Pascal Rumours Who's Excited

Sure! Since I'm getting a 1440p monitor the differences might be so small a system upgrade isn't warranted, at least that's my hope... To out it another way, would you put a high end Pascal in my system?
It's very difficult to say. With DX12 incoming, we may see a shift in the way the CPU works in gaming. You will have to wait and see. You'll definitely gain FPS by upgrading to a 6700K when the Titanium edition Pascal is released, which is totally up to you. I personally think it is, but only because of the additional benefits Skylake brings, such as an additional x4 lane, m.2 support, USB type C/3.1, PCI-e generation 3, etc. If these mean anything to you, alongside the extra frame rates you'll gain, it will be worth it, especially with a GPU like that. If rumours are to be true, personally I don't see a point in getting a Titanium edition Pascal at 1440p unless you absolutely have to have the best of the best and demand the utmost out of every game. If that is the case, you'd also consider upgrading your CPU, or pushing it to 4.8Ghz, if it can. To me, as chintzy as this sounds, a good system is a balanced system. It doesn't make sense to have a £300 monitor with a £700 graphics card and 4-year old CPU and motherboard with 8GB of RAM. This is a common system to see. I just prefer the concept of a well-rounded setup. I don't know why exactly since it's not always critical.

In my opinion, a 2600K at 4.6-4.8Ghz with a Pascal x80 will be a sound setup at 1440p, but you'd definitely benefit by upgrading to a 5820K or 6700K.
 
@ AngryGoldfish: Absolutely, and what I'll do is get either the x80 or Ti, depending which one is out when I can afford one :) If the Ti is out at that time it makes little sense to get the x80, you know what I mean? Having said that, I probably cannot wait until a Ti comes out... :p

Since I don't need the Skylake features I'd only be upgrading because Pascal would 'require' it, kinda an expensive thing for a GPU ;)

I'll stick to my guns, chuck in a Pascal and see how it fares, meanwhile comparative vids will come out, surely, like the PCPER one and provide additional insight.

If rumours are to be true, personally I don't see a point in getting a Titanium edition Pascal at 1440p unless you absolutely have to have the best of the best and demand the utmost out of every game.

The rumours you're referring to being the ones in this thread, I presume?
 
@ AngryGoldfish: Absolutely, and what I'll do is get either the x80 or Ti, depending which one is out when I can afford one :) If the Ti is out at that time it makes little sense to get the x80, you know what I mean? Having said that, I probably cannot wait until a Ti comes out... :p

Since I don't need the Skylake features I'd only be upgrading because Pascal would 'require' it, kinda an expensive thing for a GPU ;)

I'll stick to my guns, chuck in a Pascal and see how it fares, meanwhile comparative vids will come out, surely, like the PCPER one and provide additional insight.

If rumours are to be true, personally I don't see a point in getting a Titanium edition Pascal at 1440p unless you absolutely have to have the best of the best and demand the utmost out of every game.

The rumours you're referring to being the ones in this thread, I presume?
Yeah, that's a fair point. If I had a choice between a 980ti or a 980 at 1440p, it doesn't make sense to get a 980 unless you're on a strict budget. But if all goes to plan, a x80Ti will be what a heavily overclocked 980 is to 1080p now, or even a 295X2, which is to say it's a little overpowered. I guess it depends on what games are out at the time, as well as what GPU is out. Something tells me the Titanium Pascal will be very expensive, due to the brand-new architecture. I imagine it will be more than 980ti was/is. If I remember rightly, the 780ti was $700, yet the 780 was $500. Compare that to the 980 being $550 and the 980ti being $650. The 980ti was substantially better than the 980, with the 780ti having a smaller lead over the 780. It was an odd pricing structure, at least compared to Maxwell and the original 290X, which was a much better deal. The 980 was overpriced, but the 980ti was very good value. The 780 was good value, but the 780ti wasn't. Kinda strange, really. In general, the 780ti was underpowered when we compare it to the 980ti vs 980 graph.

