Nvidia reportedly cancels their plans for an RTX 4090 Ti

Nvidia already use the fully enabled AD102 in their £6000+ A6000's, slapping a Founders Edition cooler on it and charging 1/3 of that would be silly as the AI market hoovers up A6000's.
 
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No. For that they would need to have shifted all of the stock they already made.

The crap stuff no one is buying.

I would imagine this is why AMD are dragging their heels on the 7800XT and slashing prices on the two 7900 cards.
 
AMD are dragging there heels with the 7700XT/7800XT as they are selling 6800XT/6900XT/50XT on mass i.e shifting old stock before releasing the newer versions, same reason Nvidia have kept prices high to shift old stock.

The 4090ti's thou i feel isn't just about moving chips to AI but freeing up more silicon space for everything in general, as the price of silicon is going up and up each gen and in high demand.

the node prices on tsmc are going up sharply each shrink atm if you can call it that, is also the reason they aim to make as small a chips as possible to make it more viable with less defects.

I do think it was odd that the 7900XT/XTX went as low in the US as they did but a better value, there is a large gap in prices at them levels, but it's the kind of thing they need to do more often, but it does show they are able to do so as I heard that retailers were still making good margins at them prices.
 
KingNosser said:
AMD are dragging there heels with the 7700XT/7800XT as they are selling 6800XT/6900XT/50XT on mass i.e shifting old stock before releasing the newer versions, same reason Nvidia have kept prices high to shift old stock.

The 4090ti's thou i feel isn't just about moving chips to AI but freeing up more silicon space for everything in general, as the price of silicon is going up and up each gen and in high demand.

the node prices on tsmc are going up sharply each shrink atm if you can call it that, is also the reason they aim to make as small a chips as possible to make it more viable with less defects.

I do think it was odd that the 7900XT/XTX went as low in the US as they did but a better value, there is a large gap in prices at them levels, but it's the kind of thing they need to do more often, but it does show they are able to do so as I heard that retailers were still making good margins at them prices.
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They are slashing the prices of the 7900XT and XTX as well. NONE of them are selling.

Mate of mine got a 7900XT for £699 yesterday.

It would seem with the recent news of how all Ampere owners apart from 3090 and beyond had been completely skanked on VRAM a lot of them are switching to AMD.

Hilariously all of the people I know who have bought a 6950XT are going from a 3070 or 3080.

As such AMD's market share is up, and that may be why they are now slashing prices so hard.

They could have their Maxwell moment yet.

BTW read what I said again. You basically repeat what I said.
 
oh i know what you said, but my feelings in general is all.

I'm not sure if they will drop much for a bit or go back up, but it's good for now.

I'm not able too upgrade yet anyways other things to focus on and tbh my 6800XT is perfectly fine for the moment, it's the next gen I'm interested in :)

Saying that yep people are switching outside of the 3/4090/80 owners and it would seem they are shifting a fairly large amount of them, I just hope they keep at it and try to bring the 7900XT at the £700 and then XTX at £850 at them prices they are value in general compared to the last few years and will sell.

I even feel by the time i'm more ready i'll be unsure if to buy a gen behind or the next as prices could drop a lot on them depends on many things.

The other thing i feel is Intel needs to speed up they are coming to late to the party, as much as i'll back AMD I would like Intel to stay in that market, so they need something solid and the ASAP need is real.

the 4090ti makes no sense to Nvidia or a gamer, just would be more power for not much gain and idk what they would have charged like idk £2400 ?
 
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They will continue to drop.

The 6950XT is now £600. I don't regret paying £620, as I needed it when I bought it and not now. But yeah, this will be a continuing trend.

I mean really it was bound to happen eh? like, mining fell on its face and this always happens. They tried to keep prices the same but yeah, was never ever going to happen.

IDK what they would have charged for a 4090ti, but it may well have been worth having. I mean, when it comes to 4k if you have a unlimited budget then given all they left out of the 4090 it could have been a good bit faster. Well, if they maxed the technology. Problem is nothing is selling now. Like, nothing. People are way less obsessed with this now they can go back outside and I knew that would be the case. Young people like to do that. I did. I didn't even get a PC until I was 26. My mates? never got one until the internet really kicked in in the early 2000s. And most of them got one for Napster :D

It was a combination of pretty much every factor that allowed AMD and Nvidia to get away with this. Mining, Covid, people being stuck indoors and so on. All of that is gone now.
 
I just feel that XT at 700 and xtx at 850 they are going to sell, so i don't see them dropping below that for a time, like at least until the next gen is almost right there.

tbh the 6950XT and below need to drop more in line with these drops.

I'm still happy with my card, so atm it's nbd any of the main bunch are fine for current crop of games unless true if 4k and ultra settings.

I think the game that will make people really decide to upgrade this year is Stalker 2 when that is out depending on specs that will sell cards, otherwise most of us are fine for a year or two.

