ti, that suggests to me that whatever performance difference there is, people can't spot it. Again, take what you want from it.

I like the concept AMD are focusing on here. They're getting away from the 'numbers don't lie' principle and are instead giving gamers smooth gameplay, which is the most important thing. That's partially flawed logic obviously because numbers don't lie, but it's contentious in the right way. The principle has some merit. They're basically saying it's about how it feels, not that the 1080Ti hits 102 FPS while Vega hits 90 FPS.

 

[NeverBackDown]

That doesn't really say much though, They could have limited both the systems to 100FPS.

A rig equipped with a RX-580 and a different equipped with a 1080 Ti can both do 100FPS in Doom no problem at 1440P, The real difference is going to come down to the games with very shiny FX that are taxing and the FPS difference there.

If it was limited at 100FPS and the Vega system felt smoother, it's still a telling experience and worth noting.
Besides it's a blind test. I bet you 8/10 of those people were Nvidia fans and choose the Nvidia rig which turns out to be AMD.

They can limit it all they want, but in a blind test you don't know that. You have to control some variables to get accurate statistics.

 

[AlienALX]

It's a cherry picked load of old crap is what it is.

 

[AlienALX]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1j3S6MKB_E

 

[TheF34RChannel]

All I'm a neatly row.

Intel® Core™ i7-8700K and Core™ i7-8700 Specifications - The Empire Strikes Back



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4.6 GHz 2-core Turbo
4.7 GHz 1-core Turbo
95W TDP

Core i7-8700
6C/12T
12MB L3
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4.2 GHz 4-core Turbo
4.2 GHz 2-core Turbo
4.3 GHz 1-core Turbo
95W TDP

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9MB L3
2.8 GHz Base
3.8 GHz 6-core Turbo
3.9 GHz 4-core Turbo
3.9 GHz 2-core Turbo
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65W TDP

 

[AlienALX]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TCh6Vir9l8

3000 points in CB. I believe they call that mental lol.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 Liquid Cooled and Radeon RX Vega 64 Limited Edition Pictured In Full Glory

AMD Giving Away A Radeon RX Vega Signed By Raja Koduri

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-limited-edition-liquid-cooled-pictured/

http://wccftech.com/radeon-rx-vega-signed-raja-koduri/

 

[Dicehunter]

Linus does a Vega unboxing -

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Fully unlocked RX Vega reference edition is $500 while the others go up to $650 for the limited edition AIO version. I was hoping for $450 for the fully unlocked reference edition, so it's down to how well it performs now. As long as the non-reference designs don't shoot up in price, I think it could be OK. Maybe an Aorus Xtreme Vega 10 GPU at $550 with similar clocks to the AIO version is in order. That'll be about €600. Not terrible, but not good either.

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-limited-edition-liquid-cooled-pictured/

 

[AlienALX]

So £500 then basically. That would explain why Nvidia dropped the price of the 1080 to £449. Well, that or OCUK knew the inbound RRP of the Vega cards. I would guess it would be the latter. Funny, the 1080 was supposed to drop ages ago but never did.

What it needs now are awesome third party coolers to stop it throttling. Problem is that adds price.. I dunno man, will see I guess.

 

[Avet]

Finally, after so long...

 

[Dicehunter]

Fully unlocked RX Vega reference edition is $500 while the others go up to $650 for the limited edition AIO version. I was hoping for $450 for the fully unlocked reference edition, so it's down to how well it performs now. As long as the non-reference designs don't shoot up in price, I think it could be OK. Maybe an Aorus Xtreme Vega 10 GPU at $550 with similar clocks to the AIO version is in order. That'll be about €600. Not terrible, but not good either.

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-limited-edition-liquid-cooled-pictured/

If Vega is as fast as a 1080, As the leaks so far suggest, Then it needs to come in cheaper than a 1080, Nvidia has a LOT of the markets mindshare so needs to come in at a price that will tempt potential Nvidia customers.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Cut down Vega 10 XL is $400. The 1070 is surely going to be dropped in price.

If Vega is as fast as a 1080, As the leaks so far suggest, Then it needs to come in cheaper than a 1080, Nvidia has a LOT of the markets mindshare so needs to come in at a price that will tempt potential Nvidia customers.

