WYP
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PCIe 4.0 support on Z490 - What the deal?
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NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
More chaos over at Intel. Not surprised.
AlienALX
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Future proof from Intel?
no.
Marketing gimmick.
Board supports it but you can't use it, therefore it's useless. It means you would have to buy a CPU now, hope Intel sort their crap out, then buy another one.
TBH like PCIE 3 board partners should keep it quiet. What I mean is, some high end X79 boards supported PCIE 3 with a patch, but they never told you about it. Now? they are marketing falsely, IMO. Well, probably bent just enough to get around the law.
It's naughty, IMO.
looz
Active member
It seems that there's literally no way for Intel to please people, if the motherboards aren't future proof it's "Intel forcing new mobos each gen", if they're future proofed for Gen 4, it's included for marketing?
Though rumours say they did originally intend Comet Lake to have PCI-E 4.0 but didn't manage to make it stable - if there's no refresh with PCI-E 4.0 support, then they'll be eaten alive by both consumers and AIB partners.
Though rumours say they did originally intend Comet Lake to have PCI-E 4.0 but didn't manage to make it stable - if there's no refresh with PCI-E 4.0 support, then they'll be eaten alive by both consumers and AIB partners.
AlienALX
Well-known member
They won't be future proof any way. I bet they would be releasing Rocket? Lake right now if they could and it was ready. Fact is they are not. Even Comet Lake is delayed.
So that doesn't mean jack, apart from "It will support Rocket? Lake". Which will give you one upgrade and then I would bet they will move onto the next board, socket and chipset.
Intel said it themselves. They can't compete. So they are using every dirty trick in the book to make it look like they are.
Der8auer already said they could have easily made the 10900k work on 390, as most of the pins seem to be grounds for higher current processors. Meaning Rocket? lake will be a guzzler.
TBH? I wouldn't buy anything from Intel until they release their new tech any way. This gen, even shrunk, still has big issues. And it'll be years before they do that.
realneil
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It sure doesn't make me want to replace my i9-9900K and ROG 390-E Gaming board anytime soon. I'll just continue to sit here and suffer.
AlienALX
Well-known member
15:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA6pq4vj4lI
Intel caught pulling figures out of their arse, lie their way out of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA6pq4vj4lI
Intel caught pulling figures out of their arse, lie their way out of it.
Avet
Active member
Dr. Ian Cutress said that the boards are built to comply with PCI-E 4.0 specifications so they should work with Rocket Lake. But since there is no CPU to test them it is impossible to know will they actually work. This is the same as AMD "maybe" support on X470 motherboards.
Intel should have just used Z390 for Comet Lake. It would have worked fine. The extra pins are for supporting additional PCI-E lanes Rocket Lake will have.
It would be messy when Rocket Lake comes.
Intel should have just used Z390 for Comet Lake. It would have worked fine. The extra pins are for supporting additional PCI-E lanes Rocket Lake will have.
It would be messy when Rocket Lake comes.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Well the difference is Avet that AMD never released a product saying a feature *should work* in the future. It was just AMD saying they aren't sure if previously released products could get the updates to work. They weren't selling them based off promises. They sold those boards and people got what they expected. Big difference.
Intel's approach is laughable and sad that it will probably work because most people won't have a clue about it. Intel can easily get back on track but their management needs to get a grip and get their engineers working better on 10nm as it's ruined the company.
Intel's approach is laughable and sad that it will probably work because most people won't have a clue about it. Intel can easily get back on track but their management needs to get a grip and get their engineers working better on 10nm as it's ruined the company.
Avet
Active member
Exactly. It is a dumpster fire. Intel is run by accountants and not engineers. They have a cycle of 2 generations that support the same CPU then they change everything even if it is not needed. It would be much easier to run Comet Lake on the same platform, and then change everything with Rocket Lake. New socket, PCI-E 4.0 support it would be easy to swap everything. I am sure many engineers told them that but then you could buy Maximus XI Hero that costs $300 and have exactly the same performance that you would have on Maximus XII Hero that costs $400. Hey, this worked for 10 years perfectly and it will now. They will sell truckloads of them.
AMD did come close, and they have beaten Intel in HEDT space but in consumer space, Intel has something that AMD doesn't and that is a brand name. Intel was better for so long that people just crave for them.
Steve from HardwareUnboxed told a story about a system integrator from Australia in the last Q&A:
If you slap an AMD badge on a prebuilt system it needs to be under $2000. Anything above that, it will never sell. If it has an Intel badge and a $10.000 price sticker, it will still sell like crazy.
They don't sell to me, you, or anyone on this forum. They sell to people that don't know better. They see an Intel badge and it is good enough for them. I don't blame them. Intel has a name for a reason. AMD will need to work on that.
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AlienALX
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All they needed to say was "Still the gaming king, with more cores for video editors" or something the same only more elegant.
TBH? other than the horrendous power draw and heat these will be fast CPUs. There really was no need to talk poo and pull figures from your backside.
demonking
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You can't market something as supporting something and then give no support for it.
I can go buy a z490 board with the product stating pci-e 4.0 support and then ask the motherboard vendor how I get this which will be a reply of you can't. Telling me that a product supports something and then not being able to get that feature is false advertising. Until there is a CPU that can go into this socket with PCI-e 4.0 support they should not be allowed to list it. What happens if the next gen launches on a new chipset and these never have a CPU that supports PCI-e 4?
I can go buy a z490 board with the product stating pci-e 4.0 support and then ask the motherboard vendor how I get this which will be a reply of you can't. Telling me that a product supports something and then not being able to get that feature is false advertising. Until there is a CPU that can go into this socket with PCI-e 4.0 support they should not be allowed to list it. What happens if the next gen launches on a new chipset and these never have a CPU that supports PCI-e 4?
AlienALX
Well-known member
I'd bet you can, even though it's BS. The fact is the boards do support PCIE 4.0. And that is where it will be pushed. It's not Intel doing that, but it should have been kept quiet IMO. Or called "PCIE 4.0 ready".
It all depends on what marketing regulations say in the country it's being sold in.
Last night I watched a video about powerline NIC adapters right, and they said they were 500mb. And they sort of are..... They communicate with each other at the said 500mb, but the connections in and out of them are 100mb. So you will never get 500mb out of them.
Dishonest? sort of. Fact is they do communicate at 500mb between each other, but it's stupid marketing because you'll never see that out of them.
This sorta stuff happens all the time man. Board partners will push it because they want sales. Whether they will be forced to change that marketing in certain countries? IDK. But they are PCIE 4.0 boards, there just aren't any chips to make it work (yet?). I don't know if Intel are going to get it working in the next gen. We will have to see about that. My bet is they wanted it now (as brownie points are evaporating against AMD's ruthless and relentless push) but it just didn't work.
That is the down side of adding asses to your monkey (South Park old joke). When you start trying to bolt things onto an old tech it's problematic.
Intel must now wait on Keller, and just pray that their other top bods don't drive him away.