I looked around at prices best i saw was just over 700 for XT and bang on 900 for XTX thou starfield is bundled with that so it's a deal for most.

I then also discovered that ARIA is now only doing Biz builds no longer has a website for part sales idk when that happened.

Still some sites are higher priced than others so for sure worth shopping around if you were looking to upgrade, thou tbh that is always a thing.

Still I'll decide come next gen, hopefully end of next year maybe spring 2025 idk we'll see.

Generally people are just not willing to pay the high prices is the key thing sure they are not going to fly as fast off shelves vs covid or crypto but general sales from people waiting are there i.e the normal flow.

hopefully things will normalise, we'll see.
 
It depends on whether people actually buy them, though.

I think they are both finding out now how tough things are going to get. TBH? people are not really buying that much of anything right now. I think everyone is tightening their belts and things are just not the same as they were pre pandemic or how they were since the last recession ended.

Another factor was chip shortages and so on. Which are no longer a problem either. Like I said, it was literally THE perfect storm for them to charge whatever the F they felt like and get away with it very easily. Problem is now? people are not desperate. Not even close. AND, with Nvidia and AMD taking the total pee out of them they are both being shown now that people won't fall for it.

I bet both of them taped out the 40 series and the 7000 series during that perfect storm. I bet Jen was literally licking his lips and thinking how he could sell a pile of total crap to people and they would lick up every drop. It backfired. Badly. Unfortunately for them those products DID make it out and have pretty much all been universally panned.

Thing is? having a big boy GPU in the past was always a TOTAL niche thing. Like, if I told any of my friends who weren't into computers they would have laughed at me hard. It really was absolutely nothing to boast about. However, when you remove pretty much everything from people's lives it does become a big deal. Especially when most were in a place of desperation. Lockdowns really weren't good for that, and things like GPUs and other stupid items you could boast about online became a big deal.

You can't pull up in a GPU and talk to a tart can you? no woman will be even so much as remotely impressed by your GPU. In fact, many wives would slap their husbands over spending that much on one.

And that is the thing. People are over it. Perfect storms create fads, GPUs became a fad. Something that A LOT of people were all het up over because they had nothing better to do or think about. And that has stopped, incredibly abruptly.

AMD and Nvidia took the total p155 this round. Like 100% total rinse out. "You don't want it? f**k you !". Yeah, those days are over.

I think a whole lot of tech sites are also missing a huge issue. Price? is mostly not even the issue here AT ALL. It's the fact people just don't want GPUs at any price now.

The 6950XT at £600 is absolutely nuts. Like, beyond nuts. It only launched about a year ago, if that, and that is half of the RRP. Yet they are still just not selling. Not because of the price, but because people simply don't want them. They are over it.
 
The midrange is always where the bulk of the market has been, but there is a market at the higher end just not as massive.

Nvidia by far took the pee more way more and still are, where they will go even further wrong is when next gen comes i dare say they will pull the exact same stunt.

The demand is way lower way lower, but there is a normal market, I think what will further not help them is that killer game that demands a powerful GPU al la Crysis, so my thinking is Stalker 2 will either boost or fall flat on that side.

Unreal engine 5 games i.e next gen are the only thing that is going to drive the demand up and even then to a normal degree, but i do feel a lot of people held off like alot and most upgrading skipped liked the last 3 gens etc tends to be a normal thing.

of course shipments were down with them duds, but that data is from a month + ago, these price changes are recent.

we'll see how it pans out, but if that XTX price drops a lot then i'll be snapping one, even the vapour X model being 1k atm is a generally decent deal on that card, but of course lower is better.
 
Mid range, high end, low end ETC. No one is buying any of them dude. None.

Like I said, this is way more than just a price thing. Way more. People just don't want them.
 
Yes well part of that is nvidia have 70% share of the market and all there mid to low end cards suck, so people aren't moving they will just wait for better, but at least some will switch.

It's not as cut and dry as if nvidia had better offerings at similar prices, they'd be selling, but not all are willing to switch same reason why Intel has it hardest of the three.
 
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Thing is? having a big boy GPU in the past was always a TOTAL niche thing. Like, if I told any of my friends who weren't into computers they would have laughed at me hard. It really was absolutely nothing to boast about. However, when you remove pretty much everything from people's lives it does become a big deal. Especially when most were in a place of desperation. Lockdowns really weren't good for that, and things like GPUs and other stupid items you could boast about online became a big deal.

You can't pull up in a GPU and talk to a tart can you? no woman will be even so much as remotely impressed by your GPU. In fact, many wives would slap their husbands over spending that much on one.
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Haha this, this is a big reason why I lost my interest in PCs and components. I unfortunately realized a little to late that ”bragging rights”, weren’t cool. No one gave the slightest if I would have an 90 class or an 70 class GPU inside the rig.
It was simply for ones own self goodness, if that’s even a word.

