People who bum of the government

[TopSecret]

So what happens to the Carers and day centres. Make them unemployed and close the centers down.

On a personal level, I agree with Rasta on the point of day care centres/carers. I don't like the thought of a very young child being in the care of someone outside the family. I do however see that modern living has brought this neccesity about, and some parents do need to work and have their children looked after by 3rd parties. I would rather they did this than become the spongers they would be labelled as if they packed in work.

 

[Rastalovich]

You are looking at it as if everyone's personal circumstances are set in stone from the day they are born though Rasta. Things happen in life, like redundancy, ill health etc etc. As a parent, you can never plan that far ahead. There are too many variables in life.

If I got made redundant today, I can get a job tomorrow. That's not a boast or anything, infact it'd be for just over half the money I make now - and there's the nagging thing with the majority of those out of work. "It doesn't pay enough". Enough for what exactly ? U get life changes, u adapt. U can't afford the house, sell it, downsize.

Ill health, genuine ill health, I have no problem supporting - particularly when the person has been working previously.

The one, crucial thing u can plan in life - is becoming a parent. (aside from the criminal exception outlined above)

When sat at a table to discuss how people's lives have gone, u do hear of the twists and turns, the majority of which are choices.

So what happens to the Carers and day centres. Make them unemployed and close the centers down.

Hmm, we Fruediently thinking some of them will get pregnant so they dont have to work ? ^.~

Care for the elderly or something. Do something else, work for a school, the options in life are massive.

 

[Msm2]

Being a full time carer for my wife and 3 children 24/7 and i recieve a small amount of benefit, I personnally wouldnt like anyone else looking after them,but saying that some people have to use these carers and centers.

 

[Pseudonym]

So what happens to the Carers and day centres. Make them unemployed and close the centers down.

Yep, and then have them sterilised because they are unemployed.

Also, a lot of people need to work in order to pay for the child they've just squeezed out. Maternity pay only covers up to 39 weeks.

 

[Rastalovich]

Yep, and then have them sterilised because they are unemployed.

Well, they can have one (if they haven't <1 already), and since they've worked and paid taxes previously..

Maternity - sheesh.

 

[AydST]

I started to reply to this but my reply was lengthy and covered immigration, cheats, famalies etc.... so I decided rather than bore / argue with it I'd just quote a personal experience

why do I work?

I work hard and get paid an average wage, I'm not rich and we get by, we had a child 2 years ago once settled and felt ready to do so and after my Wifes maternity she decided to go back to work.

We looked in to child care and this was basically the same as her salary so she'd be working to just cover child care costs, thankfully the company I work for created a position to allow her to work from home, therefore allowing her to care for our child but still earn a small amount from part time work at home.

Now we needed a little more money so we looked in to child care again as a full time position came up at my work which they offered to her but it meant coming in to the Office on a daily basis, again childcare was expensive and her salary would only just cover costs so we decided to see what we could claim.

Neither of us have ever claimed benefits before but we do get our child tax credit of £38per month we are entitled to.....they came back saying we could claim for some child care costs seeing as she was going back to work full time and offered us a staggering £4 a month to help towards the costs...no you read the right £4 a mont...well that 1 hour covered how about the rest???

Now I wouldn't be so bitter about this but seeing as the 'slacker family' who live opposite and have 4 kids and drive around in a 08 plate people carrier and an 04 plate Vectra SRI and are always out at the weekend and go on holiday twice a year, the little darlings are dressed in the finest Nike's and seeing as his just picked up his brand new motorbike I was a little bit angry considering neither of them have a ****ing job!!!!

My wife, willing to go back to work and also who feels a little guily about not contributing what she see's as enough to the family income is offered £4 as an incentive???

TBH quite honest we'd both be much better off if we packed it all in......

I'm just a little confused and a little upset by this and the poor Tory candidate got both barrels when knocking on my door the other week regarding the European elections but I feel so let down by this country I'm almost ashamed....

Now I'm not asking for all costs to be covered and I certainly don't expect it but where's the incentive for my Wife to get back in to work with an offer of £4...where? she's willing and able....but we can't afford to do so, so part time from home it stays.......all this while our taxes are going to support Mr and Mrs Slacker and their comfortable lifestyle.

anyway rant over for now....

 

[Rastalovich]

Used to have a boy working for me in my last position, apparantly cos his brother was disabled, the govt provided them with a brand spanking new for focus - taxed, paid for. And get's changed every so many years.

