New Macbook Air and Windows XP

The short answer.. NO :lol:, Apple just like Dell and HP used to do, they bork the Bios so that it's such a nightmare to install anything other than the original OS it's simply not worth the hassle.

I would also add that I have had a Macbook Air and in all honesty, it was OK but that's all it was (just OK), no match for a real laptop. I'd never tell anyone what to do with their money, but I'd advise against Apple products they are just to high a premium for the hardware you actually get.

Honestly, that's not true at all. Apple actually makes it easy to run Windows using bootcamp that's built right into OSX. I happily run Windows 8 on my current MBP. Ran Windows 7 on my last MBP*.

Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), Windows XP is no longer supported using bootcamp. OP, are you absolutely certain you can't use Parallels or VMWare Workstation within OSX?

https://discussions.apple.com/message/24838116

*My experience with Apple
 
Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), Windows XP is no longer supported using bootcamp. OP, are you absolutely certain you can't use Parallels or VMWare Workstation within OSX?

He hasn't bought it thankfully so he won't know but I honestly would steer everyone with a brain and IQ higher than 10 well clear of apple.

*EDIT* My brother use to work for Apple in Berlin and when he got free products from time to time he sold them and got something else non Apple, In short as I have said many times already, Apple is ok and user friendly if you know absolutely nothing about computers but for that "User Friendly" experience you pay a HUGE premium and well you get a product that is in reality, Quite cheap in quality.
 
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My friend has a 13" Macbook Pro and for some reason if you use a BT device, the wifi performance is pretty much non existent. Disable BT and everything is fine. I'm happy with PC's. I'll never get a mac.
 
He hasn't bought it thankfully so he won't know but I honestly would steer everyone with a brain and IQ higher than 10 well clear of apple.

*EDIT* My brother use to work for Apple in Berlin and when he got free products from time to time he sold them and got something else non Apple, In short as I have said many times already, Apple is ok and user friendly if you know absolutely nothing about computers but for that "User Friendly" experience you pay a HUGE premium and well you get a product that is in reality, Quite cheap in quality.

I think we all get it now that you're not a big fan of apple:p
I used to agree with your opinion but I got a Haswell MBA for university and I'm really happy with it. Yes you can buy cheaper notebooks/ultrabooks with better specs, but when it comes to build quality and especially battery life the MBA really shines.
Also the they've gotten a lot cheaper in the last few years.
 
OP can't you find newer software that runs on newer OS's? I'm sure you can find a newer version of the software from the dev who created your current one?
 
I think we all get it now that you're not a big fan of apple:p
I used to agree with your opinion but I got a Haswell MBA for university and I'm really happy with it. Yes you can buy cheaper notebooks/ultrabooks with better specs, but when it comes to build quality and especially battery life the MBA really shines.
Also the they've gotten a lot cheaper in the last few years.

It's not that I don't like them it's just that they are severely overpriced for what they are, They need a huge price cut to be worth it.

£749 for an 11 inch notebook with a measly duel core @ 1.4GHZ ? No way.

The only people that are buying those are either hipsters *who are usually idiots in all fairness* or people who simply don't know any better.
 
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The build quality of Apple products are waaay better than 95% of all Windows PCs. End of. The price isn't all that great but people have got to remember that with Apple you're paying for the after sales service more than anything else. Oh and the screen.

Personally I'd just get the newer version of what I own, a Lenovo yoga pro 2 if you're after something stupidly light with a UHD screen. I'd actually recommend lenovo above all at the moment. Most people here who have a lenovo on here like them as well. ASUS is crap unless you buy a ROG branded laptop, MSI make great laptops although they don't look all that professional,Dell is dell (although the XPS stuff is really decent), PC specialist/custom configured laptops fall apart after a few years but are best value and don't even think about HP.
 
God, I wish I would have been online during this conversation. I pretty much agree with Dice and have a distaste towards apple just like him. Apple creates underpowered devices and puts a huge price tag in them. Why waste your money on a silly apple product, when you can get a more powerful, cheaper windows machine. There is literally no argument that can save apple from the shit that they make. I've honestly always hated apple, but I think that's for a good reason. Avoid them and your life will be so much better.
 
