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PotatoHead

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Hi all, hoping for some sound advice to my build which has been waiting for the release of Sandy Bridge, so here goes. Any thoughts/comments are welcomed.

First of all, I am pretty much a total newbie-6 months ago and pre OC3D discovery, I knew how to turn a computer on and off, could replace an optical drive or graphics card just about and now, well, hopefully the post will give you nice folks an idea of my knowledge level and be able to post accordingly.

This machine by the way will be used for light word processing/powerpoint/excel, browsing, music, maybe the odd film and playing 1 game (currently, may expand), some photo storage, a bit of photoshop and so on. *NOTE* The game played is *VERY CPU DEMANDING* and *VERY GPU LIGHT*

Proposed or bought items:

Case- to be decided, help! leaning towards a Silverstone Fortress FT-02. Any suggestions are welcomed, but note, neon lights, flashing stuff and 'gaming' cases are generally not wanted. Clean, smart, funcional (above all, whilst still looking good and being domestically acceptable) decent cooling....you get the idea I'm sure.

Have considered, ATCS 840, Xigmatek Utgard, Corsair 700D/600T amongst others, though these are probably giving an idea what sort of styling and performance levels I'm after, any other suggestions-bring 'em on. (Not a fan of Lian-Li)

PSU: Seasonic 650x-Purchased already, no doubt overkill but future upgrades accommodated easily.

Processor: 2500K-hardly worth getting anything else on a price/performance ratio?

Memory: Since I'm posting on this forum it has to be Mushkin right!? (will likely be 1600/6-8-6-24 ridgeback 4GB, dual channel ofc)

Mobo: Now I feel a bit lost, 3 months ago, the path seemed clear, most likely Asus and probably a Sabertooth; now things appear in some disarray, BIOS swarming with problems, and OC results being problematic as a result. It seems to me that Asus are still the board of choice for me (most likely a P8P67 Pro) yet MSI and Gigabyte appear to be a little more sorted/stable in their current offerings yet also lack 1 or 2 little things I would like, especially as a first time builder and tweaker. Perhaps wait a few weeks for things to settle and problems to be ironed out?...or is this likely too short a time frame to expect that?

Cooler: Much like the Mushkin, it has to be NH D14 right?...does Sandy Bridge really need the abilities of this seemingly amazing piece of kit though? From my reading the processors seem to stay rather cool in comparison to 1156 or 1366, and bear in mind I have no desire (or need) to try for 5 gig on an OC, 4.5 would be comfy, 4.8 would be sweet. I'd rather place a little less stress and have something that will likely last a lengthy period, as well as generating less heat, using less juice etc etc.

GPU: Ahem, now here's where I might provoke some strong reactions, my intention is to retain my current piece of kit a, wait for it, Radeon 4830!

This is partly due to the game not requiring awesome power from this component and a budgetary one (not that I have a fixed limit, just a desire not blow more than I needed)

HD and optical are simple and cheap and therefore no real decisions to be made, except to say that I don't feel the cost/benefit ratio associated with an SSD is currently worthwhile.

Perhaps the general feel of the build, PSU and case in particular are a little different to the way many would go about it, but I firmly believe in buying quality where it counts and having those 2 components as rather expensive parts of the overall cost is worth it to me as they can be re used over and over as other parts are upgraded as desired or needed.

Note I'd kinda like to get this rig/pieces bought and built within a couple of weeks, but could stretch it to a month or so.

The differential from my current Pentium D (and crappy 4830!) will likely be immense and I don't want to wait an eternity!

Will also be purchasing W7, though peripherals are all in place from previous set up (Main monitor native 1600x1200)

Input espeically on Mobo choices and their 'teething' issues plus possible case options would be really appreciated.

Cheers

tatty'ed
 
Well first of all, welcome. And I must know what game this is you're playing. It's not a 3 digit acronym beginning and ending in W's is it? Well your needs are pretty casual much like my own. Youtube videos, the occassional game that may or may not begin and end in W's. A few tunes, and some dvds? Are you dead set on a sandy bridge chip? Not that there is anything wrong with them, I think they look pretty darn good. If you're not dedicated to the SB idea, I don't know if you have seen the 600 pound gaming rig. I think it sports an i3 bundle from aria thats preoverclocked, coupled with a 6870 if I remember right. I'm still a fan of those little I3 chips. 2 core/4 threads, not too shabby for a single Ben Franklin. On the sandy bridge side of things, i'm not sure how the integrated 3000 series graphics on the "K" chips would stack up against the gpu you already have. But if you look at getting a sb and h67 you can actually overclock your graphics part of the chip. So that is something to think about, i'm sure somebody will chime in that has better numbers in front of them. I'm actually looking to build something similar to that budget gaming rig myself. Id like to know what you decide to do. and what that GAME is.
 