And yeah, rumours in this thread and elsewhere. There aren't any definitive rumours suggesting the power, not at least that I can translate anyway.
 
Yeah, that's a fair point. If I had a choice between a 980ti or a 980 at 1440p, it doesn't make sense to get a 980 unless you're on a strict budget. But if all goes to plan, a x80Ti will be what a heavily overclocked 980 is to 1080p now, or even a 295X2, which is to say it's a little overpowered. I guess it depends on what games are out at the time, as well as what GPU is out. Something tells me the Titanium Pascal will be very expensive, due to the brand-new architecture. I imagine it will be more than 980ti was/is. If I remember rightly, the 780ti was $700, yet the 780 was $500. Compare that to the 980 being $550 and the 980ti being $650. The 980ti was substantially better than the 980, with the 780ti having a smaller lead over the 780. It was an odd pricing structure, at least compared to Maxwell and the original 290X, which was a much better deal. The 980 was overpriced, but the 980ti was very good value. The 780 was good value, but the 780ti wasn't. Kinda strange, really. In general, the 780ti was underpowered when we compare it to the 980ti vs 980 graph.

And yeah, rumours in this thread and elsewhere. There aren't any definitive rumours suggesting the power, not at least that I can translate anyway.

Yeah it's all relative to quite a few factors.

Besides, knowing myself I'll probably end up with an x80 and stay with until Volta or beyond - I doubt I can wait for the Ti and I'm not one to upgrade within the same family (purely a budget thing).

I'm ready for more Pascal facts - specs and performance :D
 
Yeah it's all relative to quite a few factors.

Besides, knowing myself I'll probably end up with an x80 and stay with until Volta or beyond - I doubt I can wait for the Ti and I'm not one to upgrade within the same family (purely a budget thing).

I'm ready for more Pascal facts - specs and performance :D
I've said this before, but I truly hope AMD can bring their next GPU's sooner rather than later. If Pascal is out by March of 2016, AMD's Arctic Islands needs to be out by July. Otherwise they'd suffer the same fate as this past generation. They need new GPU's to compete. Pascal is going wipe the floor of everything AMD will have except the Fury X dual GPU, Gemini or whatever it's going to be called, far more than the 980 did to the 290X. It wasn't until the 980ti came out that AMD really fell off the map. That's going to happen again if they don't release at least one or two competitors.
 
I don't know why everyone is sooooo sure Pascal is the next biggest thing and literally every single person I know can't stop talking about it. No one mentions AMDs Arctic Islands? No idea why. Pascal's only feature we know is HBM of which AMD already has so I can't see how everyone is so sure it's leagues ahead of what AMD plan on. Both are expected to be HBM2 and 14nm and really that's it. Both are exciting but it's rather annoying when everyone fangirls over Pascal when there is nothing we know outside of HBM. Heck I think Intels next gen GPUs are more exiciting, we already know the big advancements of Nvidia and AMD, I'm more interested in how much Intel improve's and how much they can improve compared to low end discrete gpus
 
I don't know why everyone is sooooo sure Pascal is the next biggest thing and literally every single person I know can't stop talking about it. No one mentions AMDs Arctic Islands? No idea why. Pascal's only feature we know is HBM of which AMD already has so I can't see how everyone is so sure it's leagues ahead of what AMD plan on. Both are expected to be HBM2 and 14nm and really that's it. Both are exciting but it's rather annoying when everyone fangirls over Pascal when there is nothing we know outside of HBM. Heck I think Intels next gen GPUs are more exiciting, we already know the big advancements of Nvidia and AMD, I'm more interested in how much Intel improve's and how much they can improve compared to low end discrete gpus

Personally I'd like to know more about AMD's next flahship on the 16/14nm process :)
 
Personally I'd like to know more about AMD's next flahship on the 16/14nm process :)

