Myth or not ?

[joey117]

I was talking to one of my friends who has a AMD ryzen 7 2700x we were talking with temperatures and core speed , and he said that if I put an AiO water cooling solution on the processor I will see considerably increase clock speed over air cooling is this true because I do not know how precision boost 2 works

 

[AlienALX]

I was talking to one of my friends who has a AMD ryzen 7 2700x we were talking with temperatures and core speed , and he said that if I put an AiO water cooling solution on the processor I will see considerably increase clock speed over air cooling is this true because I do not know how precision boost 2 works

I call BS personally. That said it depends what kind of air cooler you are talking about.

 

[WYP]

I was talking to one of my friends who has a AMD ryzen 7 2700x we were talking with temperatures and core speed , and he said that if I put an AiO water cooling solution on the processor I will see considerably increase clock speed over air cooling is this true because I do not know how precision boost 2 works

Precision Boost is designed to work that way, but the 2700X's stock cooler is good enough to get most of these boosts anyway, especially if you don't live in a hot country.

 

[Dicehunter]

I was talking to one of my friends who has a AMD ryzen 7 2700x we were talking with temperatures and core speed , and he said that if I put an AiO water cooling solution on the processor I will see considerably increase clock speed over air cooling is this true because I do not know how precision boost 2 works

When I got my 2700X I used the included RGB cooler to test, While it did it's job my all core clock would be around 3.80GHz-3.90GHz without me doing anything but would go down to 3.80GHz quite frequently.


I then attached my 360mm AIO and now my all core clock goes to around a pretty consistent 4-4.1GHz, Again that's with me doing absolutely nothing in the bios, It is not a massive performance increase but it is basically free performance due to the way AMD's XFR feature works.

 

[AlienALX]

When I got my 2700X I used the included RGB cooler to test, While it did it's job my all core clock would be around 3.80GHz-3.90GHz without me doing anything but would go down to 3.80GHz quite frequently.


I then attached my 360mm AIO and now my all core clock goes to around a pretty consistent 4-4.1GHz, Again that's with me doing absolutely nothing in the bios, It is not a massive performance increase but it is basically free performance due to the way AMD's XFR feature works.

It would easily do that on a £25 cooler was more the point I was making

 

[Dicehunter]

It would easily do that on a £25 cooler was more the point I was making

Yeah a £25 cooler would struggle to keep it cool and it would downclock fairly frequently, Anything north of £60 should be a minimum for a high end CPU IMO, If not an AIO then something beefy from BeQuiet or Noctua preferably.


The Wraith Prism when in stock costs around £25, It will do in a pinch but to get the best performance out of the 2700X you need decent cooling, BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4, Noctua NH-D15 etc...

 

[AlienALX]

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cryorig-h7-single-tower-heatsink-with-120mm-fan-hs-008-cy.html

I don't believe you, dude. There are plenty of coolers at or around £25 that could easily cool that CPU at 4.2ghz.

Large expensive coolers are wasted on Ryzen, really, and we all know it. I'm not digging at you for having that 360 (because I would too) but at the same time you can't take a pop at the other audience.

This would manage it too

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/be-quiet-pure-rock-cpu-cooler-120mm-hs-010-bq.html

And so on.

 

[Dicehunter]

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cryorig-h7-single-tower-heatsink-with-120mm-fan-hs-008-cy.html

I don't believe you, dude. There are plenty of coolers at or around £25 that could easily cool that CPU at 4.2ghz.

Large expensive coolers are wasted on Ryzen, really, and we all know it. I'm not digging at you for having that 360 (because I would too) but at the same time you can't take a pop at the other audience.

This would manage it too

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/be-quiet-pure-rock-cpu-cooler-120mm-hs-010-bq.html

And so on.

If you are fine with high temps then yeah sure, Not that it will really harm anything but to get the most out of the chip you do need a good cooling setup and while the 2 x you listed are decen't, I would definitely not use them to do overclocking.


Now if you turn off XFR then that's a whole other story as then literally any will do the job just fine.


From Toms review in which he used an H110i GT 280MM AIO.

 

[AlienALX]

That is the stock cooler dude at 78c, not a "£25 cooler".

As I said you run a 360 for vanity, and I totally dig that, but the facts are the facts.

78c isn't even warm. Delidded modern Intels are in the 90s, and people are saying it's perfectly normal.

 

[Dicehunter]

That is the stock cooler dude at 78c, not a "£25 cooler".

As I said you run a 360 for vanity, and I totally dig that, but the facts are the facts.

78c isn't even warm. Delidded modern Intels are in the 90s, and people are saying it's perfectly normal.

No I don't run a 360 for vanity, I run a 360 so I can have all the fans running at 600RPM and temps still be relatively decent while remaining whisper quiet, Something I couldn't really do with a 240.


With XFR if the temps start going up the clocks start coming down and I've found XFR to be much better for adaptive voltage instead of running a solid overclock with voltage always stuck at 1.3/4v.

 

[joey117]

I was thinking of a CPU and motherboard loop but it will be in a itx case so it will require some creativity

 

[AlienALX]

I was thinking of a CPU and motherboard loop but it will be in a itx case so it will require some creativity

The problem with Ryzen is not temps. They simply brick wall at a certain clock (temps ignored as they are not even high) and that's your lot. No pros on water are getting higher clocks than any one else.

Dice - it's for vanity. A 240 with fans on low would also be more than enough for this tech. Having said that I would still have the 360, for future gen Ryzen or even a switch to Intel (gob spit).

 

[Dicehunter]

Dice - it's for vanity. A 240 with fans on low would also be more than enough for this tech. Having said that I would still have the 360, for future gen Ryzen or even a switch to Intel (gob spit).