To be fair, his brother was disabled, but I couldn't get around why they needed a new car, or a car even. It wasn't a fitted car for the disabled or anything, so I mean he can get about.

How much are ford focues new ?

Anywho, although he was a nice enough kid, he took an apraisal from the directorship overly harshly (did try and speak to him about it) and he quitted not long after. And, without a license, he went driving this car around cardiff - been stopped I don't know how many times.

 

[tinytomlogan]

benifit life style, its a joke. Its that type of thing that winds me up.

The only thing that make me angrier is a small family in a bedsit and a (must be PC) 'foreigner' walking straight in to the UK gets a house car, food money ect ect ect.

How fair is it that some one that does nowt can have so much .....

 

[Rastalovich]

Have tbh, imigrants are one thing I don't have too much of an issue with. Mainly cos I see alot of them working, I know that's a generalization, but they are smaller figures than the indigineous that just cba. Rather do an exchange for them tbh.

I know some Thai words from work, Mexican/spanish from holiday illegals, always like to pick up some of the lingo

Hey I pickup english from those who come over the border

 

[DeMoB]

Rasta, WTF dude, you're seriously suggesting sterilizing the whole population after two kids because of the minority that abuse the benefits system by having as many as they can?

Hows about tackling the problem rather than making everyone else suffer because of it.

I daresay that it would cost a hell of a lot more to implement your plan that the current people who are sponging.

And as to making people with more kids pay more tax (the ones that aren't sponging off the system), has it even crossed your mind that these people are already more likely to be struggling with making ends meet as it is? And don't say they shouldn't have had more kids than their means, because circumstances change all the time and while you might have been ok at the start things out of your control can happen.

Why not just say that unemployment benefits only last for a year and after that you're on your own, and if you're having kids outside of your means after that to try and live off of the benefits from them then you get the kids taken off of you.

Dan

 

[Rastalovich]

Rasta, WTF dude, you're seriously suggesting sterilizing the whole population after two kids because of the minority that abuse the benefits system by having as many as they can?

No.

Hows about tackling the problem rather than making everyone else suffer because of it.

i.e. prevent those having kids as a carear going from 1 to 2.

I daresay that it would cost a hell of a lot more to implement your plan that the current people who are sponging.

Wouldn't think so. When I were a lad, it was estimated the 'cost' of a child was in the region of £15k from 0-15 iirc, might be wrong so don't quote me on it. Inflation will beef that up2d8.

And as to making people with more kids pay more tax (the ones that aren't sponging off the system), has it even crossed your mind that these people are already more likely to be struggling with making ends meet as it is? And don't say they shouldn't have had more kids than their means, because circumstances change all the time and while you might have been ok at the start things out of your control can happen.

Can't afford them, don't have them. Having children, legitimately, is a choice.

Why not just say that unemployment benefits only last for a year and after that you're on your own, and if you're having kids outside of your means after that to try and live off of the benefits from them then you get the kids taken off of you.

Dan

Close to one of the suggestions I've made.

Seriously dood, read the replies.

 

[mayhem]

Rastalovich your comments for a 37 years old are seriously short minded.

1) I have 3 kids

2) Im bumming off the government atm. (well actually im not as such as i don't claim any thing)

3) I find it very difficult to find a contract up north in which i can earn enough money to sustain my kids all though that doesn't stop me going to interviews and trying my best. Alls o other things caused me to be jobless that i will not discuss with idiots like you self.

4) i have 2 x disabled kids. Whom we look after very well and take care of more than any normal child.

5) Me and my lass still pay more taxes than you.

6) i spent 9 years fighting for the rights of small minded people like you self and put my life in many dangerous situation's and saw my mates die for the likes of people like you self and now i have to read "s h i t" like this on this forum

7) If you don't like it pack up you stuff and get the hell out of this country.

8) Dont even try to argue any facts because you know nothing.

P.s this is NOT a BNP site go look else were because it would suit you down to the ground.

 

[DeMoB]

Ok, so with how appalled I was at your original suggestion I probably didn't comprehend parts of your postings properly.

I took a step back and tried to re-read and comprehend your posts a bit better.

I hate internet debates because you never know the tone with what the other person is saying, and its quite easy to miss-read tones/meanings of stuff. So know that the following comments are not filled with emotion/hate/whatever and said in a calm discussing manner

- Single Parents Claiming benefits for Kids -

...divorce, hey both parents are still available to get cash off. If it's not suitable enough, make it more suitable.

