New System

[sharplucas]

Hi everyone, I'm going to be ordering My computer parts in July and I thought I would go over parts just to make sure that there OK and that they will suit my needs, my Budget is £1,500-1,600.

This will be used for:

Video editing and Rendering

Lots of Demanding Games on the highest pre - set

So here's the list:

(This is all from Scan.co.uk By the way)

I7 3770k - I am going to overclock probably to 4.5 ish

8gb Kingston Memory - Do you think I will need more?

Nzxt 810 Switch Black - Going to get some Led Strips too

120gb Pny Professional Ssd

Sony Dvd drive

1Tb Seagate Barracuda

750w Silverstone Modular Psu - Not sure about this psu

asus sabertooth z77

Be Quiet DARK ROCK PRO 2 - Should be strong enough to get that cpu overclocked to 4.5 right?

The Gpu I have missed out because it's the part I'm having the most trouble with. I want to go with a Gtx 680 but Some People have told me I may be able to fit a Gtx 670 Sli into this build and other people have said I should save My money and go for 1 Gtx 670, I'm so confused

. I play 1920x1080p But May get a 27" Monitor that does 1440p at some point.

I'm also trying to keep a colour scheme of black too

 

[jamesriley94]

If it's used for rendering, you should have 16gb of RAM.

Gaming wise, 1 670 will max out any game on 1 screen easily, so I wouldnt even bother with a 680 or SLI, just 1 670 should do fine.

I'd also suggest a noctua D14 instead of the dark rock, but if you're that bothered about keeping colour schemes dont bother.

If you save enough money from just having 1, 670, which I would do, you may be able to fork out to get a 3930k which will serve you a lot better in rendering, but that's up to you.

Also, why that SSD? I'd say stick to Crucial, samsung or intel really, again up to you

 

[sharplucas]

Thanks for the advice.

I also want this rig to be future proof, which I didn't mention which is why I wanted to for multiple Gpu's or 1 Very Powerful one

How would the 3930k benefit me?

the Pny matched my colour scheme so I went with it...

 

[jamesriley94]

Umm, surely you wouldnt see the SSD anyway? Dont get one to match colours, get one because it's good and worth buying, ie, intel or crucial.

The 3930k would be around 15% faster in rendering than the 3770k, but wouldnt show any noticeable performance gains in gaming.

And even for future proofing, 1 670 would still be absolutely fine. An overclocked 670 can outperform a 680 anyway, and you can always get 1 now and add another in a few years

 

[sharplucas]

Okay, but if the 3930k is only faster by 15% is it really worth that extra £200 Price tag and a Since I have the budget I've decided to keep the 670's

 

[jamesriley94]

Probably not, but considering you wont be able to notice any performance gain when getting a second 670 i'd say it was a bigger performance gain than spending 350 on another one of them

 

[sharplucas]

Ahh, I see your point however I will wait and see what other people say , thanks for the help

 

[Jadarite]

The reason i asked my original question was after looking around for components for other builds i started to notice the price of some x79 bundles was so good that when it comes to the costs of some builds you might aswell just go x79 as you can see from the example below

Asus Intel Ultimate Bundle £679.99

(Includes P9X79 PRO Motherboard, Intel Core i7-3930K &16GB DDR3)

Corsair H100 CPU Cooler £78.99

2 X Noctua NF-F12 PWM £32.96

Silverstone Raven 3 £104.98

Corsair AX650 £104.98

Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black £89.98

Corsair 120GB Force Series 3 £86.98

LG Blu-ray Reader £47.98

Windows 7 Home Premium OEM 64bit £69.99

MSI GTX 670 965MHz 2GB OC £319.99

Delivery Costs £5.00

Sub Total £1621.83

With Discount of £105

Total £1516.83

 

[sharplucas]

I like that build however I may switch around a few things.

 

[Jadarite]

I like that build however I may switch around a few things.

At the end of the day it's your build my friend i just posted this as an example also there is a good deal on the Samsung 128GB 830 Series SATA 6Gb/s 2.5" SSD Basic Kit £79.99 http://forum.overclock3d.net/index.php?/topic/44535-just-found-some-good-deals-on-samsung-830-series-ssds/page__pid__530116#entry530116 that you might find helpful, hope this is of some help to you

 

[jamesriley94]

@Cram, completely agree with the system, but I've never known from all these posts the 'discount of £105'.

Which site is this from, and how do I exploit it?

 

[Jadarite]

@Cram, completely agree with the system, but I've never known from all these posts the 'discount of £105'.

Which site is this from, and how do I exploit it?

It's www.dabs.com and by using codes sunny10,sunny25,sunny40 and braking your order down in to £600 £600 £400 and get friends and family along with your self to place the three orders going to diffrent address and there you go a £105 discount

 

[jamesriley94]

ahaa, so it actually is exploiting it

 

[Jadarite]

ahaa, so it actually is exploiting it

Thats one way of looking at it, i just look at the £90 - £105 thats still in my bank account which i'm able to do on my new rig,

 

[sharplucas]

Ok guys too your advice and swapped out the ssd for an Intel one and I dropped 1 of the Gtx 670's and got a Gtx 670 Ftw card instead, what do you guys thing of the DCUTOP?

