Need a good advice for a gamer pc, for around 1700 pound

SeekaX said:
wasting money is always stupid, the only thing he gets for the extra 100 pounds is bragging rights because as he stated he won't overclock, he probably won't even look at it again once built.
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No, its not a waste if he see value in it. It is after all entirely subjective, an item only true carriers the value you perceive it to have. For example you will see an 3930K as a 'waste' yet I see 'and item worth every penny'. Thus it can never be quantified which is what everyone on this forum is so desperate to do... Is a £145,000 Ferrari a waste? when a £110,000 Porsche does the same job?

PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/25sNG
Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/25sNG/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/25sNG/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£227.99 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£87.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£140.05 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (£158.06 @ PC World Business)
Storage: Corsair Neutron Series GTX 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£173.28 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£61.20 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) (£228.76 @ Dabs)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) (£228.76 @ Dabs)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series AF120 Performance Edition (2-Pack) 63.5 CFM 120mm Fans (£19.34 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series SP120 High Performance Edition (2-Pack) 62.7 CFM 120mm Fans (£20.54 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series AF120 Red 52.2 CFM 120mm Fan (£9.47 @ CCL Computers)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series AF120 Red 52.2 CFM 120mm Fan (£9.47 @ CCL Computers)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series AF120 Red 52.2 CFM 120mm Fan (£9.47 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£113.40 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Corsair 750D (134.99 Overclockers.co.uk)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) (£69.99 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £1692.76
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-20 15:48 GMT+0000)

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WeLikeLead said:
No, its not a waste if he see value in it. It is after all entirely subjective, an item only true carriers the value you perceive it to have. For example you will see an 3930K as a 'waste' yet I see 'and item worth every penny'. Thus it can never be quantified which is what everyone on this forum is so desperate to do... Is a £145,000 Ferrari a waste? when a £110,000 Porsche does the same job?

PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/25sNG
Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/25sNG/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/25sNG/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£227.99 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£87.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£140.05 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (£158.06 @ PC World Business)
Storage: Corsair Neutron Series GTX 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£173.28 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£61.20 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) (£228.76 @ Dabs)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) (£228.76 @ Dabs)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series AF120 Performance Edition (2-Pack) 63.5 CFM 120mm Fans (£19.34 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series SP120 High Performance Edition (2-Pack) 62.7 CFM 120mm Fans (£20.54 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series AF120 Red 52.2 CFM 120mm Fan (£9.47 @ CCL Computers)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series AF120 Red 52.2 CFM 120mm Fan (£9.47 @ CCL Computers)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series AF120 Red 52.2 CFM 120mm Fan (£9.47 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£113.40 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Corsair 750D (134.99 Overclockers.co.uk)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) (£69.99 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £1692.76
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-20 15:48 GMT+0000)

Thanks,

WeLikeLead
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a ferrari and a porsche have quite a lot more differences than a 4770k and a 4670k.
what he wants is performance and he was deluded by the 4770k. it doesn't perform any better for him, this is a build advice thread, so we are supposed to find the best solution for him, which also means that we have to make him aware of wasted money. i will not let an advice seeking guy run into his own demise just because at the time he thinks it's what's best for him and in 2 months time he starts regretting it.
we aren't dealing with a hardcore hardware enthusiast here who is willing to drop 100 quid more just for a different name in cpu-z.
 
We should probably use european Etailers, not the UK.He is from Denmark after all :P.

Personally if I was spending over £1k on a rig I'd get an i7,even for gaming. Seriously if he wants a i7 then let him get one and yes, I know the i7 4770k is the same performing in gaming compared to the i5. Seeka is defiantly right about getting the non k version, if it is cheaper obviously.
 
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barnsley said:
We should probably use european Etailers, not the UK.He is from Denmark after all :P.

Personally if I was spending over £1k on a rig I'd get an i7,even for gaming. Seriously if he wants a i7 then let him get one and yes, I know the i7 4770k is the same performing in gaming compared to the i5. Seeka is defiantly right about getting the non k version, if it is cheaper obviously.
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because you have a use for an i7 and you are probably a different kind of hardware enthusiast, not gonna lie, i actually had the 4770k in my rig, got to admit it saved me a good amount of money when my rig wouldn't turn on and i got a 4670k instead.
a lot of people want alienware PCs, still if someone would ask you about it you would move heaven and earth to prevent that person from buying one, it might make them happy for a while, but sooner or later they will regret it.
ah well, the final decision is up to him.
 