I'm pretty sure all next GPUs will have 14nm from Global Foundaries. TSMC was struggling on 16nm and really is only starting up volume production. GF on the other hand has 14nm already under volume production and there next 14nm version starts in a couple months too. So if AMD/Nvidia both are aiming at mid next year then I'm certain they would prefer 14nm over 16nm as well as GF having much better yields too which would help with Supply as I suspect both of them to be out of stock for a long while due to the hype. Either way it's such a large node jump this should easily be the biggest all around gains we get from GPUs in years:)
 
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The compute workloads for things involving FP32/etc don't really have much to do with Async. The async compute stuff is just the scheduler supporting multiple commands/queues at once and distributing them out to the GPU. The tier stuff won't cause any issues, it's designed purposefully to make it that way and is why it's tiered in the first place. It's just there incase a GPU supports it and can be enabled. The core DX12 improvements are universal across any tier.

That would be great news indeed since I was worried about those gaps, but I guess at the same time if NVIDIA needed to figure out the async compute part of their drivers that hopefully that gets resolved soon... but that's still odd that it hasn't since they've been boasting their partnership with Microsoft to make the best of Dx12. Meh, as long as it works on my GTX 680 SLI setup I'll be happy. :P
 
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That would be great news indeed since I was worried about those gaps, but I guess at the same time if NVIDIA needed to figure out the async compute part of their drivers that hopefully that gets resolved soon... but that's still odd that it hasn't since they've been boasting their partnership with Microsoft to make the best of Dx12. Meh, as long as it works on my GTX 680 SLI setup I'll be happy. :P

Its more on the hardware level they need to better support it. As of now they are doing it through drivers and it's not that efficient compared to hardware method. I'm interested in how they can beef up there scheduler's and if AMD further beefs up there's too.
 
I don't know why everyone is sooooo sure Pascal is the next biggest thing and literally every single person I know can't stop talking about it. No one mentions AMDs Arctic Islands? No idea why. Pascal's only feature we know is HBM of which AMD already has so I can't see how everyone is so sure it's leagues ahead of what AMD plan on. Both are expected to be HBM2 and 14nm and really that's it. Both are exciting but it's rather annoying when everyone fangirls over Pascal when there is nothing we know outside of HBM. Heck I think Intels next gen GPUs are more exiciting, we already know the big advancements of Nvidia and AMD, I'm more interested in how much Intel improve's and how much they can improve compared to low end discrete gpus
I've noticed DiceHunter talk about his excitement for AMD's next GPU's, and a few others have mentioned theirs too. I'm personally more excited for AMD than nVidia. We already know nVidia are going to kill it. We know they have the capital to make astonishing GPU's. However, if AMD are able to make another '290X'—as in, a genuine and sensible alternative to nVidia's flagship—but with all the temperature and power consumption benefits of the new architecture, that would be amazing and far more exciting. No one doubts that AMD can remain highly competitive in the budget field, but it's the 390/390X/Fury/Fury X/Gemini field that is questionable.

Ultimately, what's exciting is that whatever nVidia and AMD release, it's going to be more than enough for 1080p and 1440p gaming, even on a budget, with 4K gaming being very much a reality with a single GPU for titles like Shadow of Mordor, BF4, Rainbow Six, The Phantom Pain, etc., and 4K with two 'x80' GPU's in games like TW3, Assassin's Creed, GTA V, etc., rather than two x80 Titanium edition cards.
 
I've noticed DiceHunter talk about his excitement for AMD's next GPU's, and a few others have mentioned theirs too. I'm personally more excited for AMD than nVidia. We already know nVidia are going to kill it. We know they have the capital to make astonishing GPU's. However, if AMD are able to make another '290X'—as in, a genuine and sensible alternative to nVidia's flagship—but with all the temperature and power consumption benefits of the new architecture, that would be amazing and far more exciting. No one doubts that AMD can remain highly competitive in the budget field, but it's the 390/390X/Fury/Fury X/Gemini field that is questionable.

