As manufacturers strive to release motherboards that are ready for Ivy Bridge, things aren't as clear as they might seem.
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PCI Express 3 - Gigabyte vs MSI
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yassarikhan786
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This is interesting. So if it's true that ivy bridge processors will not be compatible with the new UEFI BIOS, then the owners of newer ASUS boards will have to replace their motherboards as well to support the Ivy Bridge processors, which is absolutely crap
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SieB
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Too many rumors over all of this.
First of all we were told that Ivy Bridge would work in P67/Z68 mobos but without PCI-E 3 support.
Then Gigabyte come out and "officially" announces a BIOS update which makes all thier P67/Z68 boards PCI-E 3 compatible. Now they are saying they only meant that it would only enable the use of PCI-E 3 devices and not make them fully PCI-E 3 with PCI-E 3 bandwidth. The thing is they didn't say that is what they meant when they announced the BIOS update and it sounds to me like it's a cover story to cover their backs.
And now finally we are being told that Ivy will not work with P67/Z68 anyway because of UEFI.
As for MSI not having any PCI-E 3 devices to test their mobos on and disprove Gigabyte, the IGP on the engendering sample Ivy Bridge CPUs they have might be PCI-E 3 which would make sense seen as they have a PCI-E 3 controller and the fact that we now know (or do we?) that we will need a gen 3 mobo to use them.
I'm waiting till we have solid facts and or benches before I listen to anything about PCI-E 3 compatibility and what motherboards Ivy will or will not work on.
First of all we were told that Ivy Bridge would work in P67/Z68 mobos but without PCI-E 3 support.
Then Gigabyte come out and "officially" announces a BIOS update which makes all thier P67/Z68 boards PCI-E 3 compatible. Now they are saying they only meant that it would only enable the use of PCI-E 3 devices and not make them fully PCI-E 3 with PCI-E 3 bandwidth. The thing is they didn't say that is what they meant when they announced the BIOS update and it sounds to me like it's a cover story to cover their backs.
And now finally we are being told that Ivy will not work with P67/Z68 anyway because of UEFI.
As for MSI not having any PCI-E 3 devices to test their mobos on and disprove Gigabyte, the IGP on the engendering sample Ivy Bridge CPUs they have might be PCI-E 3 which would make sense seen as they have a PCI-E 3 controller and the fact that we now know (or do we?) that we will need a gen 3 mobo to use them.
I'm waiting till we have solid facts and or benches before I listen to anything about PCI-E 3 compatibility and what motherboards Ivy will or will not work on.
silenthill
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I run my two gtx 480's on 8x & did a lot of testing,then run them on 16x with the same tests and TBH not much difference so I think bandwidth is over exaggerated when it comes to the PCIE case but a different case completely when it comes to memory bandwidth.
sheroo
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Have Asus had anything to say?
If IB is incompatible with the UEFI BIOS then they are taking the piss big time!
It seems that these guys are so busy trying to get this stuff to market without any real regard for their consumers (us enthusiasts) that they are making poor strategic judgements. After the Intel B3 fiasco, and now all this uncertaintly it just reinforces it to me that these companies don't give a toss about us - they just want to screw us for every penny. They just drip feed us this stuff which we lap up and we buy ourselves into a blind ally where the only choice is a complete upgrade - it really annoys me!
Sorry for the rant - just had to get that off my chest.
If IB is incompatible with the UEFI BIOS then they are taking the piss big time!
It seems that these guys are so busy trying to get this stuff to market without any real regard for their consumers (us enthusiasts) that they are making poor strategic judgements. After the Intel B3 fiasco, and now all this uncertaintly it just reinforces it to me that these companies don't give a toss about us - they just want to screw us for every penny. They just drip feed us this stuff which we lap up and we buy ourselves into a blind ally where the only choice is a complete upgrade - it really annoys me!
Sorry for the rant - just had to get that off my chest.
SieB
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It's all about the money and the misleading and manipulating to get it. No matter how genuine or loyal a company may appear, at the end of the day all they are bothered about is your money and they will do and say anything to try and get it.
Sadly the same goes for your trust, i've started to notice a lot lately and not just in big companies, the worst part about it is there are that many people who hang on every word they are told and blindly follow them because they have been manipulated into believing that they are such great companies that they would never do such a thing as to lie to them.
Gigabyte and others know this which is why they keep on doing it because they know people will just listen to what they are being told without questioning it becasue people actually believed they were genuine. The whole thing with Gigabyte wouldn't have been that bad but the fact that they "officially" announced it makes it even worse.
sheroo
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Sadly that is very true. It's no wonder that as we get older we just get more synical. But for some strange reason I still look for and hope that there is a shred of decency left somewhere...
ShortAlieN
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big company, corporations, same story round and round
Greed makes the world go round.
Yes they want our money and if you feel they are feeding you a lie... they probably are.
Back on topic. From what is known then, would the UD3 - UD7 line be good for ivy?
Greed makes the world go round.
Yes they want our money and if you feel they are feeding you a lie... they probably are.
