WYP
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Nvidia cannot force retailers to comply.
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Nvidia reportedly asks retailers to limit sales to GPU miners
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tolagarf
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It won't do jack! The problem isn't the small time miners who also game which might buy 1-3 cards. The problem isn't the retailers either because many of them have already been adopting the sell 2 per costumer rule for a long time already. No the problem is the factories who sell the graphics card in bulk straight out the backdoor directly to the mining farms, and those cards will never hit retail as a result. And we're not talking small amount here, more like Boeing 747's filled up with graphics cards...
Quoting Alien here since I am not starting a debate in quick news
Weird way to look at it.
And there is not a single point in time where the Titan has been good value for money. Not a single GPU above the 1060 has been good value for money. The market average is over estimated. Yet we still pay for them. Funny feeling when you get that need to have Day 1 gear isn't it
the only good thing I see right now which will hurt Nvidia and AMD is next year when the next gen cards come, all the miners will dump their current cards on the used market. With thousands and thousands of 1080tis up for grabs, the price will plummet for sure. This will make a 1080ti more worth while over next gen and so could hurt Nvidia's new gen sales as far as consumers go. Miners will still cough up the prices.
Weird way to look at it.
And there is not a single point in time where the Titan has been good value for money. Not a single GPU above the 1060 has been good value for money. The market average is over estimated. Yet we still pay for them. Funny feeling when you get that need to have Day 1 gear isn't it
the only good thing I see right now which will hurt Nvidia and AMD is next year when the next gen cards come, all the miners will dump their current cards on the used market. With thousands and thousands of 1080tis up for grabs, the price will plummet for sure. This will make a 1080ti more worth while over next gen and so could hurt Nvidia's new gen sales as far as consumers go. Miners will still cough up the prices.
AlienALX
Well-known member
The original Titan was "only" around £700. It enabled users to use DP without selling their house. So dependent of where it was situated it was great value for money. Same goes for the Black.. After that? yeah it becomes a bit muddy. Titan XM £939 no DP.
And therein you have just answered the question of whether it is just lip service or not.
IE - people are not buying one, two or even three cards they are buying ten-twenty at a time. And are Nvidia going to stop that? are they F.
Like I said, it's pish for them to stop it dead overnight. But they won't. This is just lip service, meant to make every one hang in there.
Mining is killing gaming. They either need two factories and two production lines with two bioses (locked on one) or we are going to continue suffering.
And that's about that, really. Actions speak louder than words in this case.
WC - that is the logical way to look at it. Without the BS or any other nonsense.
And therein you have just answered the question of whether it is just lip service or not.
IE - people are not buying one, two or even three cards they are buying ten-twenty at a time. And are Nvidia going to stop that? are they F.
Like I said, it's pish for them to stop it dead overnight. But they won't. This is just lip service, meant to make every one hang in there.
Mining is killing gaming. They either need two factories and two production lines with two bioses (locked on one) or we are going to continue suffering.
And that's about that, really. Actions speak louder than words in this case.
WC - that is the logical way to look at it. Without the BS or any other nonsense.
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Korreborg
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Well miners can be bad for Nvidia.
AMD is happy, as they sell cards they would not sell if it was a 100% gaming market.
Nvidia needs to sell their cards to gamers, as a stream of top-notch gaming cards puts them even more in the situation where; even though there is a more than worthy opponent (Intel vs Ryzen), they will still sell a ton of cards as people know them, and trust them.
On a danish facebook hardware trading site, there are still TONS of people telling people to buy an i3 or i5, because Intel is way better than AMD.
AMD is happy, as they sell cards they would not sell if it was a 100% gaming market.
Nvidia needs to sell their cards to gamers, as a stream of top-notch gaming cards puts them even more in the situation where; even though there is a more than worthy opponent (Intel vs Ryzen), they will still sell a ton of cards as people know them, and trust them.
On a danish facebook hardware trading site, there are still TONS of people telling people to buy an i3 or i5, because Intel is way better than AMD.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Every company out there who makes PC products desperately wants another avenue. Selling GPUs for one purpose just isn't good enough. Especially during the steep decline in PC gaming between around 2005 and 2009. People just stopped using PCs. Nvidia got desperate and tried their hand at many things. Mobile chips, tablets, consoles etc. None of them have paid off.
Intel have done it too. Wasted billions on attempting to crack another market. But they haven't succeeded yet. Dell tried, Compaq.. They have all tried to get away from PC gaming and toward the mobile market but ARM just continues to freakin nail them.
The thing with mining is that like any other craze we go through every one is doing it. It isn't even just PC techs and IT bods it's people who have no interest at all in computers. It's free money, isn't it? it's even been on the news, local news etc etc.