God, I wish I would have been online during this conversation. I pretty much agree with Dice and have a distaste towards apple just like him. Apple creates underpowered devices and puts a huge price tag in them. Why waste your money on a silly apple product, when you can get a more powerful, cheaper windows machine. There is literally no argument that can save apple from the shit that they make. I've honestly always hated apple, but I think that's for a good reason. Avoid them and your life will be so much better.
I don't like apple either but the pricing isn't that bad. The base MBP with Retina (1600 res) screen costs £1,099 from Apple. It has:
2.4GHz dual-core Intel Core i5(Turbo Boost up to 2.9GHz)
4GB 1600MHz memory
128GB PCIe-based flash storage1
Intel Iris Graphics
Built-in battery (9 hours)

Find me one for cheaper that does exactly what the MBP does with the same warranty etc . ;).
I don't like Apple stuff however I sometimes think the hate is unjustified. Except OSX, f**k that.
 
I don't like apple either but the pricing isn't that bad. The base MBP with Retina (1600 res) screen costs £1,099 from Apple. It has:
2.4GHz dual-core Intel Core i5(Turbo Boost up to 2.9GHz)
4GB 1600MHz memory
128GB PCIe-based flash storage1
Intel Iris Graphics
Built-in battery (9 hours)

Find me one for cheaper that does exactly what the MBP does with the same warranty etc . ;).
I don't like Apple stuff however I sometimes think the hate is unjustified. Except OSX, f**k that.

The Lenovo Y510P. Sure, it doesnt have that high resolution and a 128 GB SSD, but it has a better CPU, more RAM, and a proper GPU. Oh yeah, and its cheaper.

Specs:
Intel Core i7-4700MQ 2.4GHz
12GB RAM
1TB HDD
8GB SSD
Nvidia SLI GT 755M

Thats just one example, I''m sure there are more.
 
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He hasn't bought it thankfully so he won't know but I honestly would steer everyone with a brain and IQ higher than 10 well clear of apple.

*EDIT* My brother use to work for Apple in Berlin and when he got free products from time to time he sold them and got something else non Apple, In short as I have said many times already, Apple is ok and user friendly if you know absolutely nothing about computers but for that "User Friendly" experience you pay a HUGE premium and well you get a product that is in reality, Quite cheap in quality.

From a Network engineering perspective that are superior to Windows based PC's. I have a MB Pro (retina) which I use exclusively for work, and the build quality is very nice, higher than I thought it was going to be in fairness to it.

In the end though it depends on what applications the OP needs to use as due to the large iOS and OSX dev community, quite a few professional applications are exclusively coded for Mac. Granted there is the "Apple Tax" which can be irritating but the after sales experience is very good.

Most people make the mistake of disliking the company when in reality it is the bulk of their customer base that you are actually taking offense to.

Further more, you are comparing a gaming ROG laptop spec wise to a standard laptop. Of course the spec's are going to be better, want to skew the findings a bit more? Sure they cost about the same but then they are designed to do very different things.

OP; Go for what you need, if its an Apple then get it, if its a Lenovo Carbon etc then get that.


Regards,

WeLikeLead
 
God, I wish I would have been online during this conversation. I pretty much agree with Dice and have a distaste towards apple just like him. Apple creates underpowered devices and puts a huge price tag in them. Why waste your money on a silly apple product, when you can get a more powerful, cheaper windows machine. There is literally no argument that can save apple from the shit that they make. I've honestly always hated apple, but I think that's for a good reason. Avoid them and your life will be so much better.

Again, you dislike the majority of its clientele who like the brand name not Apple itself. Additionally you would not be complaining if you were a Apple share holder would you...


Regards,

WeLikeLead
 
From a Network engineering perspective that are superior to Windows based PC's. I have a MB Pro (retina) which I use exclusively for work, and the build quality is very nice, higher than I thought it was going to be in fairness to it.

In the end though it depends on what applications the OP needs to use as due to the large iOS and OSX dev community, quite a few professional applications are exclusively coded for Mac. Granted there is the "Apple Tax" which can be irritating but the after sales experience is very good.