Ultimately, what's exciting is that whatever nVidia and AMD release, it's going to be more than enough for 1080p and 1440p gaming, even on a budget, with 4K gaming being very much a reality with a single GPU for titles like Shadow of Mordor, BF4, Rainbow Six, The Phantom Pain, etc., and 4K with two 'x80' GPU's in games like TW3, Assassin's Creed, GTA V, etc., rather than two x80 Titanium edition cards.

I'm not blaming anyone here, it's more just a general consensus around the net. I even had one guy on ebay asking me to sell him my 390x super cheap because it's not worth it due to AMDs next gen Pascal GPU coming up.. like wtf seriously? Is Pascal sooo synonymous for next gen GPUs that people are thinking it's AMDs? That's a marketing nightmare and one thing AMD 400% do not need
 
I think he's just very misinformed or didn't read in at all ;)

Well probably but still my point stands that Pascal seems to be the only thing people talk about with next GPUs and thats really how it is across the net. It's just bad for AMD who can't fail to sell next gen so they can stay in business and we actually have some competition.
 
I'm not blaming anyone here, it's more just a general consensus around the net. I even had one guy on ebay asking me to sell him my 390x super cheap because it's not worth it due to AMDs next gen Pascal GPU coming up.. like wtf seriously? Is Pascal sooo synonymous for next gen GPUs that people are thinking it's AMDs? That's a marketing nightmare and one thing AMD 400% do not need
I know what you mean, man, and I totally agree. I actually corrected a major tech news report the other day. Their article discussed the end of AMD, asking the community whether they thought they had a future. I don't feel that is appropriate journalism. It sparks unnecessary negativity, and was a sad attempt at earning hits. It's like shooting the horse dead before it's broken its leg. AMD is still very much alive and can come back from whatever slump they're in. So many people are flat out pretending that AMD do not exist at this point, which perpetuates the downward spiral and alienates potential new customers by creating anxiety and removing any faith or trust consumers have in the company. You have people saying things like, "I hope AMD can come out with a really competitive GPU so that nVidia don't increase theirs prices and I can keep buying their graphics cards at the best prices." The problem with that is if everyone did the same thing, no would be buying AMD because they're too busy hoping AMD will succeed instead of actually supporting them. It makes no sense. I went out of my way to buy a Fury. Not because the 980 is a far superior card, but because the Fury was a little overpriced and the overclocking was poor. I still wanted to support AMD. I wanted to help keep the wheels turning.

The community are beginning to look at nVidia like they do Intel, in that they pretend AMD do not exist, never factoring in their products or marketing angle. In the processor world, at least for the last year two years, that would have been understandable. Realistically, AMD's performance has not been anywhere near what it needed to be. Compare that to graphics division. The Fury X beats or matches the 980ti in the Battlefront beta testing done by Guru3D. Undoubtedly nVidia will release a driver that will boost performance while AMD's numbers will remain the same, at least for a few months, but the Fury can hit almost 80 FPS at 1440p in a brand-new game. That's excellent. It's even better than BF4, which can only hit around 65 FPS at the same settings. Although I think that is with MSAA, while Battlefront is with FXAA.
 
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So was just having a random search and Tweak Town was talking about Nvidia's Upcoming Pascal 16nm HBM2 Gpu's and supposedly the release is Q1 next year with upto 32 gig ram so who's interested and excited for this? I know Iam if it's true
What do you all reckon?

Pascal = lollies.

My current setup will get me through the next year or two. Then I'll retire my rig to media server land and go with a whole new build. Hopefully by then the next gen AMD and Nvidia have settled on a common display technology. I can probably see my next cards being determined by whatever display I buy next year. Freesync or GSync.

Either way they should be more than capable. The energy efficiency (less power and heat output) gains just in the last couple of years is amazing.
 
So was just having a random search and Tweak Town was talking about Nvidia's Upcoming Pascal 16nm HBM2 Gpu's and supposedly the release is Q1 next year with upto 32 gig ram so who's interested and excited for this? I know Iam if it's true
What do you all reckon?

I try not to ever get excited about rumours. Too much of a letdown.
 
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