Need help with WC

[Remmy]

I have Asus Z87PRO and I have no idea I will fit this radiator + push pull config.

The MOSFET heatsink on this board IS higher up on the board than my MOSFET heatsink is but only by a few mm (relative to the top of the board). The fans on the bottom of my radiator go down below the top line of the motherboard by almost 5mm, but still keeping clear of my heatsink by a comfortable amount, so with this one in the image it may be a very snug fit, or it may be slightly too high up :/ Don't worry about it now though, as I see you've ordered it already, just wait and see when it arrives. If not, just do what modding is for, improvise!

Also, I just saw you were wondering about getting a fan on the right most slot above the ODD bays.

Again, I have one there without any modification/removal to the drive bays and it fits fine. It DOES render the top slot partially unusable. I say partially because you couldn't get an optical drive in there, but I do have my fan controller in the top slot (but I had to saw off most of the plastic on the back of the controller so it would fit)

Finally, a suggestion: When installing the top radiator, it may be easier to remove the whole roof section and install the radiator/fans, install the motherboard, then replace the roof. This is what I did and it made fitting it easier. Tom shows this in his Switch 810 review if I recall correctly.

 

[k1ngm4c1u51]

Hi guys

Small change in my WC system, today I ordered 6 x Bitspower G 14" Rotary 45 Degree 12" Barb Fiting to avoid too much hose bending so I will start building my WC system tomorrow

 

[alpenwasser]

Sounds good.

 

[k1ngm4c1u51]

Sounds good.

Well oc is almost build but now I have weird ram error and I posted this issue in memory section. I have error 55 which is memory not installed when both ram sticks are inside :-( both of them works separately but not together :-(

 

[alpenwasser]

Well oc is almost build but now I have weird ram error and I posted this issue in memory section. I have error 55 which is memory not installed when both ram sticks are inside :-( both of them works separately but not together :-(

I'm neither a memory nor an overclocking expert, so the only thing that comes to
mind is trying to run the modules in the other pair of slots (assuming you only have
two modules and can switch them around). Other than that, I'm afraid I'm not going
to be of much use to you on this issue. Best of luck though.

 

[k1ngm4c1u51]

I'm neither a memory nor an overclocking expert, so the only thing that comes to
mind is trying to run the modules in the other pair of slots (assuming you only have
two modules and can switch them around). Other than that, I'm afraid I'm not going
to be of much use to you on this issue. Best of luck though.

sorry that was misspelled wrong I should write: "Well WC is almost build" not "Well OC is almost build"

(Problem with ram is solved. 4 screws on back plate on CPU were too tight. I re-applied back plate with new washers and didn't use much power to screw this down and on first boot everything was fine.)

Ok so PC is done... for now I need 6 quiet e loop fans what You suggested and I need to get final position for my pump because now is only screw in with 1 screw and foam is pushed under instead of 2 screws and proper foam positioned.

Temps wow

With 3 fans on the bottom of radiator running on low and they are from one company with blue leds which I don't like + on top 2 fans one running 1500rpm and another 600rpm lol + pump also running on low I gained 28C less than 100% fan speed on GTX 780

CPU - I have around 10C less against Corsair H80i push pull with fans running at 2500rpm which was max and noise was bigger than vacuum cleaner

idle GPU temp: 23C, max idle temp 25C, max temp 35C
idle CPU temps: 27, 29, 26, 27, max idle CPU temps: 38, 38, 33, 35, max temps 48,50,46,45

Max temp tests were done with PC both sides closed and front plastic panel was taken off so fans had clear front to blow air to the case.

Idle temps were done with PC both sides closed and front plastic panel was ON.

What I like about this system is after few hours of gaming in less than 3 mins temps going down heavily and I don't need to wait ages to cool stuff down.

So if I change my random fans to proper fans quiet ones I should see some small movement in temps plus its got to be dead silent PC!

I'm happy with results so far and there is space for future improvements and upgrades.

November 2013: 6 quiet e loop fans
December 2013: Modular PSU because I have too many unused cables and they look bad + white branded cables

possible: 240 radiator + 4 quiet fans for better cooling if OC will be need it

Thanks again mate for big help :beer::beer::beer:

Just basic few photos of my current PC:

 

[alpenwasser]

sorry that was misspelled wrong I should write: "Well WC is almost build" not "Well OC is almost build"

:lol:

Ok so PC is done... for now I need 6 quiet e loop fans what You suggested and I need to get final position for my pump because now is only screw in with 1 screw and foam is pushed under instead of 2 screws and proper foam positioned.

