Nvidia website reveals RTX 20 series pricing and shipping dates

In this case it may be worth the price. The jump from 980Ti to 1080Ti gave you more of the same. Instead of 90 FPS you would have 140 FPS. It is a significant difference but for most not worth the money.

Now you don't get more of the same. You get something different, and you can't compensate with turning of MSAA.

Either you have it, or you don't. That makes it worth the upgrade.


On a side note: I went 980 Ti > 1080 (current card).


Indeed, you either have or don't have RT. The real question is, how many games will make use of it outside of the advertised bunch from the conference? It may not worth it to get an RT card until Ampere or whatever comes after.


I'm also weary because of the fact that all they did was push RT and showed no comparisons to previous gens outside of RT.


I know prices are way to high!
But since when is euro<usd? o.O



You saw my screenshot? My expectations were spot on. It's been like that since forever and a day. I feel like writing a strongly worded letter to Nvidia (j/k) but instead I am going to blow of some steam in FH3 with some Lamborghini's.
 
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I know prices are way to high!
But since when is euro<usd? o.O

Prices in Euros are with tax. Prices in USD are without tax. Also there are shipping and import taxes included in Euro prices. That is why in Europe it is always slightly higher price than in USD.
 
On a side note: I went 980 Ti > 1080 (current card).


Indeed, you either have or don't have RT. The real question is, how many games will make use of it outside of the advertised bunch from the conference? It may not worth it to get an RT card until Ampere or whatever comes after.


I'm also weary because of the fact that all they did was push RT and showed no comparisons to previous gens outside of RT.

By the looks of how hard is Nvidia pushing, Microsoft getting on the board, and with lack of response from AMD i think most of the AAA games will support it. And with implementation in major game engines (Unreal, Cryengine, etc...) even Indie games will have it.

The jump in non-RT games will be probably the same as with 980Ti -> 1080.
 
By the looks of how hard is Nvidia pushing, Microsoft getting on the board, and with lack of response from AMD i think most of the AAA games will support it. And with implementation in major game engines (Unreal, Cryengine, etc...) even Indie games will have it.

The jump in non-RT games will be probably the same as with 980Ti -> 1080.


I'm not convinced that many games will properly and fully utilize RT; it requires a lot of additional effort and time on the dev part but without it their games will sell for an equal price. For now I thread carefully and say that RT is still in its infancy as far as said utilization goes.
 
Why would i need to be bought to have a positive opinion?

It is a premium product, that offers the luxury of better features. And you pay extra for it. You can still have 1080Ti, and play all games without new eyecandy, and be fine with it.

I drive a Mercedes C-Class. It costs me a lot more to run, register, service, or repair than my friend's NISSAN Micra. It is a premium product that offers more features, and i pay extra for it. Why is it different with GPUs?


LOL don't give me your stupid analogies dude.

Seriously, if you can justify £1150 on a GPU then that is fine, but don't try and convince others it is worth it. It's people like you who have allowed this charade.

Go on, order one. Then next year when they release the next one and it is £1500 come back and tell me the same thing. Because it would be you who enabled that to happen.
 
I'm not convinced that many games will properly and fully utilize RT; it requires a lot of additional effort and time on the dev part but without it their games will sell for an equal price. For now I thread carefully and say that RT is still in its infancy as far as said utilization goes.

We don't have the capability to do proper RT so obviously expecting it in real time is impossible. Pretty much what we have now is a RT with a denoise filter. It's a mix of current tech with basic RT.
 
I'm glad I wasn't eating anything when I saw the pricing. I would be in A+E right now.

That's me sold on never buying Nvidia again, I would honestly rather support other competition than having them gouge consumers and laugh all the way to the bank.
With that in mind, I hope AMD really do pull a rabbit out of their hat with Navi and beyond and Intel with their GPU in 2020. Will bring them down a peg or three
 
We don't have the capability to do proper RT so obviously expecting it in real time is impossible. Pretty much what we have now is a RT with a denoise filter. It's a mix of current tech with basic RT.

Which our leather clad friend conveniently forgot to mention... Any way, that's why I'm not putting my money on RT.
 
LOL don't give me your stupid analogies dude.

Seriously, if you can justify £1150 on a GPU then that is fine, but don't try and convince others it is worth it. It's people like you who have allowed this charade.

Go on, order one. Then next year when they release the next one and it is £1500 come back and tell me the same thing. Because it would be you who enabled that to happen.

It is not me, or you, or anyone you probably know that is allowing this charade. Am I to blame that AMD can't produce decent GPU? Do you want to blame me for the RAM prices?