No it's not for vanity, Can you stop telling me things I'm not doing please it's a little bit annoying.


I have a Corsair 240 AIO, I couldn't put the fans at 600-800RPM and have low enough temps for my taste so tried the 360, Low and behold I could now put all fans at 600-800 and have temps remain where I like them.

 

[joey117]

I'm not water cooling for overclocking purposes is try to keep the PC as quiet as possible and to try and offset any vrm problems

 

[Warchild]

The problem with Ryzen is not temps. They simply brick wall at a certain clock (temps ignored as they are not even high) and that's your lot. No pros on water are getting higher clocks than any one else.

Dice - it's for vanity. A 240 with fans on low would also be more than enough for this tech. Having said that I would still have the 360, for future gen Ryzen or even a switch to Intel (gob spit).

I think having a 360 over 240 is advantageous. It's purely based on temperature. More heat dissipation means lower temps. It's as simple as that.

I would take 360 and have a cooler chassis over 240 with what I think is inadequate temperatures. If I didnt care on temp, id slap a 120 on it and put up with the toasty warm room I would sit in.

It has nothing to do with Vanity. RGB is vanity it serves no performance gain whatsoever. 360 vs 240 has gains to be achieved.

The real question here is basically, space available. Is there enough room for 360? no? find 240 will do, but temps will be warmer.

 

[Dicehunter]

I'm not water cooling for overclocking purposes is try to keep the PC as quiet as possible and to try and offset any vrm problems

What are your preferences ? Air or AIO ? Also what is your budget ?

If I was going purely for silence with good temps I'd get the Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4, Amazing cooler and stupendously silent.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/QUIET-Dark-Silent-Wings-Cooler/dp/B07BY6F8D9

I think having a 360 over 240 is advantageous. It's purely based on temperature. More heat dissipation means lower temps. It's as simple as that.

I would take 360 and have a cooler chassis over 240 with what I think is inadequate temperatures. If I didnt care on temp, id slap a 120 on it and put up with the toasty warm room I would sit in.

It has nothing to do with Vanity. RGB is vanity it serves no performance gain whatsoever. 360 vs 240 has gains to be achieved.

The real question here is basically, space available. Is there enough room for 360? no? find 240 will do, but temps will be warmer.

Bingo !

 

[Warchild]

What are your preferences ? Air or AIO ? Also what is your budget ?

If I was going purely for silence with good temps I'd get the Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4, Amazing cooler and stupendously silent.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/QUIET-Dark-Silent-Wings-Cooler/dp/B07BY6F8D9

Bingo !

My colleague who sits next to me has made an entire Bequiet build, case and cooler et al, He speaks wonders of that cooler. Definately had good reviews too.I love the anodized black pipes too. That alone would sell me over a Noctua (yeah yeah im entitled to a little vanity )

 

[Dicehunter]

My colleague who sits next to me has made an entire Bequiet build, case and cooler et al, He speaks wonders of that cooler. Definately had good reviews too.I love the anodized black pipes too. That alone would sell me over a Noctua (yeah yeah im entitled to a little vanity )

If I was building right now I'd go full BeQuiet, Superb quality cases, Fans, Coolers and PSU's and as they're from Germany they go a little nuts on the quality control ^_^

 

[AlienALX]

No it's not for vanity, Can you stop telling me things I'm not doing please it's a little bit annoying.

I can do that. As soon as you -

1. Stop arguing that you need a monstrous cooler for a CPU that doesn't need one, by fact, and by science. A 240 is more than enough to run the fans low enough to be quiet.

2. Stop thinking that I am trying to offend you in any way, as it seems my polite patient approach clearly isn't working and you are just getting wound up more and -

3. Don't argue with logic. You will lose, every time.

I've been very passive by completely accepting your wish to have a 360 cooler, because I am clearly in the same Camp Overkill (TM) as you, but the Ryzen 2700x *just does not need a 360 rad to remain quiet*. It's just scientific fact.

Seriously dude, sometimes if you are just honest with yourself deep down you don't need to dodge facts to get your point across.

I wouldn't mind, but it's almost like you are on the verge of fear mongering to make people think they would need a 360 AIO to overclock Ryzen and keep it cool when that is clearly not the factual case.

Cheers, and be easy, man.

 

[Dicehunter]

I can do that. As soon as you -

1. Stop arguing that you need a monstrous cooler for a CPU that doesn't need one, by fact, and by science. A 240 is more than enough to run the fans low enough to be quiet.

2. Stop thinking that I am trying to offend you in any way, as it seems my polite patient approach clearly isn't working and you are just getting wound up more and -

3. Don't argue with logic. You will lose, every time.

I've been very passive by completely accepting your wish to have a 360 cooler, because I am clearly in the same Camp Overkill (TM) as you, but the Ryzen 2700x *just does not need a 360 rad to remain quiet*. It's just scientific fact.

Seriously dude, sometimes if you are just honest with yourself deep down you don't need to dodge facts to get your point across.

I wouldn't mind, but it's almost like you are on the verge of fear mongering to make people think they would need a 360 AIO to overclock Ryzen and keep it cool when that is clearly not the factual case.

Cheers, and be easy, man.

You're making stuff up in your head now that I never said, Stop.

I'll say it 1 last time and then leave it at that as I get tired of these walls of text with whole conversations that never took place and lead nowhere,

I have a 240, With a fan curve the 2700X ran just fine, But I wanted it to be REALLY quiet with all fans never ramping up beyond 600-800RPM, I couldn't do that and get the temps I wanted, I'm not saying they were extremely high temps, I just wanted lower, Ergo I switched to a 360 and now have all my fans permanently at 600-800RPM with temps in the region that I like.

That's it.