new build for socket 2011

[4utoenve]

so what i got so far is to go from 16gb to 8gb of ram and it will still be good enough for the 670 2gb in sli and change the HDD to a green caviar. and change the cpu to a 3570k and an msi z77 keep the case, h100, psu, gpu, and ssd. Is the Asus xonar good enough for a 7.1 surround gaming headset par say the astor a40/corsair vengeance 2000/1300?

 

[seumasbeathan]

I cant say much about the headset and sound card but for the rest of it, that is fantastic, If you don't want to spend to much I would recommend the MSI Z77A G45 but if you dont mind spending extra then the MSI Z77A GD65

 

[Josh Weston]

I use 'threads' and not 'cores' because of hyperthreading etc.
Games do not generally utilise all 4 cores of an i5, let alone the extra cores given to i7 via hyperthreading.
Oh, and those headsets are not 7.1. They use clever software to make it sound like they have more than one driver in them.

 

[andrewmchugh]

I use 'threads' and not 'cores' because of hyperthreading etc.
Games do not generally utilise all 4 cores of an i5, let alone the extra cores given to i7 via hyperthreading.

No you use cores on your processor and you have four of them. Just because your processor is hyper threaded does not mean it has eight cores or that it can compute eight operations simultaneously.

Oh, and those headsets are not 7.1. They use clever software to make it sound like they have more than one driver in them.

Facepalm.

 

[Master&Puppet]

No you use cores on your processor and you have four of them. Just because your processor is hyper threaded does not mean it has eight cores or that it can compute eight operations simultaneously.

That's not what he is suggesting. Hyper-threading allows the cpu to 'appear' as twice as many cores than it is by running two processes on a single core simultaneously (given spare capacity on that core). So-called "simultaneous multi-threading", right?

It relies upon the OS and the application being coded to take advantage of this, which 99% of games are not. Therefore there is no point getting an i7.

In any case you have to really try to defeat a 2500K or 3570K in a game when it is over-clocked. You'll need to have 2 top notch GPUs before this will happen.

 

[Master&Puppet]

850 is overkill for 2, the 670s slip power. H100 would be a great cooler, only thing better would be a custom loop.

I wrote that based on him over-clocking a 3930K with 2 670s. That's about 700w on the 12v rails and whilst that would do on an ax750 because they focus on 12v rails many PSUs don't and getting that extra 100w keeps a nice amount of head room.

A 3570K build I agree is a completely different matter and that would only need about 500w on the 12v so a 650 would be plenty.

 

[Josh Weston]

No you use cores on your processor and you have four of them. Just because your processor is hyper threaded does not mean it has eight cores or that it can compute eight operations simultaneously.



Facepalm.

Instead of dismissing what I say, feel free to actually explain it further. If not, then you're not helping anyone here.

 

[andrewmchugh]

It relies upon the OS and the application being coded to take advantage of this, which 99% of games are not. Therefore there is no point getting an i7.

Its nothing to do with the application, even as lower level as C you don't 'code to take advantage' of hyperthreading.

So-called "simultaneous multi-threading", right?

Well almost, its not by definition simultaneous, however it would be perceivable. Because its basic using up the idle cycles.

 

[Master&Puppet]

Its nothing to do with the application, even as lower level as C you don't 'code to take advantage' of hyperthreading.

Well from my understanding programmers write the application so that it can be processed apparently simultaneously (well, scheduled simultaneously is perhaps a more accurate term) but the decision to allocate the processes to cores (or hyperthreads) is made by the OS. This because the OS sees one core as two logical cores even though the processing power of a hyperthread is only around 10-30% of any single core. A decent scheduler will allocate the processing to the full cores first before allocating the hyperthreads.

I think only BF3 is currently designed to run with 4 or maybe even as many as 6 scheduled processes at once. The vast majority are only designed to run on 2 and the OS can't decide to split up those into 3 or 4 (or more). Therefore if the work load of a game is only designed to be divided up into 2-4 chunks or threads (or whatever you want to call them) then there is no point having a processor that can schedule 8.

And the other side of that argument is that the i5s cores have so much processing power that even if a game can schedule more than 4 processes simultaneously it is still unnecessary because the capacity of the i5 isn't reached until you have 3 or more GPUs.

I'm not and EE but I don't see why it needs to be understood at a more complicated level really, it's interesting to know though if you have more info - all of my knowledge is taken from Google.

Well almost, its not by definition simultaneous, however it would be perceivable. Because its basic using up the idle cycles.

That's the key isn't it? A core can only do one thing at once but if that process is suspended then a hyperthreading CPU can make us of the otherwise lost cycles by working on an additionally scheduled task?

 

[4utoenve]

so i was looking around for mobo and i found the asus maximus V thuderfx for sockett 1155 for the intergrated audio which i heard is almost just as good as buying one and found the form factor to be E-ATX yet the storm trooper doesn't have it listed but has XL-ATX i was wondering if it will fit in the case and have the proper hole mounts for the mobo

 

[4utoenve]

oh and with the corsair h100 this will be my first time using water cooling to cool my cpu do i have to change out the water every 9 months - 1 year so algea won't build up like other water cooling kits or can i let it sit in there?

 

[4utoenve]

so yea this is it finalized im not adding the second graphics card i'll do it later on when i have more money saved up

 

[seumasbeathan]

I wouldnt personally recommend that motherboard due to the price, I would stick to a MSI Z77A G45 or If the money is there then an MSI Z77A GD65

 

[4utoenve]

I wouldnt personally recommend that motherboard due to the price, I would stick to a MSI Z77A G45 or If the money is there then an MSI Z77A GD65

is the price the only reason to get the msi? like is the asus and msi have the same performance?

 

[seumasbeathan]

The G45 and GD65 especially the gd65 are fantastic motherboards

 

[Josh Weston]

MSI seem to be better overclockers than the Asus boards for Z77, as well as having the best efficiency.

 

[4utoenve]

everytime i think i get the set almost complete apparently something else pops up on why i should get another hahhaa so if i want to overclock get the msi with an asus xonar sound card to replace the asus thunder fx mobo but if i still just wanted the asus for the built in sound card it'd be just as fine just a bigger price?

 

[AverageNinja]

this is for gaming rig

Gaming on socket 2011? That's massive overkill! This section is starting to get flooded with people thinking that the 3930k/3960x is amazing for gaming.
Get a 3570k. You aren't going to need anything better, it is just an epic performer on games. You're not going to see any benefits from socket 2011 over LGA 1155.
EDIT: I see you've already chosen 3570k good choice