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Hello guys, I'm also relatively new to this forum. What better way to introduce myself than to show off my newly-built rig here.

First,a little background on myself with regards to PCs...up until now I've only bought computers off the shelf. I was more of a casual user, the kind that only surfs web, checks email and plays all of his games on consoles (I still do for the time being). 2004 was a golden year for me. I played my first PC titles and even upgraded my stock graphics card in my Sony VAIO to a Geforce 6800 GT! Doom 3, UT2004, CounterStrike. Those were awesome good times, but short lived. I never really got into it for some reason. But then 2009 came and I converted to the dark side; went from PC to Mac. Then my entire world revolved around Apple. For three years. But now I've come back from the darkness. I no longer wish to be tied down to their ecosystem and way of doing things. Now I can count myself among a very small minority; the kind that go back to the PC side of things.

Now lets get on with the build. Not only did I not want my next computer to be anything with an Apple logo on it, but I didn't want it to come with any junk software either. And I really wanted to learn how to build my own system so here I am, after literally hundreds of hours of research on parts and such. There is a reason I chose each part that I did in this build so without further ado..

Case: Cooler Master Cosmos II
Well what can I say, this is the mother of all computer cases. I wanted a case that 1, had good cable management, 2, was elegant and simple, and 3 had good build quality. Initially I had my sights set on the Corsair 800D. It checked all those boxes. And then I saw this. Upon looking at the Cosmos II for the first time it checked all those boxes and so much more. I liked it so much that I willing to put up with the size, weight and $350USD asking price. The "P" in PC stands for personal and it is my opinion that if one should be given the choice to spend more money on one part in particular it's the case. After all it is the first (and in many cases, only) thing that people see.

PSU: Corsair AX1200i
My main considerations for the power supply are flexibility and clean power delivery to the system. I went with the common wisdom in this regard and only looked at reputable name brands. I looked at options from the likes of Antec, Corsair, Seasonic, etc. I eventually found the AX1200 and read reviews for it and the sheer number of people that use AX series in their builds. Again it checked all the above boxes and so much more. Now come the AX1200i. 80plus Platinum certified, DSP, Corsair LINK, and my favorite, a 7-year warranty. All this made it a no-brainer, but why 1200W one might ask? Again flexibility. The case and PSU are the two things in this build that I only want to buy once and use them thru several builds in the future. And who knows I may very well get into extreme overclocking or run 4-way SLI or something crazy like that down the road.

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770k
When I chose the core and the platform that it would run on there was only question that needed asking: Z77 or X79? Ivy Bridge or Sandy Bridge-E? (two questions really) A simple enough question but effin' tough to answer. Then I thought about my priorities. I'm using this system primarily for gaming with some occasional creative work. Then I thought about what each platform brings to the table. Six cores is overkill for all but a handful of games (maybe that will change in the far future perhaps?). Memory controller on Ivy Bridge is capable of higher clocks. Games can benefit slightly from that. IB natively supports PCI Express 3 and USB 3 as well. Thought about those things and blah blah blah and in the end I decided that Z77/Ivy Bridge has more to offer for me right now (sorry AMD :p). While an i5 is more than sufficient for gaming I got the i7 anyway simply because I can.

Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus V Formula
One thing I didn't mention earlier, but I definitely intend to get into watercooling with my rig. This is only one of the considerations I thought about when I looked at motherboards. It also has to have sufficient PCI Express slots, has to overclock reliably, etc. The GIGABYTE Sniper is a good board but didn't like the green color scheme. ROG at the time only had the Maximus V Gene, which is micro-ATX. While I could put that in my case, why the hell would I want to do that?! So it came down to either the Formula or the Extreme. The main differences being four PCIe slots on the Extreme versus three on the Formula, more overclocking features on the Extreme, but, WHAT, a waterblock on the Formula?! The VRMs on the Formula are covered by a feature called Fusion Thermo, which is a combination waterblock/heatpipe assembly. The Formula also comes with mPCIe Combo, an add-on card with an mPCIe WiFi module and an open mSATA slot. The Formula is easily a winner in my book.

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 612 PWM
I know I said I will watercool my rig but not until I have graphics cards in hand, which I do not at the time of this writing. I'll just have to make do with this for the time being. It's a massive cooler and I easily got 4.6GHz out of my CPU with it. HOWEVER, it's a good buy ONLY if you have low-profile memory, a lesson I learned the hard way I'm afraid. Fortunately for me the fins on my DIMMs are removable so a meet this requirement.

Memory: G.Skill Trident X 2x4GB, 2400MHz, 10-12-12-31
This is probably the one part where I made my decision based on price versus performance. $89.99USD on Newegg gets me the above specs. As an added bonus the cooling fins are removable effectively making these low-profile, a feature I have had to make use of. HOWEVER, as it so happens my DIMMs are unstable at 2400MHz. I am hoping it's because I removed the fin from one of them but if that is not the case I may move on to Corsair Dominator Platinum in the future. :mad: For the time being though I have dialed it down to 2133MHz/9-11-11-28.