Most people make the mistake of disliking the company when in reality it is the bulk of their customer base that you are actually taking offense to.

Further more, you are comparing a gaming ROG laptop spec wise to a standard laptop. Of course the spec's are going to be better, want to skew the findings a bit more? Sure they cost about the same but then they are designed to do very different things.

OP; Go for what you need, if its an Apple then get it, if its a Lenovo Carbon etc then get that.


Regards,

WeLikeLead

Just because ROG stuff is gaming branded, does not give an excuse to "standard" laptops, as you called them, to be less powerfull. Nothing but the price should dictate the performance of a computer. You cant say Macs are really expensive, but thats fine because they arent designed to be high performance machines. If they cost that much, they should be able to do everything I bloody throw at them, but thats the thing. They CANT. And thats because apple think they are so great that they can charge so much for low-end products, just because someone will buy them.

EDIT: Believe me, its Apple I strongly dislike, not those who own apple products. I have many friends who own apple products, so clearly I hate the product, not the consumer.
 
The Lenovo Y510P. Sure, it doesnt have that high resolution and a 128 GB SSD, but it has a better CPU, more RAM, and a proper GPU. Oh yeah, and its cheaper.

But it isn't anything like the macbook pro :P. Its a darn gaming laptop, not a pseudo Ultrabook. The macbook is lighter, quieter and has a UHD screen. Its a bit like comparing a LMG to a Sniper Rifle. Both are guns but they are designed for different purposes.

Can't you see my point though, the macbook isn't horrible value for what it is. A light, well made, excellent customer care'd, UHD laptop.

For the same money I'd personally get a Lenovo yoga pro 2, mainly because its good looking, well made and I love my non UHD one. Its the closest I could find. It has the same spec (excluding SSD size and screen). I've only partially proved myself wrong :').

Just because ROG stuff is gaming branded, does not give an excuse to "standard" laptops, as you called them, to be less powerfull. .

Except the average user who wants a very nice, well made, light, UHD laptop because they don't play games, don't care much for LEDs and certainly don't want to carry something heavy around with them.
Its more than just performance that dictates a laptop's cost. I know that carbon (for example) costs alot more than plastic. Hence why the Lenovo carbon x1 (its so darn light and pretty :wub: ) with a dual core i5 costs the same as some gaming laptop with an i7 and a 850m. The MBP/MBA is made out of Aluminium.
 
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But it isn't anything like the macbook pro :P. Its a darn gaming laptop, not a pseudo Ultrabook. The macbook is lighter, quieter and has a UHD screen. Its a bit like comparing a LMG to a Sniper Rifle. Both are guns but they are designed for different purposes.

Can't you see my point though, the macbook isn't horrible value for what it is. A light, well made, excellent customer care'd, UHD laptop.

For the same money I'd personally get a Lenovo yoga pro 2, mainly because its good looking, well made and I love my non UHD one. Its the closest I could find. It has the same spec (excluding SSD size and screen). I've only partially proved myself wrong :').

I guess you are right in that sense, but I cant personally justify the cost of a laptop thats only features are lightness, decent build quality, and a UHD screen (which cant be used for any heavy work). I guess if thats really what people are after, good for them. Maybe its just not for me.
 
Just because ROG stuff is gaming branded, does not give an excuse to "standard" laptops, as you called them, to be less powerfull. Nothing but the price should dictate the performance of a computer. You cant say Macs are really expensive, but thats fine because they arent designed to be high performance machines. If they cost that much, they should be able to do everything I bloody throw at them, but thats the thing. They CANT. And thats because apple think they are so great that they can charge so much for low-end products, just because someone will buy them.

EDIT: Believe me, its Apple I strongly dislike, not those who own apple products. I have many friends who own apple products, so clearly I hate the product, not the consumer.