Well first of all, welcome. And I must know what game this is you're playing. It's not a 3 digit acronym beginning and ending in W's is it? Well your needs are pretty casual much like my own. Youtube videos, the occassional game that may or may not begin and end in W's. A few tunes, and some dvds? Are you dead set on a sandy bridge chip? Not that there is anything wrong with them, I think they look pretty darn good. If you're not dedicated to the SB idea, I don't know if you have seen the 600 pound gaming rig. I think it sports an i3 bundle from aria thats preoverclocked, coupled with a 6870 if I remember right. I'm still a fan of those little I3 chips. 2 core/4 threads, not too shabby for a single Ben Franklin. On the sandy bridge side of things, i'm not sure how the integrated 3000 series graphics on the "K" chips would stack up against the gpu you already have. But if you look at getting a sb and h67 you can actually overclock your graphics part of the chip. So that is something to think about, i'm sure somebody will chime in that has better numbers in front of them. I'm actually looking to build something similar to that budget gaming rig myself. Id like to know what you decide to do. and what that GAME is.
 
Just wanting to drop in some suggestions:

For case I would seriously look into the Fractal Design Cases. The R3 is great or the XL if you want it bigger.

The Sandy Bridge processors (especially the 2500K) are always a great choice. If I was you I would look into something like the Asus P8P67 Evo, Pro depending on the features you want. Remember if you decide to go with the integrated GPU you will need an H67 board which will eliminate the chance of overclocking your CPU but will enable overclocking the integrated GPU.

It really depends on what you are willing to spend. If you are on a tight budget the i3 pre-overclocked bundle from Aria that was used in the 600 pound gaming rig will be a great choice. Looking to spend more? Go with the 2500K and a P67 motherboard, they are the best price/performance ratio at around 350 pounds.

You can always use the graphics card you already own and try. If you think it runs too slow and you want something better I would suggest a 768 MB 460, those things are absolutely cracking for the price.

Oh and great to have you at the forums dude! Welcome
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Thanks for a prompt reply, nailed the game title in 1!
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....I'm sort of semi hardcore with it, so yeah I'll be wanting the most I can wring out of a CPU that I'm able.

I'm not totally set on Sandy Bridge, but it does seem the logical choice to me. Yes I want the OC and as such that rules out H67 and directs to P.

As you can no doubt see from the PSU already purchased and the probably case choice, in the absence of any better suggestions, they alone would/have eaten half the £600 gamer rig budget. (PSU ~£120 and Case ~£200)

So, if I'm honest with myself I probably am set on SB and hence the dilemma over Mobo options.
 
Thanks for a prompt reply, nailed the game title in 1!
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....I'm sort of semi hardcore with it, so yeah I'll be wanting the most I can wring out of a CPU that I'm able.

I'm not totally set on Sandy Bridge, but it does seem the logical choice to me. Yes I want the OC and as such that rules out H67 and directs to P.

As you can no doubt see from the PSU already purchased and the probably case choice, in the absence of any better suggestions, they alone would/have eaten half the £600 gamer rig budget. (PSU ~£120 and Case ~£200)

So, if I'm honest with myself I probably am set on SB and hence the dilemma over Mobo options.

Sounds like a good idea to me there dude!

I actually really like the Asus P8P67 Deluxe. Looks like an absolute cracking board. (I ordered it myself). You may want to check out the Gigabyte P67A UD4, which seems good aswell, however it lacks the UEFI support. I would say a 4.6GHZ overclock should be something to aim for with any of those boards at this early date of UEFI/ BIOS. I mean 4.6 GHZ on a quad core, that is just amazing!
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I wouldn't be too concerned about either of those motherboards. Want UEFI? Go with an Asus or MSI mobo. Like the good old BIOS? Then choose the Gigabyte.
 
I read somewhere an article, about the 2500k handling wow, max settings 1900x1200 res flawlessly. I think this is a wow lovers best friend. But like Aurus said, you can either choose to use that integrated graphics H67 board, or decide you want to overclock the heck out of your cpu P67 board cant do both...YET (looks like you know that already). I'd be really curious to see how sb handles those WoW type games or even SCII. But most gamers will want to go discrete graphics so I don't think many people will go that H67 route. As stated above 768 460 would be the perfect wow card. BTW I quit WoW recently lol. A Fisherman can spot another fisherman for miles. But seriously watch that budget gaming rig vid. Its pretty sweet.
 
Forum noob unintentionally quoting Tortuga, oops.

Aurus; budget wise, I'll likely be spending closer to £1000 than the £600 of the gamer rig reviewed, nice though that seemed to be.

Integrated graphics via SB, forgetting the odd logic that led to Intel configuring them the way they have, I don't much like the idea of, since you are limited (though would probably show the 4830 a clean pair of heels) and I can always add a 460 later if I felt is was really needed.

So it pretty much comes back to the type of spec as per my original post: P67, Pro type quality with a 2500k. I'm just unsure about the boards in their current state (BIOS issues etc), if I really need an NH D14 for a 4.5-4.8 OC and perhaps some further case input. Will check out the Fractal stuff as I have previously ignored them largely, thanks.
 
I commend your quitting WoW, it's an immense time hog and horribly addictive. I do however have a yearning to play on more than 2 FPS (In a tough 25 man heroic encounter) and see just how much more effective I would be!