Boot drive: Mushkin Atlas 60GB mSATA SSD
I have decided to put that mPCIe Combo to good use here. This SSD in particular has very good performance (for an mSATA SSD) and is made in America.

Drive for my games: 2x Intel 520 series 240GB in RAID 0
In all honesty I could not care less about how fast Windows boots up because my system is almost constantly on. What I do care about is how fast my games load. When looking at SSDs I only looked at stated specs at first. I initially considered the OCZ Vertex 4 SSD. 120k IOPS sounds good right? As I have learned manufacturer specs do not tell the whole story. In choosing an SSD I also looked at both synthetic benchmarks and real world tests to see how it performed versus other SSDs. Needless to say the Vertex 4 fell behind other SSDs in read performance. On the other had its write performance is in the stratosphere. But like I said earlier I care about how fast my games load so I based my buying decision on read performance. Granted synthetic benchmarks are not truly indicative of real world use and SSD controllers perform differently even between different models with the same controller. In the end the Intel 520 series was consistently near the top of all the tests that I have seen in read performance and write performance is also considerable as well. As a bonus they based on 5k NAND and come with a 5-year warranty.

ODD: ASUS 12B1ST 12x Blu-Ray Writer: I'm probably wasting time writing about this but I got this because I have a sizable collection of movies I'd like to back up. Spent five bucks extra to get burning capability.

Graphics card: None yet. See http://forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?t=45667

Conclusion:

I really love how this build has turned out so far (memory notwithstanding). I'm sure I've spent a lot more money than was needed to achieve the same results but I am fine with that as this is a high end build that I can be proud of for many years. So please share your thoughts on this. Could I have done anything better? Anything I missed? Is the name "Paradox" a registered trademark? Am I just a noob waiting to get pwned? All criticisms welcome.
 

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What? If you didn't notice I was asking a question, I now see that he will most likely go for 2 670's. P.s Still massive overkill
 
This system is unbalanced, the money you could have saved on a more mainstream case and PSU instead of a cosmos 2 and ax 1200i could have got yourself another 670 for SLI or a stupidly overclocked non reference 680
 
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It's not like he bought a shit PSU, it might be overkill, but the rig looks awesome dude!
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Well what I am trying to say is if I need more power in the future I will already have it. May as well invest the money now so I don't have to later. Much rather have too much friggin power than not enough. As far as the case is concerned I like it more than any other and can run any configuration in it. These are one-time buys; long-term investments if you will.
 
I HATE it how people ALWAYS bitch about the power supply. Guaranteed if someone has a system with a 1000W that only need 750 or 850 for example, people will ALWAYS have a bitch "wahh too much power, should have got a 750 blah blah blah" STFU it's their system, they can buy a 1200W if they want to! As stated above the P in PC stands for Personal FFS. And he has said he got it for future in case of 3 way SLI. So everyone shut up.

I've been bottling that up for quite some time.
 
We bitch when it doesnt really make sense...

I get it's their system and all, but you have to agree, when someone spends ridiculous money on a case, psu, and RAM that isnt even gunna make a difference, and that means they cut back on in this case a processor cooler then you do question some logic.

If he'd have saved money on the case, psu and RAM, he could have easily saved enough money to do a full loop watercooled system.

I think the case just looks stupid without watercooling - and the build looks stupid with the current cooler.
 
it ofcourse is their choise, but i guess people who post their rig do that so they can talk/discuss about it.
 
We bitch when it doesnt really make sense...

I get it's their system and all, but you have to agree, when someone spends ridiculous money on a case, psu, and RAM that isnt even gunna make a difference, and that means they cut back on in this case a processor cooler then you do question some logic.

If he'd have saved money on the case, psu and RAM, he could have easily saved enough money to do a full loop watercooled system.

I think the case just looks stupid without watercooling - and the build looks stupid with the current cooler.

Well as far as the case is concerned people tend to be on one extreme end of the spectrum or the other. You either love it or hate it. And I must disagree somewhat about the memory since there are more expensive kits out there with lower specs although they tend to be higher quality. And, yes, a case like this should have watercooling and it almost defeats the purpose to have an aircooler in it.

You have to understand when you do a high-end build like this that costs thousands of dollars (or pounds in your case) you are probably not going to get it all done at once; you have to take steps and sometimes you have to employ temporary measures until you are able to achieve the end result you want. Most importantly you have to be willing and have the patience to use such means to achieve that desired end result. Personally I like it better this way. Watching a project take shape over time is like watching a child grow. You develop a much deeper appreciation for something if you must make sacrifices to get it; deeper than any instant gratification will provide. And that, my friend, is exactly what I am doing.
 