Look I am actually glad for AMD. Not Radeon tech, but AMD. Radeon tech spunked god knows how much cash into Vega and it's poor. Really poor. If it weren't for mining? hahaha, the 64 would cost about £350 because that's all the effing thing is worth dude. It's hot, loud and obnoxious.
Without mining AMD would be in serious trouble right now. In fact, RTG may have even gone for a burton. The only reason I am glad they are making money is that AMD don't go under and hopefully can keep RTG together for long enough to make something actually worth bloody having.
Nvidia on the other hand? like I said, PC gaming won't keep them around forever. In fact, if Intel ever do make even a half reasonable GPU Nvidia better start worrying.
Korreborg
Member
Managing a company 101; Do what you are good at. Outsource the rest 
But selling to a gamer or a miner, the money is the same.
AMD would sell almost no cards, Nvidia TONS, if this was strictly a gaming war.
Of course they want to sell to gamers. There is a HUGE risk of the mining market suddenly crashing. The marked is hugely inflated by idiots hoping to make a lot of money = i spend 100€ on IOTA, just in case. Bought at 2,92$, it went to 5,50$ before Christmas now its 2,38$
Nordea have just made the rule, that their 30.000 employees are not allowed to purchase Bitcoin (Actually don't know weather its all crypto-currencies).
If organisations around the world succeeds in stopping the "money" from being used in the "real world", the they will be worth a lot less than today.
Or simply it stops being economical to mine. If that happens and you have shifted the focus from a "safe" marked to mining, you could be in trouble.
But selling to a gamer or a miner, the money is the same.
AMD would sell almost no cards, Nvidia TONS, if this was strictly a gaming war.
Of course they want to sell to gamers. There is a HUGE risk of the mining market suddenly crashing. The marked is hugely inflated by idiots hoping to make a lot of money = i spend 100€ on IOTA, just in case. Bought at 2,92$, it went to 5,50$ before Christmas now its 2,38$
Nordea have just made the rule, that their 30.000 employees are not allowed to purchase Bitcoin (Actually don't know weather its all crypto-currencies).
If organisations around the world succeeds in stopping the "money" from being used in the "real world", the they will be worth a lot less than today.
Or simply it stops being economical to mine. If that happens and you have shifted the focus from a "safe" marked to mining, you could be in trouble.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Managing a company 101; Do what you are good at. Outsource the rest
But selling to a gamer or a miner, the money is the same.
No it isn't. A gamer will order one GPU a miner will order 10-20 etc. Nvidia tried pushing SLi for that reason for many years but eventually figured out it wasn't working. The people who bought more than one were so few it would have cost them more to promote than they were making. Which it probably did, hence why they've stopped over the past couple of years.
Gamers just aren't buying cards at all atm. Those who are are fortunate enough to be able to go straight to the top end. Others? are stuck waiting, or, desperately trying to find a second hand 970 or 980 at a fair price (IE some one who isn't out to rip some one off because of the mining craze). Which means PC gamers will go elsewhere or not bother.
This is hurting gaming really badly. I explained elsewhere that in 2009 you could build a solid mid range rig for £400-£500. Try doing that now. The GPU would cost you most of that !
I haven't quoted the rest but I agree, AMD would not be selling any of their Vega GPUs ATM if it were not for mining. They would be stuck selling 570s and 580s at about £180, like they were before the craze kicked in. Whether that could sustain RTG through another up like Vega? who knows?
If mining dies both companies are in danger. The problem with corporations is once you raise the prices and profit margins you have terrible trouble putting them back. Shareholders expect the same or more profits per year.
The market will be flooded with tons of second hand cards meaning the sales will slump. I really hope both companies have thought this through tbh.
TheF34RChannel
New member
There's a lot of valid points and an equal amount of presumptions in here. One may not be a fan of gamers nexus but this what the manufacturers had to say this month, and it's not as simple as we are led to believe:
I would've gone to a Ti now if it weren't for these unspeakable prices. Now, now I don't know if I'll even be willing to shell out whatever for a 2080.
I would've gone to a Ti now if it weren't for these unspeakable prices. Now, now I don't know if I'll even be willing to shell out whatever for a 2080.
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AlienALX
Well-known member
Also, how are retailers supposed to limit sales to miners FFS? their whole life is selling stuff. Only a fool would refuse. They can try and limit to X cards per order but the miner will find a way around that easily enough. But asking them not to sell? pmsl, try asking a human not to breathe.
I'm trying to watch this video but I just looked down and saw 23 minutes and there isn't that much on the pages. I am growing tired of watching 20+ minute videos to find out what I could read in about ten seconds.
It all just sounds like crap to me. I don't know if you've ever heard the saying "Don't p**s on my back and tell me it's raining" but yeah...