SeekaX said:
a lot of people want alienware PCs, still if someone would ask you about it you would move heaven and earth to prevent that person from buying one, it might make them happy for a while, but sooner or later they will regret it.
ah well, the final decision is up to him.
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yeah but it could also go the other way and (like me) he finds use for the extra stuff the i7 can offer. Its a 50/50 kind of thing ^_^.I mean, atleast he isn't trying to get a rig with a i3 and dual 780s, right? I guess it could be worse.


Actually,has anyone actually checked to see if he could actually have an i7 in his build and stay in/under budget? xD
 
barnsley said:
yeah but it could also go the other way and (like me) he finds use for the extra stuff the i7 can offer. Its a 50/50 kind of thing ^_^.I mean, atleast he isn't trying to get a rig with a i3 and dual 780s, right? I guess it could be worse.


Actually,has anyone actually checked to see if he could actually have an i7 in his build and stay in/under budget? xD
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just add the 4770k to the build i posted earlier and it's still under budget. i even considered dropping the 780ti for 780 SLi, that demands a 4670(k) though to stay in budget.
 
SeekaX said:
just add the 4770k to the build i posted earlier and it's still under budget. i even considered dropping the 780ti for 780 SLi, that demands a 4670(k) though to stay in budget.
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Ah yeah my bad, still I think Danish prices might be like Aussie prices aka crap. He surely won't buy stuff here and get it imported over as that would cost a lot.
 
barnsley said:
Ah yeah my bad, still I think Danish prices might be like Aussie prices aka crap. He surely won't buy stuff here and get it imported over as that would cost a lot.
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Thansk evry one for the nice build and the awsome coments on my post, i will consitter the i5 insted of the i7. But i chuse the i7 becuse i might need to do some movie editing.

Barnsley in denmark many on the thinks cost 0,8 % more then in other cuntrys, becuse of all the tacks..
Thats why i set the budget to 1700 insted of 1800 ;)
 
Einstein said:
Thansk evry one for the nice build and the awsome coments on my post, i will consitter the i5 insted of the i7. But i chuse the i7 becuse i might need to do some movie editing.

Barnsley in denmark many on the thinks cost 0,8 % more then in other cuntrys, becuse of all the tacks..
Thats why i set the budget to 1700 insted of 1800 ;)
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If you're going to do some movie editing then the 4770K will probably be worth it, but try were you can to save money, don't just aim to fill your basket to bang on 1700.

If you have a search in the reviews section check out some of Tom's reviews and guides. Especially the 4770K/4670K and make your decision based on them if you want.

Just make sure to do a bit of research first. :)

Also whoever brought up a Ferrari and Porsche...they are completely different. You could say, well they both take you places so why not get a Ford Focus...
 
barnsley said:
Actually,has anyone actually checked to see if he could actually have an i7 in his build and stay in/under budget? xD
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My full build post earlier used an i7-4770K and was under budget, just about.



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WeLikeLead

ShaunB-91 said:
Also whoever brought up a Ferrari and Porsche...they are completely different. You could say, well they both take you places so why not get a Ford Focus...
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How so, at that price point the Porsche is actively trying to compete with the Ferrari (They both are attempting to deliver the same experience for different price points, like the 4930K and 4960X for example) that's like saying a 75K Aston Martin is not going to have the new F-Type R Coupe trying to steal its customers...

If you want to get really pedantic about it why not compare a BMW 7 Series against the Jaguar XJ or Audi A8? Same target market, different ideas and different prices but the overall aim and experience is the same.


Why not an Scirocco...

Anyway no point debating cars on a tech forum.


Thanks,

WeLikeLead
 
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As far as i5 and i7s go, you lot need to understand that some people are completely set in their ways when building a new PC.

A year ago, when we were on 3570k vs 3770k, this whole debate cropped up almost every day. It was clear then (as barely any game at all utilised the 8 threads of the 3770k) that the 3570k was the better choice for gamers.