Well as far as the case is concerned people tend to be on one extreme end of the spectrum or the other. You either love it or hate it. And I must disagree somewhat about the memory since there are more expensive kits out there with lower specs although they tend to be higher quality. And, yes, a case like this should have watercooling and it almost defeats the purpose to have an aircooler in it.

You have to understand when you do a high-end build like this that costs thousands of dollars (or pounds in your case) you are probably not going to get it all done at once; you have to take steps and sometimes you have to employ temporary measures until you are able to achieve the end result you want. Most importantly you have to be willing and have the patience to use such means to achieve that desired end result. Personally I like it better this way. Watching a project take shape over time is like watching a child grow. You develop a much deeper appreciation for something if you must make sacrifices to get it; deeper than any instant gratification will provide. And that, my friend, is exactly what I am doing.
We actually like beast PCs here. But what we don't like is money being wasted. So unless the AX1200i was cheaper than the AX850 for example, this was money wasted. (yes I know stores in the Netherlands, where I live, where the Silverstone Strider Gold 1200w is cheaper than an AX850. So I'm getting that for my build. Because it's cheaper).
And you actually feel really good when you've saved a lot of cash on the build and can spend it on things like (a) monitor(s), a high end Mouse and Keyboard, high end mousepad, sound card, speakers, sleeved cables, LEDs etc.
EDIT: I've got to say, I DO like your TV :)
 
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The thing EVERYONE has to remember at the end of the day is that Advise is just Advise, if that person takes it on board, thats great, if they dont, well youve made you opinion known, and they want to go a different route, we all work hard for our cash so if we really spend it on something thats overkill, as long as that person is happy surely thats all that matters?
Anyway this threads going off topic, back to the rig guys and girls
 
We actually like beast PCs here. But what we don't like is money being wasted. So unless the AX1200i was cheaper than the AX850 for example, this was money wasted. (yes I know stores in the Netherlands, where I live, where the Silverstone Strider Gold 1200w is cheaper than an AX850. So I'm getting that for my build. Because it's cheaper).
And you actually feel really good when you've saved a lot of cash on the build and can spend it on things like (a) monitor(s), a high end Mouse and Keyboard, high end mousepad, sound card, speakers, sleeved cables, LEDs etc.
EDIT: I've got to say, I DO like your TV :)

Contrary to popular opinion I didn't just blow money on everything in this build. I bought my Intel parts at a steep discount. My choice on memory, I believe, is the best price/performance-wise. The PSU, well, I chose the Corsair unit because it brought the most to the table (it DOES come with sleeved cables BTW). Don't get me wrong though; Silverstone does make great PSUs. Oh, the Vizio you see in our living room belongs to my roommate.^_^
 
Contrary to popular opinion I didn't just blow money on everything in this build. I bought my Intel parts at a steep discount. My choice on memory, I believe, is the best price/performance-wise. The PSU, well, I chose the Corsair unit because it brought the most to the table (it DOES come with sleeved cables BTW). Don't get me wrong though; Silverstone does make great PSUs. Oh, the Vizio you see in our living room belongs to my roommate.^_^
I think I heard somewhere that bitfenix is releasing their PSU Replacement cables soon. So no more extensions :D
 
I think I heard somewhere that bitfenix is releasing their PSU Replacement cables soon. So no more extensions :D

Doubt that, they did a one-off for tom.

TBF I said to a rep of theirs a while back, I can't see how they'd do it. Every psu manufacturer has different modular connectors at the psu end so bitfenix would have to either shortlist the popular brands or make a gajillion skus.

Plus some psu oems put in-line caps in the cables, like on the ocz zx 24pin cable (great wall oem?)

BTW, yes psu is overkill atm, everyone knows that system would be fine on a 650w, but op has explained his reasoning.
Before anyone whinges, my reasoning for getting my ax1200i is:
-ax850i not released
-better 12v regulation than ax850. As a direct result I now don't need any extra memory voltage to get my better lightning mem to +630 offset
-silent operation as even during gaming I don't draw enough/reach high enough temps to spin the fan at all.
-support for adding a third lightning (although if i got another i would get 3 lightning extremes with 4gb mem as 3 cards can actually utilize it)
-more efficient than ax850 at all loads above something like 94 watts, I idle over 100.
 
I have a GTX680 1.3ghz, i5 2500k 4.6ghz, 16gb 1600mhz ram, maximus gene z gen 3, and a corsair h100 and i only bull 430 watts out of the wall on load. I use a corsair ax850.
 
I have a GTX680 1.3ghz, i5 2500k 4.6ghz, 16gb 1600mhz ram, maximus gene z gen 3, and a corsair h100 and i only bull 430 watts out of the wall on load. I use a corsair ax850.

Well this build I am going 2-way SLI for sure; next build will be more than that possibly. Though I can imagine 3 or 4 way being south of 850W if they continue the trend of GPUs using less power.
 
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