I agree. I just don't think it's going to be that way.

 

[AlienALX]

Yeah Nvidia are going to be quite aggressive IMO. They've had nearly a year of top prices for small dies, now they can just have a field day on price. Good for the consumer !

I like the silver Vega. Problem is, it wouldn't really go in many builds. Would look nice with a MSI Tit and Corsair Doms, though.

I hope that this time there is an all out price war. With the Fury X AMD just never really did anything. They never fought to sell it, never became aggressive with prices etc it just sorta pittered out. Very strange ! I hope this time they mean it and they will now keep producing Vega GPUs properly for the long term.

Really can't wait to see the AIBP cards. Shame the overclocking is limited though (as we saw with AIO FE).

 

[HJ1mech]

Prices have supposedly leaked for Vega.
http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-vega-64-pricing-clocks-leaked-air-cooled-499-liquid-599/

 

[AlienALX]

$50 gets you a lot for the ltd ed IMO. Shame they don't all look like that.

Ah, a trick by AMD. You don't get the holocube. Tossers.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Yeah Nvidia are going to be quite aggressive IMO. They've had nearly a year of top prices for small dies, now they can just have a field day on price. Good for the consumer !

I like the silver Vega. Problem is, it wouldn't really go in many builds. Would look nice with a MSI Tit and Corsair Doms, though.

I hope that this time there is an all out price war. With the Fury X AMD just never really did anything. They never fought to sell it, never became aggressive with prices etc it just sorta pittered out. Very strange ! I hope this time they mean it and they will now keep producing Vega GPUs properly for the long term.

Really can't wait to see the AIBP cards. Shame the overclocking is limited though (as we saw with AIO FE).

Yeah, my biggest worry is Nvidia's response. I'm confident AMD have offered a solid product that will age well, but Nvidia have earned so much money and likely refined the process that they could easily drop prices dramatically and completely devalue what little legs AMD have to stand on.

On a more positive (but not fully) note, the new cards look sexy. While it won't necessarily fit really well in my proposed colour scheme—and I wouldn't go blower style anyway—the silver is really sexy. And it's bold, too. It's not so different that it's not going to work with anyone's system, but it's not just an RX480, which is a little boring. But it's a shame it's just the LE model.

 

[AlienALX]

Yeah brushed metal is the in thing now. Carbon fibre has gone thankfully

If AMD want Vega to be a success then they must have left some room in the price part. Even a two year old would know that Nvidia are going to drop prices. As I said before, I just hope they continue to make this one, not phase it out after something stupid like six months. Long haul with any luck ! hopefully this time they can get the HBM without massive pauses and there won't be any shortages.

Been reading OCUK forums (where you will find out an awful lot if you can bare all the poo) and they reckon the cooler is actually fantastic. The card is just so hot it doesn't stand a chance, but it's a lot bigger than the Nvidia cooling (gotta say it does look pretty beefy).

If it can match the 3Dmark scores I have seen (and be faster than the 1080) it should sell OK.

 

[WYP]

Nothing that is worth a full article, but listings are starting to appear on the websites of certain GPU manufacturers. No new info, but it should be coming soon.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Yeah brushed metal is the in thing now. Carbon fibre has gone thankfully

If AMD want Vega to be a success then they must have left some room in the price part. Even a two year old would know that Nvidia are going to drop prices. As I said before, I just hope they continue to make this one, not phase it out after something stupid like six months. Long haul with any luck ! hopefully this time they can get the HBM without massive pauses and there won't be any shortages.

Been reading OCUK forums (where you will find out an awful lot if you can bare all the poo) and they reckon the cooler is actually fantastic. The card is just so hot it doesn't stand a chance, but it's a lot bigger than the Nvidia cooling (gotta say it does look pretty beefy).

If it can match the 3Dmark scores I have seen (and be faster than the 1080) it should sell OK.

The article posted by Mark about the Frontier Edition not including AMD's Draw Stream Binning Rasterizers might help with the power consumption issues we saw with the FE. Maybe RX Vega will actually draw less power and output less heat as well as perform better. Maybe.