These days however, games are starting to use more threads and so nowadays I can see the point in going for the i7 over the i5, even in a gaming rig, as long as it doesn't mean having to cheap out on other parts, such as a graphics card because you can't fit it all into your budget.

You need to understand though, that a lot of people when they do have the budget and are looking to build a high end gaming PC, can't accept anything but the best when it comes to parts - especially processors. Whether he'll use it to its fullest extent or not, he'll most likely still be happy with the decision.

Look at me for example - I've got a 3960x, and the most demanding thing I do on my PC these days is browse the forums... I know my case is a little different given the price I got it for, but I still have no regrets in it, because I, like a lot of others are happy knowing whatever they throw at their PC it can handle.

If people say they want an i7, its their money, and if it turns out to be a waste, then it's their loss. But you don't need to go pushing your opinions of i5 vs i7 on them and causing arguments in doing so. It'll still work as well in the end, and at least we aren't talking about 4770k/4670k vs 8350!
 
ShaunB-91 said:
Meh I'd still say a 780/780Ti.
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i would normally agree, but the OP did mention BF4 and that will be getting mantle support, numbers floating around are 20 - 50% performance but we won't really know till it's out.

the sapphire r9 280 toxic edition comes very close and beats the 780 in some games (link) and comes in around £270 free up money for other things or another 280x.

that plus a boost from mantle could be a winner.
 
jamesriley94 said:
As far as i5 and i7s go, you lot need to understand that some people are completely set in their ways when building a new PC.

A year ago, when we were on 3570k vs 3770k, this whole debate cropped up almost every day. It was clear then (as barely any game at all utilised the 8 threads of the 3770k) that the 3570k was the better choice for gamers.

These days however, games are starting to use more threads and so nowadays I can see the point in going for the i7 over the i5, even in a gaming rig, as long as it doesn't mean having to cheap out on other parts, such as a graphics card because you can't fit it all into your budget.

You need to understand though, that a lot of people when they do have the budget and are looking to build a high end gaming PC, can't accept anything but the best when it comes to parts - especially processors. Whether he'll use it to its fullest extent or not, he'll most likely still be happy with the decision.

Look at me for example - I've got a 3960x, and the most demanding thing I do on my PC these days is browse the forums... I know my case is a little different given the price I got it for, but I still have no regrets in it, because I, like a lot of others are happy knowing whatever they throw at their PC it can handle.

If people say they want an i7, its their money, and if it turns out to be a waste, then it's their loss. But you don't need to go pushing your opinions of i5 vs i7 on them and causing arguments in doing so. It'll still work as well in the end, and at least we aren't talking about 4770k/4670k vs 8350!
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if he goes with an i5 he might be able to squeeze in 780SLi, that's not possible with an i7 and his budget.
 
jamesriley94 said:
As far as i5 and i7s go, you lot need to understand that some people are completely set in their ways when building a new PC.

A year ago, when we were on 3570k vs 3770k, this whole debate cropped up almost every day. It was clear then (as barely any game at all utilised the 8 threads of the 3770k) that the 3570k was the better choice for gamers.

These days however, games are starting to use more threads and so nowadays I can see the point in going for the i7 over the i5, even in a gaming rig, as long as it doesn't mean having to cheap out on other parts, such as a graphics card because you can't fit it all into your budget.

You need to understand though, that a lot of people when they do have the budget and are looking to build a high end gaming PC, can't accept anything but the best when it comes to parts - especially processors. Whether he'll use it to its fullest extent or not, he'll most likely still be happy with the decision.

Look at me for example - I've got a 3960x, and the most demanding thing I do on my PC these days is browse the forums... I know my case is a little different given the price I got it for, but I still have no regrets in it, because I, like a lot of others are happy knowing whatever they throw at their PC it can handle.

If people say they want an i7, its their money, and if it turns out to be a waste, then it's their loss. But you don't need to go pushing your opinions of i5 vs i7 on them and causing arguments in doing so. It'll still work as well in the end, and at least we aren't talking about 4770k/4670k vs 8350!
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Finally, someone who understands that its not simply 4670K @ £180 or 4770K @ £240 = win for the i5.


Thanks,

WeLikeLead
 
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