The fact is... When 1080 came out it offered regular bump over previous generation, and you would expect it to be the same price as 980. But i came at 980Ti price. That was a ripoff. And i didn't see much of a riot in the streets. Now you actually get something for the extra money. It is a lot but in non-RT tasks there is no point to replace Pascal cards. For that only (non-RT), like it was with previous generations, there is no universe where price is justified. For RT is justifiable because you get a lot of extra on top of regular performance.
 
It is not me, or you, or anyone you probably know that is allowing this charade. Am I to blame that AMD can't produce decent GPU? Do you want to blame me for the RAM prices?

The fact is... When 1080 came out it offered regular bump over previous generation, and you would expect it to be the same price as 980. But i came at 980Ti price. That was a ripoff. And i didn't see much of a riot in the streets. Now you actually get something for the extra money. It is a lot but in non-RT tasks there is no point to replace Pascal cards. For that only (non-RT), like it was with previous generations, there is no universe where price is justified. For RT is justifiable because you get a lot of extra on top of regular performance.

Fair points I think.
 
Rubbish. He's just convincing himself to buy one.

But what are you doing? You're convincing yourself not to buy one. There's a part of all of us that want these new GPUs, but we can't justify them. Avet can, for his own reasons.

We spend half our time convincing ourselves what it is we need and what it is we don't need.

'I really need this new guitar pedal. I'll finally be able to *insert excuse here*.'
'That steak is €50! You must be mad. No cut of steak is ever that good.'

'Just five more minutes in bed. I'm soooo tired.'
'I should really hold my shoulders back more. It'll help with my back problems.'


Your point about him being to blame isn't fair. AMD failed to offer an alternative for even Pascal, and they have absolutely nothing now. They had no idea what to do or what was going on. They just knew they had to make a graphics card so they did. It's not his fault AMD banked on over-advanced technology and API's that didn't take off. It's not his fault HBM2 couldn't be manufactured affordably and in a timely manner.

It's also true that folks weren't as angry about the GTX 1080. And Pascal was just a refresh of Maxwell; it had the same IPC and was for the most part a clock speed boost, driver tweaks, a few clever compression techniques, and other stuff behind the scenes I know very little about. I do remember people complaining about the prices of the 1080 and 1080Ti and other graphics cards, but they didn't mind so much because the performance was there. Everyone loved 'em.

But Avet's point makes sense: Pascal was just a refresh. Turing isn't. Even if it offered only the same boost in actual performance (or less), it did it with style—sadly it's miring it with unattainable prices. Pascal brute-forced it while Turing seems more advanced in every way. So much so that the clock speeds have actually been reduced from the previous generation (or at least haven't been increased). Which to you is more important? That's entirely personal. To Avet, Turing is an exciting architecture and he can therefore justify it. Pascal excited you and I more because it was just fast and efficient. We were jaded by Fiji (your kitchen sink theory) so when Pascal came along, it was a breath of fresh air. Turing is another breath of fresh air...

...being stunk up by prices mere mortals cannot afford. And that makes us mad.
 
But what are you doing? You're convincing yourself not to buy one.

Nah, I'm not. Something broke in me ages ago (you will remember my big confession post lol) and I really just am not very interested. Even if I were? Nvidia have priced me out. So even if I desperately wanted one (and I don't, about to order a big fat bundle for my Xbone) I couldn't afford it any way.

Which is sad. Why? well, I am 45 years old and I have been gaming since Pong. I have always been able to participate in this hobby, yet here I am being priced out. And that sucks, it really does.

If gaming price on PC had not reached critical mass there is a high likelihood I would still be very interested, but this is just daft. And even though I love gaming as much as I do still deep down even I know this is daft. The biggest problem is the Xbone, running 4k better than a PC *edit to add, of equivalent value*. Meaning I have high end gaming for a reasonable price. Exactly 1/3 of the cost of a 2080Ti bought me an entire gaming unit.
 
I just really wanna see those reviews so I'm holding back on my initial outrage over a Ti costing over $1000 to see where it lines up.

If the 2080 is faster than a 1080 Ti and by a decent margin and I mean something in the neighborhood of 40% faster then I suppose it would be worth $850. Same with the 2080 Ti, if it's fast enough to justify that massive price tag then it won't be as ridiculous as I thought it was.

Right now though, the 1080 Ti at $650...and that's for a quality one like a EVGA FTW and not some stripped down PNY, is really looking like the right spot for most of us sorely in need of a GPU upgrade.
 
Don't you mean $?

The Founders Edition 2080 Ti is £1099 in the UK.

€1300 here... Funny poll over at OCUK, vast majority votes no (266 vs 28 so far). Same on AnandTech. Surely they've got to react with price cuts with all of the same reactions over the internet.

Will Green allow, though, for reviews excluding RT?
 
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