Do you really think the world is this black and white?

And as a personal point, I'm completely not at ease with parents dumping off their kids and going to work (under the age of about 4, or atleast talking and being in pre-school). Family - fine. Carers, day centers - no freakin way.

For someone who doesn't have any kids and doesn't want any, you sure have strong opinions on what's the right and wrong way to bring them up.

So in your perfect world, everyone is working and isn't sponging off the system, who of the family is around to look after the children?

Can't afford them, don't have them.

You skipped over the part where I already told you why this isn't a valid point.

You also said earlier about the if you got laid off you could get another job tomorrow at half the wage, say if you've got kids and this happens, how are you now going to support your kids without tax breaks etc

- Sterilization Issues -

Having children, legitimately, is a choice.

Human rights laws for the most part are BS (at least what the EU has done to them), but as long as the children won't be brought into unreasonable harm/neglect due to being born, this is one of them that you or anyone else does not have the authority to say elsewise.

Close to one of the suggestions I've made.

Minus the pretty big issue of the sterilization.

I get the feeling you're not the type of guy to back down over anything, so we're probably going to have to agree to disagree on everything

Dan

 

[Msm2]

I still think this is not a subject really to be discussed on this forum,as I have stated in an earlier posting.Some of these ideas and comments are starting to sound like a group of people about 70 years ago.

 

[TopSecret]

I still think this is not a subject really to be discussed on this forum,as I have stated in an earlier posting.Some of these ideas and comments are starting to sound like a group of people about 70 years ago.

The thread was posted within the off-topic forum, and I don't think subjects like this should be taboo. Just because you may or may not agree with anyone's views here doesn't mean that it is any less valid a subject to discuss. With the exception of a few outbursts, I think both sides have put their views across quite well.

 

[tinytomlogan]

I think mayhem has a point Rast, as much as it pains me to say it some of your views are very anti community and borderline nazi.

The UK is a free country and you are entitled to your views and your right to air them.

But please be aware the way you have gone about this and argued the point is now starting to anger other members. So please either tone it down, or just keep your oppinions to yourself.

 

[Rastalovich]

Rastalovich your comments for a 37 years old are seriously short minded.

1) I have 3 kids

Congrats.

2) Im bumming off the government atm. (well actually im not as such as i don't claim any thing)

U either bum or u don't. U know if u bum.

3) I find it very difficult to find a contract up north in which i can earn enough money to sustain my kids all though that doesn't stop me going to interviews and trying my best. Alls o other things caused me to be jobless that i will not discuss with idiots like you self.

I love u 2, and being personal - ur choice, work for eff sake. It's easier to find a job whilst ur in one than not.

4) i have 2 x disabled kids. Whom we look after very well and take care of more than any normal child.

Kewl.

5) Me and my lass still pay more taxes than you.

Taxes which it sounds like u pay as a result of other people's taxes. So really U don't.

6) i spent 9 years fighting for the rights of small minded people like you self and put my life in many dangerous situation's and saw my mates die for the likes of people like you self and now i have to read "s h i t" like this on this forum

Nothing in the last 9 years has come even close to fighting for any of my rights. But I will grant u it's an honorable choice which leaves many screwed afterwards, of which they're usually forgotten about by the huge %.

7) If you don't like it pack up you stuff and get the hell out of this country.

That's BNP talk

8) Dont even try to argue an facts because you know nothing.

Last vastage of the ignorant, touche.

P.s this is NOT a BNP site go look else were because it would suit you down to the ground.

YAY ! As if, get a grip.

I get the feeling you're not the type of guy to back down over anything, so we're probably going to have to agree to disagree on everything

Dan

Probably.

I think mayhem has a point Rast, as much as it pains me to say it some of your views are very anti community and borderline nazi.

That is rediculous.

The UK is a free country and you are entitled to your views and your right to air them.

But please be aware the way you have gone about this and argued the point is now starting to anger other members. So please either tone it down, or just keep your oppinions to yourself.

I'm sorry, I thought this was a discussion.

If u can't see the title and instantly know or feel the voices inside it may upset u, u shouldn't open it tbh.

Without an opinion, the "discussion" is just regurjitation (??).

 

[Ham]

This is getting stupid. Antagonising members and I don't want to see it on my new posts list again.

Debate based on belief and opinion can never be won. I'm closing this thread.

End of.