Overclocker Delids AMD AM4 CPU

[WYP]

The overclocker Nam Dae Won has Delidded an AMD AM4 CPU, revealing that the CPU uses solder or liquid metal as its thermal interface material.



Read more on AMD's thermal interface material.

 

[Aussiejuggalo]

That is interesting, hopefully Summit Ridge will be the same. Don't really feel like delidding an expensive 8 core CPU .

I wonder if this will make Intel change back to soldering or if they'll stick with the cheap crappy TIM they've been using since Ivy.

 

[Warchild]

So good to see that AMD dont cut corners with cheap TIM like Intel do. And yet they can still price their chips way lower than them. Impressive.

I wish this info would explode on the web and force Intel to rethink their cost cutting practices.

 

[AlienALX]

So good to see that AMD dont cut corners with cheap TIM like Intel do. And yet they can still price their chips way lower than them. Impressive.

I wish this info would explode on the web and force Intel to rethink their cost cutting practices.

Intel do not do it to save money. They do it because dies so tiny are prone to cracking when you heat them up to solder melting temps. I don't know how many times we need to go over this, but yeah, do some research man.

Now they do skimp on the actual TIM, but like GPU manus they just play it safe, using something that will and is known to last.

 

[Dawelio]

Intel do not do it to save money. They do it because dies so tiny are prone to cracking when you heat them up to solder melting temps. I don't know how many times we need to go over this, but yeah, do some research man.

Now they do skimp on the actual TIM, but like GPU manus they just play it safe, using something that will and is known to last.

An completely unecessary comment there. Why even write it in the first place and come off as rude? :mellow:...

 

[Doomslayer]

An completely unecessary comment there. Why even write it in the first place and come off as rude? :mellow:...

Cause it's not that hard to do the research, Some people (i'm not pointing any fingers i'm saying in general) don't and i just find that to be lazy when people can't be bother to do it in the first place.

 

[AlienALX]

An completely unecessary comment there. Why even write it in the first place and come off as rude? :mellow:...

So it's OK for Intel to be defamed for something that they actually didn't do, but rude to reply?

I'm no fan of Intel, but seeing them constantly slagged off for something they haven't done (rather than the myriad of things they have !) is annoying.

It's not a big secret. This information was made public back when it began. Intel have responded too, stating that if they solder the dies they crack.

 

[Dark NighT]

So it's OK for Intel to be defamed for something that they actually didn't do, but rude to reply?

I'm no fan of Intel, but seeing them constantly slagged off for something they haven't done (rather than the myriad of things they have !) is annoying.

It's not a big secret. This information was made public back when it began. Intel have responded too, stating that if they solder the dies they crack.

I did not even know about chips cracking, today i learned, so thanks for that. I didn't care why intel stopped soldering and used tim instead, all i wanted is them using good stuff.

 

[AlienALX]

I did not even know about chips cracking, today i learned, so thanks for that. I didn't care why intel stopped soldering and used tim instead, all i wanted is them using good stuff.

The problem with the "good stuff" is that like many performance things it does not last, or, has not been lab tested to last. With a CPU you can't just replace the TIM every year or two (or less) without voiding your warranty.

So Intel just use the safe method, guaranteed to last (kinda like that putty that they use on GPUs). They are not doing it to annoy us, or to save money because if they really wanted to they could make their own TIM (in fact, they probably already do tbh).

This was all explained in an article by the guys who originally delidded Ivy.

 

[Warchild]

So it's OK for Intel to be defamed for something that they actually didn't do, but rude to reply?

I'm no fan of Intel, but seeing them constantly slagged off for something they haven't done (rather than the myriad of things they have !) is annoying.

It's not a big secret. This information was made public back when it began. Intel have responded too, stating that if they solder the dies they crack.

Yeah but you read my comment, misread it completely and then accuse me of defamation. Good job.

Where did i say that Intel should use solder? I didnt. I said they cut corners. They had even admitted to using low quality TIM and will push to improve it in future as well as address the gap of the IHS and die. So next time you feel like being condescending do your own research and also read posts properly.

 

[AlienALX]

Yeah but you read my comment, misread it completely and then accuse me of defamation. Good job.

Where did i say that Intel should use solder? I didnt. I said they cut corners. They had even admitted to using low quality TIM and will push to improve it in future as well as address the gap of the IHS and die. So next time you feel like being condescending do your own research and also read posts properly.