I have done similar things, it's all part of the process. Most important thing when
starting to W/C is getting it to work right, making it look as neat as possible comes
after.

Temps wow

With 3 fans on the bottom of radiator running on low and they are from one company with blue leds which I don't like + on top 2 fans one running 1500rpm and another 600rpm lol + pump also running on low I gained 28C less than 100% fan speed on GTX 780

Yup, GPUs profit massively from W/C. Which version of the eLoops do you intend
to get?

Thanks again mate for big help :beer::beer::beer:

Woohoo, I helped!

Just basic few photos of my current PC:

Nice work for a first loop mate! I like the ghetto pump mount.

 

[tinytomlogan]

Hose from the pump to the radiator is terrible. Lower GPU fitting would have worked better out of the top too.

Idea is to have as little hose visible as possible mate.....

 

[k1ngm4c1u51]

alpenwasser - Fans I want to take are Noiseblocker NB-eLoop Fan B12-P - 120mm PWM

As for the Ghetto pump mount - yes I know it looks terrible but I need to wait till payday to sort this out

tinytomlogan - well I don't see your help anywhere in my post just on the end slagging me for too long hose, I'm not PRO like you so at the moment this will stay as it is and when you record your vids on YT I'm not slagging you that you suck at any FPS game do I? So thanks for the comment and now go and punish another person on your forum. I will have this PC build as I want not as your idea is. Feel free to share more thoughts and maybe you can post some pics with similar WC specs I have to show me how it should be done mr.pro.

 

[alpenwasser]

alpenwasser - Fans I want to take are Noiseblocker NB-eLoop Fan B12-P - 120mm PWM

Good choice from what I've heard (don't have any myself, but if they came in a 140 mm
version I so totally would ).

As for the Ghetto pump mount - yes I know it looks terrible but I need to wait till payday to sort this out

All in good time. I have probably done worse crimes to my PC, certainly in my early
W/C days (*cough* gold painted fans *cough*

). Not getting it perfect
on your first try is a good excuse to keep tinkering with it later on.

 

[Surfie]

tinytomlogan - well I don't see your help anywhere in my post just on the end slagging me for too long hose, I'm not PRO like you so at the moment this will stay as it is and when you record your vids on YT I'm not slagging you that you suck at any FPS game do I? So thanks for the comment and now go and punish another person on your forum. I will have this PC build as I want not as your idea is. Feel free to share more thoughts and maybe you can post some pics with similar WC specs I have to show me how it should be done mr.pro.

Whilst I can agree with you that the delivery of that message could have been better, he does have a point. .. Also, he probably didn't offer advice because Alpenwasser had it pretty much under control perfectly.

But then, unless I understand it incorrectly, you actually do have a reason in doing it the way you have as well.

Didn't you say you were looking at expanding into a second radiator down the track? Or did I imagine that? If I didn't then I would be looking at this a little differently and seeing where you can expand. The way you have it now is perfect for a front mounted radiator down the track. I'm just not sure how you can incorporate that without a long run between the radiators later. Is it possible to have the 360 with the barbs at the front of the case? If so, I'd switch it around and shorten that run for now. When you get the second radiator, then you can run the pump to that radiator, join the radiators together, and have the exit point from your gpu moved up on top, which will look a lot cleaner.

Either way, whether you take the advice or not, I'm incredibly jealous of you, since you can actually start water cooling already. Props to you for that!

 

[alpenwasser]

Whilst I can agree with you that the delivery of that message could have been better, he does have a point. .. Also, he probably didn't offer advice because Alpenwasser had it pretty much under control perfectly.

He can be a bit abrupt in his phrasing, but he wouldn't stop by and offer advice
if didn't care, at least that's my take on it. He saw something I hadn't mentioned
and amended that. Once you've gotten used to TTL's linguistic habits the difference
between him giving advice and him actually giving someone a spanking will become
easier to see, I strongly believe it was the first one in this case.

And yeah, no point in giving redundant advice. Giving advice to beginners is rather
time-consuming (not that I mind, or else I wouldn't be here ), so once it's clear
that a "customer" is taken care of, offering the same (or similar) advice again is
a lot of time invested for very little additional benefit of all parties involved.

Anyway, off to my birthday now, cheers everyone!

 

[Remmy]

Is it possible to have the 360 with the barbs at the front of the case?

It's not possible without modding the ODD bays, especially with push/pull as well because the end tank sits very far into the top bay if you have it this way round, and between a piece of metal in the top ODD bay and the bottom of the fan, there's maybe 2mm if that.