We're being screwed. Just like how we are being screwed on ram too. I'm not interested in the politics of it all, nor do I want to hear BS from a salesman. The bottom line is, like I pointed out, vendors could easily make cards that don't mine but they don't. However, they do make cards specifically for mining on. Why? because they get to sell less for the same price with virtually no warranty. Greed, greed, greed.
It's called capitalism. IE - nearly all capitalist humans on earth will lie to his own mother if there is a buck in it. None of these manus are going to tell the outright truth and none will say how things really are. But it doesn't take much to see it. Him waffling on about end of the year? lol this has been going on for a entire year now ! last quarter my arse.
And the only thing I agree with him on is "Mining is not to blame" and he is right, it isn't. It's the way the GPU makers are handling it that is to blame. They have done nothing to stop it, apart from coming out with weak statements like this one from Nvidia today. This is just their way to keep people hanging on. It's BS.
I'm trying to watch this video but I just looked down and saw 23 minutes and there isn't that much on the pages. I am growing tired of watching 20+ minute videos to find out what I could read in about ten seconds.
It all just sounds like crap to me. I don't know if you've ever heard the saying "Don't p**s on my back and tell me it's raining" but yeah...
We're being screwed. Just like how we are being screwed on ram too. I'm not interested in the politics of it all, nor do I want to hear BS from a salesman. The bottom line is, like I pointed out, vendors could easily make cards that don't mine but they don't. However, they do make cards specifically for mining on. Why? because they get to sell less for the same price with virtually no warranty. Greed, greed, greed.
It's called capitalism. IE - nearly all capitalist humans on earth will lie to his own mother if there is a buck in it. None of these manus are going to tell the outright truth and none will say how things really are. But it doesn't take much to see it. Him waffling on about end of the year? lol this has been going on for a entire year now ! last quarter my arse.
And the only thing I agree with him on is "Mining is not to blame" and he is right, it isn't. It's the way the GPU makers are handling it that is to blame. They have done nothing to stop it, apart from coming out with weak statements like this one from Nvidia today. This is just their way to keep people hanging on. It's BS.
TheF34RChannel
New member
Hey man, I definitely agree with your first and last paragraph!
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Just checked the 1080 Ti Strix OC and it used to be around £750 around August time from OCUK when I bought mine, It's now £929.99.
Strix OC with before noon shipping which costs roughly £20 and a fan which cost £20, So roughly £750 for the actual card, That's a £180 price increase and there's still lots of stock.
Here's my order from August as proof.
this has gone way beyond simple greed.
Strix OC with before noon shipping which costs roughly £20 and a fan which cost £20, So roughly £750 for the actual card, That's a £180 price increase and there's still lots of stock.
Here's my order from August as proof.
this has gone way beyond simple greed.
ImprovizoR
Well-known member
Yup. People don't seem to realize, or they don't care that this mining craze could cause serious damage to PC gaming. Even with GPU prices alone being so ludicrous, this is a bad situation. But with RAM prices being almost twice what they were, it's just not a good time to upgrade.
This situation can and probably will have a domino effect on other segments of the PC gaming market. People on tight budgets are less likely to purchase more games or other things for their setups because they have to try and squeeze every last bit of performance out of the rigs that they can afford, which is suddenly a lot less than what they could get before.
At least Intel will probably be forced to lower the prices of their CPU's. They can barely compete with Ryzen as it is.
As for Nvidia - this is a PR move. It means nothing.
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i disagree. Let nvidia sell to miners. When the next gen comes along and only the miners pick them up. they will flood the used market with their 1080Tis at low prices.
It will allow me to stick to purchases of every other generation, or every 2 years.
ImprovizoR
Well-known member
I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia attempts to make its own cryptocurrency. Something like Nvidia CoinWorks lol.
Too risky now. India banks have just banned the trade of it so its leaving too much uncertainty.
I think the bubble hasn't burst, but more like deflating
AlienALX
Well-known member
Just checked the 1080 Ti Strix OC and it used to be around £750 around August time from OCUK when I bought mine, It's now £929.99.
Strix OC with before noon shipping which costs roughly £20 and a fan which cost £20, So roughly £750 for the actual card, That's a £180 price increase and there's still lots of stock.
Here's my order from August as proof.
this has gone way beyond simple greed.
Yup they were that price when I bought my XP for £675. Crazy, just crazy.
SPS
Moderator
That's actually not a bad idea from Nvidia's POV.
Too risky now. India banks have just banned the trade of it so its leaving too much uncertainty.
I think the bubble hasn't burst, but more like deflating
Crypto will be around for a while, even if just for market trading. I don't know why so many people here are against it tbh (besides the hardware cost inflation).