Have you owned a MB Pro then as you seem to know exactly what they can't do?... Additionally as much as it pains me OSX is a lightweight and far more resource friendly OS than 8.1 so running OSX coded app's is easier than the equivalent 8.1 coded program on a windows machine. In my experience windows based PC's rely on over whelming compute power to get the task done quickly. OSX coded apps rely more on efficiency than anything else, which in turn enables Apple to lower spec's etc whilst still levying the "Apple TAx". Additionally most graphic design packages work well with OpenCL which in turn seems to prefer iGPU's rather than dedicated cards at the moment.

Additionally this is all semantics as you can get a very nice Audi, BMW or Mercedes for less than a equivalent Porsche... Or perhaps you would rather compare high spec hot hatches with their Audi, BMW and Mercedes rivals?


Regards,

WeLikeLead
 
Firstly i'm not trying to add to the anti-MB hate/controversy. And i'm not going to lie at times I will irrationally follow brands and spend insane amounts of money so I don't have a truly negative opinion about apple, i've owned and used a fair amount of their stuff. But the whole apple 'build quality' argument for me is a bit irrelevant.

I've had four laptops, a Dell Studio XPS16 (i7-720QM), a MBP 13" (Core2Duo), an Alienware M14X (i7-2670QM) and now a Dell XPS13 (i7-3537U). And they all fell into the same price bracket of £1000-1100 and were purchased in that order. Although they are all for slightly different markets I think its fair to compare them.

Now just running through them purely spec wise, they all had an i7 except for the Macbook and they all had a Full HD screen except for the Macbook. The Dells and the Alienwares were all bought with a branded sleeve made by the manufacturer, the XPS ones were leather but could you by an Apple branded sleeve? No obviously not, that's not an issue granted but for me its something that contributes to the quality and feel of the product.

Now on to build quality, the oldest of these the S-XPS16 was pretty much a solid piece of Magnesium garnished in aluminium and leather and one of the nicest plastic lids i've ever seen. The Alienware was possibly the least impressive material wise but still entirely soft touch with everything RGB illuminated and exactly what you would expect from a gaming orientated product. And my current XPS is just insanely well build, the chassis is carbon fibre, soft touch magnesium palmrest, lots of aluminium and a gorilla glass screen. The Macbook on the other hand was just Aluminium, sounds alright but it's very conductive, impossibly easy to scratch and very easy to dent, I mean it's entirely the wrong material to build a laptop from. My friends MBP has all of it's feet missing bar one and taking it apart to clean the fans out is a nightmare. But why should it be, I took apart a 4 year old Vaio that belonged to a girl the other week and there was literally no dust inside and it had never been opened before.

All of the keyboards and trackpads were equally good, none of them suffered any hardware failures and they have all been completely stable. Oh wait, with exception of the Macbook where the hard drive died after a year and it would beach ball itself to death over simple tasks like opening a word document.

There was nothing impressive about it, the OS is retarded, it was the worst built of all my laptops and there was just no joy to owning it. Nobody ever commented 'so you've got a MB then', it has literally 0 epeen, maybe even negative. Take an XPS or an Alienware out and the nerd within everyone suddenly comes alive.


For your purposes the fact that your still even thinking about a MB holds no logic, and for that reason a MB will probably be perfect for you. Really you'd be better getting two laptops here because nobody wants to run XP everyday these days. Get something nice for home and some old tank off ebay for XP duties.

JR
 
Firstly i'm not trying to add to the anti-MB hate/controversy. And i'm not going to lie at times I will irrationally follow brands and spend insane amounts of money so I don't have a truly negative opinion about apple, i've owned and used a fair amount of their stuff. But the whole apple 'build quality' argument for me is a bit irrelevant.

I've had four laptops, a Dell Studio XPS16 (i7-720QM), a MBP 13" (Core2Duo), an Alienware M14X (i7-2670QM) and now a Dell XPS13 (i7-3537U). And they all fell into the same price bracket of £1000-1100 and were purchased in that order. Although they are all for slightly different markets I think its fair to compare them.

Now just running through them purely spec wise, they all had an i7 except for the Macbook and they all had a Full HD screen except for the Macbook. The Dells and the Alienwares were all bought with a branded sleeve made by the manufacturer, the XPS ones were leather but could you by an Apple branded sleeve? No obviously not, that's not an issue granted but for me its something that contributes to the quality and feel of the product.

