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Avet said:
They have done it for ever. I don't mind having new boards for new platforms, but the point is for platforms to be actually new. They have started to just rename stuff and forcing you to buy same things in different package. They need bigger leaps. 5-10% isn't enough. You can get that with a decent overclock. Intel needs to give us a reason to go with new platform, other than they say it is "new".
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Yep to all of this! Needing a new board is why I'm choosing HEDT; might as well go for the better platform with upgrade options rather than a dead end.
 
AngryGoldfish said:
Considerably better. Noctua don't half-ass anything.
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Except their choice of colors :D

I would LOVE Noctua fans, but its not gonna happen with those colors.
And it totally dont get it. They could sell TONS of fans if they made a black one.
Not a weird grayish thing. A proper black one. (The Redux color is far better, but not good)
 
Korreborg said:
Except their choice of colors :D

I would LOVE Noctua fans, but its not gonna happen with those colors.
And it totally dont get it. They could sell TONS of fans if they made a black one.
Not a weird grayish thing. A proper black one. (The Redux color is far better, but not good)
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But here's an opposing argument:

What if the colour scheme has actually helped them sell fans? It's such a distinguishing colour that maybe without it they would be lost among a wave of commonality.

Also, if the argument that Noctua would sell more fans if they were a neutral colour is true, maybe they don't want that. Maybe Noctua are exactly where they want to be. That's why I love them. They don't divert themselves off to cater to the masses like Thermaltacky. They do what they do and they have their loyal... fans. I like a company that knows who and what it is. They stand by their products unwaveringly. Despite the beige and tan colour scheme and high price tag, they still are one of the biggest sellers of air cooling in the business. That speaks volumes in my opinion.
 
AngryGoldfish said:
But here's an opposing argument:

What if the colour scheme has actually helped them sell fans? It's such a distinguishing colour that maybe without it they would be lost among a wave of commonality.

Also, if the argument that Noctua would sell more fans if they were a neutral colour is true, maybe they don't want that. Maybe Noctua are exactly where they want to be. That's why I love them. They don't divert themselves off to cater to the masses like Thermaltacky. They do what they do and they have their loyal... fans. I like a company that knows who and what it is. They stand by their products unwaveringly. Despite the beige and tan colour scheme and high price tag, they still are one of the biggest sellers of air cooling in the business. That speaks volumes in my opinion.
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Despite their beige and tan fans i still own 4 of them because they are great. They are just hidden away so i dont have to see them. I used to own a noctua nh d15 as well

NeverBackDown said:
I am currently using 4 GTs right now. I would take a wager these Noctua fans will be much better.
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I hope so, as i caught onto how good GTs were a little too late and struggled to get some
 
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evilcorp said:
Despite their beige and tan fans i still own 4 of them because they are great. They are just hidden away so i dont have to see them. I used to own a noctua nh d15 as well



I hope so, as i caught onto how good GTs were a little too late and struggled to get some
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I'm considering picking up a NH-D15S and a Thermalright fan to replace the stock Noctua fan for my new build. Thermalright make amazing fans as well. They're just very hard to get a hold of, annoyingly.
 
So its okay for Noctua to make products at a high price, and do what they want.
But Intel sucks for doing the exact same thing? I dont get it :D (I'm being a tosser on purpose ;) )
 
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Korreborg said:
So its okay for Noctua to make products at a high price, and do what they want.
But Intel sucks for doing the exact same thing? I dont get it :D (I'm being a tosser on purpose ;) )
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A $30 fan is much different than a $2000 CPU so I don't think it's even remotely close of a comparison
 
The point is, IMO Intel makes premium products. That just work, and keep working.
There no heat issues (I had that 10 years ago with my AMD) and for that they have charged a premium price.
People complain about longevity as they constantly change sockets etc, but as i see it, most people don't change the main components every 2 years, so it does not matter, as you most likely want to change the MB anyway. My current problem isn't the CPU, but the lack of M.2, and i'm on DDR3 ram.

I get that Intel is expensive, and i would like them to lower their prices as well.
For me "the premium gamer", Ryzen makes no sence, other than being cheeper.

My question just is, why the constant rant towards Intel? :)
 
Korreborg said:
The point is, IMO Intel makes premium products. That just work, and keep working.
There no heat issues (I had that 10 years ago with my AMD) and for that they have charged a premium price.
People complain about longevity as they constantly change sockets etc, but as i see it, most people don't change the main components every 2 years, so it does not matter, as you most likely want to change the MB anyway. My current problem isn't the CPU, but the lack of M.2, and i'm on DDR3 ram.

I get that Intel is expensive, and i would like them to lower their prices as well.
For me "the premium gamer", Ryzen makes no sence, other than being cheeper.

My question just is, why the constant rant towards Intel? :)
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Errrrmmm, The 7700K even non overclocked is having some pretty bad temperature spikes, My 5930K at stock clocks which performed quite a bit less than my current 1800X had absolutely terrible temperatures, The chip I had previous to that, The 4770K, Also had terrible temperatures.
 
I5-2500k and 4670k + i7-4790k i have had no issues.
My buddy had a i7-920 and now a i5-6600k again no issues.
I'm talking @stock. We have both started to overclock, so now he has custom watercooling.
And i'm heading that way as well.

Yes i totally agree, the Ryzen is miles in front of everything else form AMD.
But it wasn't a clean launch, with the ram issues, and the 20c offset misinformation.
 
Korreborg said:
I5-2500k and 4670k + i7-4790k i have had no issues.
My buddy had a i7-920 and now a i5-6600k again no issues.
I'm talking @stock. We have both started to overclock, so now he has custom watercooling.
And i'm heading that way as well.

Yes i totally agree, the Ryzen is miles in front of everything else form AMD.
But it wasn't a clean launch, with the ram issues, and the 20c offset misinformation.
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Those are all chips I have zero experience with, Point is, Intel isn't amazing when it comes to temps but they have a greater mind share, Just like Nvidia, Customers will go out of their way to defend multi billion dollar companies that have no clue they exist.
 
10 years ago Intel also had temp issues with their Prescott architecture. As far as the 20c thermal offset, no idea why they launched when that was still an issue. The thing is though AMD have had that thermal offset present since phenom II architecture
 
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