 

[jamesriley94]

I'm confused, you've got one? and you're wanting an opinion of another?

The DCU Tops are good, quiet, and good performing coolers. Other than that, it's still the same card underneath so you're just paying the premium for the brand and the cooler

 

[Master&Puppet]

In my opinion having 2 670s isn't massively overkill on a single screen - sure it will give you ridiculous fps in most games but if you are talking about playing metro 2033 or bf3 on max settings then only 2 cards will put you comfortably into the 60fps+ safe zone.

As for cpu choice - well games prefer per core performance over multithreading. If you look around at some reviews of cpus in game you will see that there is vitually no difference in performfance between an i5 and i7 (4 or six core). So much so that the cpu which comes out on top is constantly changing.

http://www.tomshardw...rk,3090-10.html

http://www.tomshardw...0k,3181-20.html

http://www.techspot....ance/page7.html

Also you can see that what difference there is between cpu performance is eliminated as the graphics settings are cranked up - this is because at higher resolutions and high detail settings the focus is shifted to the gpus and it is the gpu which limits the fps. So although a cpu might be able to run a game a 100fps, the gpu can only manage 60fps so the game plays at 60 and you loose whatever tiny advantage you get for having the better cpu.

The reason for this is that games are only coded to take advantage of a few threads. Most games will only use 2/3 threads, so 4 gives you 1 spare in general. Having any extra threads available like in the case of the 3930k (which has 12) or a 4 core i7 (which has 8) doesn't give you any advantage because they aren't actually used which is why we don't recommend them for gaming. A 2500k or 3570k are more than you need in todays market.

I know that you are also thinking about future-proofing but getting more threads for that amount of money isn't futureproofing. You can buy nearly 3 i5s for the price of a 3930k and even a 2600k/3770k is 50% more expensive and you won't see any difference in gaming for literally years. Whilst there is a move in the market for games to make use of more threads you will not see a intel quad core maxing out for a good while. And even if it does (which it won't) Haswell is due out this time next year and will likely be a massive step up from Sandy/Ivy bridge. It is also likely that the Haswell i5 will rrp for about £180. So you could buy an i5 now and a second step haswell i5 in a couple of years and still have paid less than getting the 3930k.

As for RAM there is no point getting more than 8gb - games are coded in 32bit which means they can't see more than 4gb. 8gb gives you the max amount for the game and an extra 4gb for the OS and anything else you have open in the background.

Hope that helps!

 

[sharplucas]

I'm confused, you've got one? and you're wanting an opinion of another?

The DCU Tops are good, quiet, and good performing coolers. Other than that, it's still the same card underneath so you're just paying the premium for the brand and the cooler

No it's the one I have kinda decided on, but I'm not entirely sure!

 

[sharplucas]

In my opinion having 2 670s isn't massively overkill on a single screen - sure it will give you rediculous fps in most games but if you are talking about playing metro 2033 or bf3 on max settings then only 2 cards will put you comfortably into the 60fps+ safe zone.

As for cpu choice - well games prefer per core performance over multithreading. If you look around at some reviews of cpus in game you will see that there is vitually no difference in performfance between an i5 and i7 (4 or six core). So much so that the cpu which comes out on top is constantly changing.

http://www.tomshardw...rk,3090-10.html

http://www.tomshardw...0k,3181-20.html

http://www.techspot....ance/page7.html

Also you can see that what difference there is between cpu performance is eliminated as the graphics settings are cranked up - this is because at higher resolutions and high detail settings the focus is shifted to the gpus and it is the gpu which limits the fps. So although a cpu might be able to run a game a 100fps, the gpu can only manage 60fps so the game plays at 60 and you loose whatever tiny advantage you get for having the better cpu.

The reason for this is that games are only coded to take advantage of a few threads. Most games will only use 2/3 threads, so 4 gives you 1 spare in general. Having any extra threads available like in the case of the 3930k (which has 12) or a 4 core i7 (which has 8) doesn't give you any advantage because they aren't actually used which is why we don't recommend them for gaming. A 2500k or 3570k are more than you need in todays market.

I know that you are also thinking about future-proofing but getting more threads for that amount of money isn't futureproofing. You can buy nearly 3 i5s for the price of a 3930k and even a 2600k/3770k is 50% more expensive and you won't see any difference in gaming for literally years. Whilst there is a move in the market for games to make use of more threads you will not see a intel quad core maxing out for a good while. And even if it does (which it won't) Haswell is due out this time next year and will likely be a massive step up from Sandy/Ivy bridge. It is also likely that the Haswell i5 will rrp for about £180. So you could buy an i5 now and a second step haswell i5 in a couple of years and still have paid less than getting the 3930k.

As for RAM there is no point getting more than 8gb - games are coded in 32bit which means they can't see more than 4gb. 8gb gives you the max amount for the game and an extra 4gb for the OS and anything else you have open in the background.

Hope that helps!

Thanks for that, but another reason I was getting an I7 3770k is for Video editing

 

[Master&Puppet]

Oh yea lol I see that in the first post now

Missed it and then all the chat about cpus I assumed was for gaming because there was so much talk about gpus.

3930k will be a lot faster than a 3770k for rendering and video editing. I'd go for a 3930k and single 670 as opposed to a 3770k and 2x670 for the same budget in your situation.

M&P