Today, I have a whole different mindset and viewpoint, which I wish I had back then.

As HardwareCanucks recently said in their ITX build inside of the Fractal Terra. They didn’t go for the highest end components, not because they couldn’t, but simply because it wasn’t their goal. They wanted an balanced system for 1440p that suited their needs.

Today I much more prefer ”budget” bulds and builds that Greg Salazar are currently doing with his upgrading serier. People are choosing components that are mid range and more what the average person would actually go for, more reasonable rigs. Rather than keep seeing these 13900K’s and 4090’s builds, that are simply ridiculous.
 
In the past i always went mid range and then at a slightly later date got a 2nd, but since SLI CFX isn't a thing anymore it pushed me up a tier more for me about how i wish to enjoy a game than anything to brag about, of course I'll talk about it but i don't expect anyone to care, even my best friends know me well enough to say it's your thing enjoy it same as there interests are different to mind or needs etc.

recently the £50 monitor arm and hdd things has been a big interest kept me just as happy and busy, my next upgrade later in the year is likely to be a new desk as i've had this cheapo thing for 17 years now and it's showing it's age and not in the best of shape :)
 
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Dawelio said:
Haha this, this is a big reason why I lost my interest in PCs and components. I unfortunately realized a little to late that ”bragging rights”, weren’t cool. No one gave the slightest if I would have an 90 class or an 70 class GPU inside the rig.
It was simply for ones own self goodness, if that’s even a word.

Today, I have a whole different mindset and viewpoint, which I wish I had back then.

As HardwareCanucks recently said in their ITX build inside of the Fractal Terra. They didn’t go for the highest end components, not because they couldn’t, but simply because it wasn’t their goal. They wanted an balanced system for 1440p that suited their needs.

Today I much more prefer ”budget” bulds and builds that Greg Salazar are currently doing with his upgrading serier. People are choosing components that are mid range and more what the average person would actually go for, more reasonable rigs. Rather than keep seeing these 13900K’s and 4090’s builds, that are simply ridiculous.
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Those people are gone. They don't exist any more. When people like Kaapstad, who bought every Titan they ever made in multiples walk away? you know it's over.

As you know, for a while it became a extremely niche way of feeling like you had done something cool. You hadn't. GPUs have always been a product of technology, and products of technology are a bigger waste of money than a new car. Within a year the company who sold it to you has made it absolutely worthless.

And yeah, you don't need a GPU like that and tbh? you never did. And people are beginning to realise this now too.

The only time I slipped and paid over £700 for a GPU was with the 2080Ti I bought. However, that money fell in my lap and I had a moment of stupidity. It hasn't happened since. And it won't, either.

But the big problem they face now? like I said, people don't want them. Not at any price. The price here is not the issue. AMD are still dropping prices on the 6950XT and there are still a load of them left. Because like I say, the issue is not the price.

They became a global fad for people who would never even think of buying one. An item you could go on the net and brag and boast about during lockdown. That is now over. As such? that entire market has vanished.
 
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The 6950XT is now £600. I don't regret paying £620
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6950XT is a stonkingly superb card especially as their prices continue plummeting. I've recommended them to anyone in my friend circle in England looking to buy a good GPU with a bit of cash to spend.
 
Dicehunter said:
6950XT is a stonkingly superb card especially as their prices continue plummeting. I've recommended them to anyone in my friend circle in England looking to buy a good GPU with a bit of cash to spend.
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My friend is about to buy one for $600.

To replace his 3080.

Seems quite a common trend tbh. People who got screwed on VRAM on Ampere are buying 6950XTs.

With the hd pack on far cry 6 even I am getting vram warnings at 4k. Thankfully it leads to nothing but my friend had to uninstall the hd AND drop the settings to stop it crawling.

Nvidia really are horrible.
 
Yea the vram issue is only going to get worse as the UE5 games start flowing i feel.

Despite not really having the funds, my 6800XT has enough vram and while the 7900XT/XTX are at viable prices the % performance gain doesn't warrant the upgrade atm for the price.

I know nvidia will sell some of their low mid cards, but i can see a lot of them just sitting doing nothing until they are at low low prices, I know i wouldn't buy one, Idk what they were thinking making the 4080/90 the only cards worth even thinking about in their stack.

12gb is already a real minimum tbh and it'll not be too long before 16gb is also depending on your resolution, I know they would like people to upgrade every gen but that is pretty rare for normal people tbh, like a sensible head buys a card for 2-3 gens.

They have essentially manufactured E waste.
 
And they will continue to. Well, unless a real tool to measure VRAM USE shows up. Not allocation, that is totally different, but actual real use. IE ? prove it 100% like FCAT did with Crossfire being a total lie.

Not just show games stuttering and textures not loading. But real use, which you can turn into charts and or graphs.

I'd bet my hat Nvidia know that you can't, and I would also bet they have a way to block it too.
 
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