I don't see any reason why you can't still have a 240mm in the front and the 360mm as it is, and still get a tidy loop; I think mine is tidy, and I have that configuration anyway. Thinking about the loop order more will let you get the tubing neat with the 360mm in your current orientation and a 240mm in the front.

Personally I don't actually have anything against seeing tubing, I think it improves the look if anything because you don't usually see pipes inside a PC so it really highlights that it's got something special inside. That being said, I only think a lot of visible tubing is okay as long as there isn't unnecessarily huge loops, and tubes crossing over all over the place.

This rig is much better than my first w/c loop where I used a terrible pump and a 120mm radiator xD At least you have good components already, and improvements that can be made are pretty much free (i.e. rearranging tubing).

Because all of your fittings are 45° it kind of restricts how you can tube it up. Ideally you want a variety of different angles, mainly straight, 45°, and 90°, and then it really helps you to get it as neat as possible. Another big, and not too expensive, improvement is an after market pump top for that D5. They improve the look of the pump, and allow you to choose your own fittings to use with the pump, again allowing you to make the loop even tidier.

 

[alpenwasser]

This rig is much better than my first w/c loop

Haha, ^this! My components were OK, but the loop layout was utterly horrible
by today's standards. Then again, it was 2002 (I think), so we were just happy to
get it all running.

Another big, and not too expensive, improvement is an after market pump top for that D5. They improve the look of the pump, and allow you to choose your own fittings to use with the pump, again allowing you to make the loop even tidier.

I think that was proposed, but went over budget. But I agree, it's a definitely a
sensible suggestion, and an easy addition to make once more money is available
if OP wishes to do so.

 

[Remmy]

I think that was proposed, but went over budget. But I agree, it's a definitely a sensible suggestion, and an easy addition to make once more money is available if OP wishes to do so.

Oh well, for future improvements then

 

[k1ngm4c1u51]

Hi again

With all parts I had there was no chance to make shorter hose because reservoir is in the front and top radiator barbs are on the left + my pump standing alone + tight budget I had... but there is always space for future upgrades

Anyway I'm planning to add 240 rad on the front of the case (bottom) and I'm thinking of how to make best connection I can, let me explain:

hose from GPU ----> radiator 240 ----> reservoir ----> pump

or

hose from GPU ----> reservoir ----> radiator 240 ---->pump

or this have no difference in terms of Temps?

I'm sorry for unprofessional picture but this is how I want to be:

Thanks guys

 

[alpenwasser]

Hi again
hose from GPU ----> radiator 240 ----> reservoir ----> pump

or

hose from GPU ----> reservoir ----> radiator 240 ---->pump

or this have no difference in terms of Temps?

Any difference in temperatures will be negligible, so just loop it up so that it's as tidy
as possible.

However, having another component between reservoir and pump can make filling
the loop very tedious (or downright impossible, depending on your specific setup),
so I'd recommend option one, or something else that still satisfies the res->pump
criterion.

 

[k1ngm4c1u51]

Any difference in temperatures will be negligible, so just loop it up so that it's as tidy
as possible.

However, having another component between reservoir and pump can make filling
the loop very tedious (or downright impossible, depending on your specific setup),
so I'd recommend option one, or something else that still satisfies the res->pump
criterion.

well at the moment it goes like this:

pump--->radiator--->cpu--->gpu--->reservoir--->pump

so can I add another radiator after gpu? or water flow will dramatically drop down?


My pump can do Maximum Flow: 1200 lph (12V) + Maximum Head Delivery: 3.7m (12V) so I should be ok??

 

[alpenwasser]

well at the moment it goes like this:

pump--->radiator--->cpu--->gpu--->reservoir--->pump

so can I add another radiator after gpu?

Yeah that should work. If I have any bright ideas about loop layout I'll let you know,
but at the moment it's getting late here so I'll head to bed now.

or water flow will dramatically drop down?

Radiators are not very restrictive. Flow rate will drop a bit, obviously, but not significantly.
Any loss of cooling performance due to slightly lower flow rate will be vastly outshone
by the additional radiator's heat dissipation capacity.

 

[k1ngm4c1u51]

alpenwasser - thanks again

I will do:

pump--->radiator360--->cpu--->gpu--->radiator240--->reservoir--->pump

After this small upgrade hoses layout should be better




UPDATE

What about separate loop for CPU only and GPU too? Is this would work better?
Why I'm asking? Because we all know 4770k gets hot no matter what on high OC but is my GPU keeping my CPU behind because of 35C on max stress? My max core was 51 on CPU how much I can subtract from it if we removing my GPU from the loop? What temps I can expect of CPU on single loop?


Thanks