Now on to build quality, the oldest of these the S-XPS16 was pretty much a solid piece of Magnesium garnished in aluminium and leather and one of the nicest plastic lids i've ever seen. The Alienware was possibly the least impressive material wise but still entirely soft touch with everything RGB illuminated and exactly what you would expect from a gaming orientated product. And my current XPS is just insanely well build, the chassis is carbon fibre, soft touch magnesium palmrest, lots of aluminium and a gorilla glass screen. The Macbook on the other hand was just Aluminium, sounds alright but it's very conductive, impossibly easy to scratch and very easy to dent, I mean it's entirely the wrong material to build a laptop from. My friends MBP has all of it's feet missing bar one and taking it apart to clean the fans out is a nightmare. But why should it be, I took apart a 4 year old Vaio that belonged to a girl the other week and there was literally no dust inside and it had never been opened before.

All of the keyboards and trackpads were equally good, none of them suffered any hardware failures and they have all been completely stable. Oh wait, with exception of the Macbook where the hard drive died after a year and it would beach ball itself to death over simple tasks like opening a word document.

There was nothing impressive about it, the OS is retarded, it was the worst built of all my laptops and there was just no joy to owning it. Nobody ever commented 'so you've got a MB then', it has literally 0 epeen, maybe even negative. Take an XPS or an Alienware out and the nerd within everyone suddenly comes alive.


For your purposes the fact that your still even thinking about a MB holds no logic, and for that reason a MB will probably be perfect for you. Really you'd be better getting two laptops here because nobody wants to run XP everyday these days. Get something nice for home and some old tank off ebay for XP duties.

JR

Thank you. This is what I'm saying. Theres nothing (almost) a Mac can do that a windows laptop cant to better. I really see no place for Macs on the market aside from being a fashion statement.
 
I guess you are right in that sense, but I cant personally justify the cost of a laptop thats only features are lightness, decent build quality, and a UHD screen (which cant be used for any heavy work). I guess if thats really what people are after, good for them. Maybe its just not for me.

Target audience, innit ;P. Its why prebuild PCs/Alienware stuff makes no sense to most of us on here.

I understand why someone would want an MBP, infact it makes alot of sense to me as I don't need a powerhouse laptop as I have a decent-ish desktop or two at my disposal. The only time I need a powerhouse thats mobile is at LAN parties.I want something pretty with a nice screen thats light for browsing the web and some non intensive IT work (that'll be my yoga pro). For home I just need something for internet stuff, hence why I have my 6 year old lenovo with a core 2 Duo (or if you belive the stickers, a core i32 ;) ). Now THAT is an example of a proper laptop.
 
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Wow, lots of senseless know-nothing apple bashing going on in this thread...

Getting a little over-elitist in here lads... doesn't read very well. Apple has it's place, despite the face you don't like it, or see it as expensive.. Just means you aren't their target audience. You can argue until we're black and blue in the face, but apple stuff still has it's place. it *is* better optimised for creative environments, because the software *does* run better on OSX in a lot of cases, and can utilise more ram/resources than any of the windows versions of the software do.

Yes, you can get more hardware that costs less, and hackintosh it. But can you do that in a production critical, business environment ? No
Because if apple runs an update, which fucks your hackintosh.. you're down a computer until it's fixed, kext'd or whatever, that can cost a company THOUSANDS.

That is NOT how business works, you guys need to clam up when it comes to business use of products sometimes because quite frankly you sound very uninformed. Having a day of downtime on a machine because you cheaped out can cost more than a new Mac itself in some situations. You pay a premium for more than just the fucking hardware, it's about paying for the guarantee that it will work. Apple has a limited hardware base because it makes support and fixing things MUCH easier.

If you come at it as a casual user, yes, they are expensive. But for fuck sake, look at the new Razer laptop, ANYTHING with ROG branding, and all the other big names. You pay a premium for those too! It's all about target audience. Mac Pro's (the none new black ones) are a sight to behold from a build-quality standpoint.

You can't compare apples to oranges (no pun intended) and say it's better because you get more specs for your monies. It just doesn't work like that in every industry.
 
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