So looking like a P67 Pro, just a bit worried about those UEFI/BIOS issues, if and when Asus release updates, would I be correct in assuming it's a fairly simple job to apply said update and redo the OC?
 
I commend your quitting WoW, it's an immense time hog and horribly addictive. I do however have a yearning to play on more than 2 FPS (In a tough 25 man heroic encounter) and see just how much more effective I would be!

So looking like a P67 Pro, just a bit worried about those UEFI/BIOS issues, if and when Asus release updates, would I be correct in assuming it's a fairly simple job to apply said update and redo the OC?

Yes overclocking on P67 is dead simple, once you got used to ignoring the base clock
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You basically disable all the power restrictions and other restrictions and increase the multiplier to your desired clock. If it's not stable back up your overclock or increase the volts. Tom said in his 2500K video, that even with an early pre release UEFI he was able to get 4.6 Ghz out of the 2500K stable at great temps.

Flashing (updating) the UEFI (BIOS) is really simple on the Asus ones. You just put the new version on a usb flash drive, select it and it will do it for you. If you ever manage to damage your UEFI, I am pretty sure the Asus has dual chips, so you have a "backup" one.

I would always invest in a great CPU cooler, because it is something you are going to be using and using and using, well you get the point. It's going to last you a long time and with the great fans on the Noctua it is actually a pretty good deal, if you ask me.
 
WoW isn't as GPU light as it used to be. It can actually hit a GPU pretty hard with shadows and other bits turned up. Running in d3d11 mode will actually boost performance as well. Try to get a decent card in that system, something like a GTX460.
 
I actually have the original wow box in front of me. Just for fun, lets see how things have changed.

System Req:

512 MB RAM

Intel Pentium III or AMD Athlon 800mhz

Directx9 (included)

32MB 3d gpu such as Nvidia Geforce 2 class card or above.

Yeah its a whole new monster now since then. The reason I quit...well one of the reasons potato, is because the patch prior to the release of cata rendered my system unplayable. Whatever they did in that patch, prepping the servers for the cata release really did a number. I played for years on my xps m170. 2.0 ghz geforce 6800 ultra 256mb...2mb ram. But no more. I'm typing on it right now.
 
Thanks again for the replies, somewhat comforted by the BIOS flashing being easy so I guess I can buy safely now in the knowledge it's a quality product and the improvements will follow in time.

Noctua it is then, I totally agree that using a great product over and over is well worth the initial expenditure.

As for GPU, I will attempt to use it, but for now and having just tried a 25 man for the first time since Cata hit (house move recently put paid to earlier 25's for me) and having total lock ups for 5-10 seconds at a time, I thinking I might need to move the build along sooner rather than later. If the GPU is clearly not sufficient once the main body of the rig is complete it'll be simple to slot a 460 in, and my understanding is that this will handle pretty much anything WoW wants to throw at it.

I feel the pain of that pre Cata patch Tortuga, it did hit performance hard for me too, though was still just about playable (assuming anyone considers gaming with less than 10 FPS 'playable'!)...now it's simply unplayable however lenient on the requirements I try to be.

Just the case to decide on then, have a feeling the fortress will still push aside the Fractal though, wish it wasn't almost 3 times the price though.
 
What about the CM690 II Advanced or HAF-912. Both are pretty cheap and have an excellent build quality.

CM690 II Advanced (The light on the front can be shut off)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119216&Tpk=cm 690 ii advanced

HAF-912

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233&Tpk=haf 912

Well I was going to suggest the CM690 II Advanced here too, but you were quicker so this is edited
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But yea, they are both great cases at a great price. Just to throw in one more: How about the Xigmatek Utgard?
 
Yes the gtx 460 will do wonders. And depending if the board supports at least 8x/8x sli, you can slap in another 460 at some points and really play some games if you ever feel the need. A couple 460s will play like a gtx 580.

I do sort of take a fancy to the vulcan case. I accept any lashings for it.

http://www.newegg.co...k=nzxt%20vulcan
 
Was aware of the HAF, and to me it's both yuck and borderline on the domestically acceptable front, at best. The Lancool pretty much fits into the same bracket as far as I'm concerned.

The CM is ok, especially if the light(s) can be shut off, but it's not quite the quality I'd be anticipating from that beautifully crafted Fortress!

Utgard is in my original list of 'have considered' and I know it's often highly regarded, just something difficult to define puts me off it-not that I'm difficult to please or anything
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Oh, and the chances of me ever going down the dual(or more) GPU route are similar to my chances of a lottery win....
 
Was aware of the HAF, and to me it's both yuck and borderline on the domestically acceptable front, at best. The Lancool pretty much fits into the same bracket as far as I'm concerned.

The HAF looks much better in person. I used it in a few builds now for friends and was pleasantly surprised the first time I used it. For $50 it really is a steal.

name='PotatoHead' said:
The CM is ok, especially if the light(s) can be shut off, but it's not quite the quality I'd be anticipating from that beautifully crafted Fortress!

The Fortress is a great build, but it's also expensive. It costs over three times as much as the 690. IMO, use the money on a video card instead of a pretty case. The 690 is pretty basic looks wise, but the inside is laid out beautifully.
 
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