I didn't misread anything. Intel have not admitted to using low quality TIM, they just don't use high performance TIM. There is a difference !

Most high performance items are not practical. Like using a sports car as a daily driver ETC. All of these TIMs that people are using on delidded CPUs have not been tested to see how long they actually last. The stuff Intel are using lasts for years and years.

As for the rest? Forum user knows more than multi billion pound corporation springs to mind.

You actually don't.

 

[SPS]

There's literally no reason to make posts personal like that. Consider how the other person will react before posting.

 

[Warchild]

You did misread my comment because you assumed I was talking about Intel not soldering

"Earlier this year Intel Corp.’s promised that its Core i7-4790K and Core i7-4690K “Devil’s Canyon” microprocessors will have considerably better overclocking potential compared to the original chips based on the “Haswell” micro-architecture released last year thanks to improved thermal interface between the die and the heat-spreader as well as revamped power supply circuity. However, actual overclocking attempts of a Core i7-4790K central processing unit by KitGuru’s reviewer Luke Hill did not reveal any breakthroughs. Apparently, the reason for that is quite simple: the new thermal interface that Intel uses still has limited efficiency."

"In both cases Intel’s NGPTIM could only outperform KPT-8 (an old thermal paste developed in 1974 in the USSR) paste and was less efficient than inexpensive Arctic Cooling MX-2. Highly-efficient Coollaboratory Liquid Pro compound proved to be dramatically better than Intel’s NGPTIM"

source

The actual test report is in Russian

This was the point I was trying to make. Intel had admitted their TIM (havent found the link yet) wasn't good enough (and at the time the report quoted "low quality") and had improved it. However it still isn't good enough. Yes its compared to aftermarket TIM but the point still stands. At least they came through on their promise to improve the TIM.

Im not out to make some childish "i told you so" comment. This community is better than that. I was trying to state that Intel did cut corners. Lets face it, companies who can do this, will try to do this. Ivy bridge they suffered since it was the first time away from soldering so the backlash was great. What made it worse was the quality was very poor.

The issue that still stands right though is that the IHS gap is too large. Not sure if its fixed in Kaby Lake or new batches of Skylake but the problem is there.

 

[AlienALX]

Im not out to make some childish "i told you so" comment.

Really?

 

[Dicehunter]

Another aggro filled argumentative day on the forums, Wonderful ! XD

Chill lads, Aint worth it.

 

[Warchild]

Another aggro filled argumentative day on the forums, Wonderful ! XD

Chill lads, Aint worth it.

I'm already over it. Just reminded myself to see if I can find some more Liquidpro on offer during the black friday period. Anyone know a good supplier please let me know since im flying home to UK next month.

 

[Dark NighT]

The problem with the "good stuff" is that like many performance things it does not last, or, has not been lab tested to last. With a CPU you can't just replace the TIM every year or two (or less) without voiding your warranty.

So Intel just use the safe method, guaranteed to last (kinda like that putty that they use on GPUs). They are not doing it to annoy us, or to save money because if they really wanted to they could make their own TIM (in fact, they probably already do tbh).

This was all explained in an article by the guys who originally delidded Ivy.

yeah that is true, i didn't think that far ahead ^^ Thanks.

 

[AlienALX]

I'm already over it..

That's why you posted again because you are so over it.

Ignoring all of your waffle I am still waiting for you to prove that Intel admitted to using shoddy TIM.

Good luck in your quest. In future I suggest you look for rocking horse poo, because you would have more chance of finding it than a confession that would leave Intel wide open to be sued rotten.

 

[Dicehunter]

I'm already over it. Just reminded myself to see if I can find some more Liquidpro on offer during the black friday period. Anyone know a good supplier please let me know since im flying home to UK next month.

Thermal Grizzly liquid metal, It's the sex !

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/thermal-grizzly-conductonaut-thermal-paste-1g-th-021-tg.html

 

[Warchild]

Thermal Grizzly liquid metal, It's the sex !

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/thermal-grizzly-conductonaut-thermal-paste-1g-th-021-tg.html

Im all over this like white on rice on a paper plate in a snow storm.

On that note. I have a cute little liquid metal tattoo pin point under my skin on the thumb from when I stabbed myself with the needle. My first tattoo and I did it myself!