Back on topic. From what is known then, would the UD3 - UD7 line be good for ivy?
silenthill
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it's been a long time since new hardware has been out to feed the hungry enthusiasts and the statistics show that hard core over clocker'sare growing and the Sandy bridge platform did not appeal to most diehard professionals like (tom) and many others so most companies are fighting on the advertising side to get all the new information about Intel's new boards to the public as quick as possible because if they plant the idea that they were the first to adopt this new technology in the customers mind it will increase sales dramatically as was the case with the USB 3 & SATA 3 and we also have to bear in mind that there is a word recession and customer trust is no longer aissue with big companies and we must not forget that the press play a big rolein feeding consumers with all the new information and there is over 50000 computer hardware sites in all the languages of the world so did you wonder how all these sites get paid, yes by these big companies so dot be surprised when the public have been miss led.
murphy7801
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The 3 Latest Asrock Mobos Have it I have 1 and they all do. so MSI and Gig are Late to the game.
Which board you got and would you rate it ?
If any of you thought a bios updfate would magically make bandwidth for pcie3 appear from no where rather than be COMPATABLE then you really should hang your n0000b heads in shame
Oh you made a good point. I guess the whole blunder is for marketing? Wouldn't the manufactures have to change the layout/chips on the board to make it functional as PCI-E 3.0? Sorry for the lack of knowledge.
Jasonsanders
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Sorry first post and it’s a rant.
What the buggery is going on, I would like to replace my aging system I built it on a budget three years ago and now believe me it needs retiring to the old folks home, what I can’t understand at all is how the hell did everything get so complicated, Intel has how many CPU’s IM bugggggerd if I know what one to buy, what is the best MBO to buy in a budget and don’t get me going on GPU’s it seems you take your eyes off the ball for a few years and everything changes, I feel like i have been frozen for five thousand years and then defrosted popped out in to the world and told hey buddy there you go get on with it.
Things change its progress but I have been doing prudent research reading reviews watching reviews that’s how I found this excellent site and I finally make my mind up and now it’s PCIE 3 WHTF the change from AGP to PCIE is still fresh in my mind, so what to do, wait still longer to build a new system and if I tell you mine is past it and should be buried with full honours or given a pension to live out its days in Eastbourne is an understatement.
I haven’t worked in the industry for a long time now and what I now know is worthless unless you’re running windows 3.01 or 95 when all if did was crash or lock up give you the blue screen of death at least once a day to keep you on your toes, hardware has changes so much in the last four years its unbelievable and now its new MBO’s with PCIE 3, what is the point in buys an GPU that is made for PCIE 3 and sticking it in a PCIE 2 slot none what so ever, the industry preys on us to spend our cash we spend it and a lot of it if you look at how much parts cost today and no sooner do you do it they bring out another new and exciting must have from them, so spend the cash today and get knobbed in a few months time and wishing to the all mighty that you had waited, it’s like placing a bet and losing and then saying “Oh I nearly backed the winner”, yeah well you didn’t, and that’s how I feel about all of this.
I like Intel products but to be honest AMD are a little more realistic with their prices and war is good for business between the two rivals but with all the new bulldozer chips about to be released and Intel about to release the IVY Bridge what am I to do.
Sorry about the post probably the wrong place so forgive me I just don’t want to back the nearly winner.
What the buggery is going on, I would like to replace my aging system I built it on a budget three years ago and now believe me it needs retiring to the old folks home, what I can’t understand at all is how the hell did everything get so complicated, Intel has how many CPU’s IM bugggggerd if I know what one to buy, what is the best MBO to buy in a budget and don’t get me going on GPU’s it seems you take your eyes off the ball for a few years and everything changes, I feel like i have been frozen for five thousand years and then defrosted popped out in to the world and told hey buddy there you go get on with it.
Things change its progress but I have been doing prudent research reading reviews watching reviews that’s how I found this excellent site and I finally make my mind up and now it’s PCIE 3 WHTF the change from AGP to PCIE is still fresh in my mind, so what to do, wait still longer to build a new system and if I tell you mine is past it and should be buried with full honours or given a pension to live out its days in Eastbourne is an understatement.
I haven’t worked in the industry for a long time now and what I now know is worthless unless you’re running windows 3.01 or 95 when all if did was crash or lock up give you the blue screen of death at least once a day to keep you on your toes, hardware has changes so much in the last four years its unbelievable and now its new MBO’s with PCIE 3, what is the point in buys an GPU that is made for PCIE 3 and sticking it in a PCIE 2 slot none what so ever, the industry preys on us to spend our cash we spend it and a lot of it if you look at how much parts cost today and no sooner do you do it they bring out another new and exciting must have from them, so spend the cash today and get knobbed in a few months time and wishing to the all mighty that you had waited, it’s like placing a bet and losing and then saying “Oh I nearly backed the winner”, yeah well you didn’t, and that’s how I feel about all of this.
I like Intel products but to be honest AMD are a little more realistic with their prices and war is good for business between the two rivals but with all the new bulldozer chips about to be released and Intel about to release the IVY Bridge what am I to do.
Sorry about the post probably the wrong place so forgive me I just don’t want to back the nearly winner.
sheroo
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@Darknight247 - Dude I feel your pain, I really do. It's taken a long time for me to get back into all of this stuff, and atm there is alot going on. Open up a topic in the new build advice section giving your budget and what you'll be using the rig for - I'm sure there will be something that us lot can help you with.
Jasonsanders
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Thanks sheroo I think I will do exactly that I think I need some advice, and who said building or buying a rig was easy. or a frontal labotamy might be called for at this rate.
Lollipop
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