Leaked RX 6800 XT Benchmarks points towards strong 4K performance
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AngryGoldfish
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I'm saving up but it might be late novemember before I'm ready but i'll just get what i can afford if the prices are kept down then i can get a more powerful card, but it'll be one of the three they announce next week without any doubt even if i have to save harder for it
I think AMD should try to undercut Nvidia. They could be finally at the stage where they can steal serious thunder. They've got Zen 3 hype behind them, and if they come out guns blazing and not just 'matching' Nvidia in price to performance (but beating them in everything but RTX and DLSS) they could take a large portion of sales from them. If the 6800XT beats or even matches a 3080 but at $600 and with a lower TDP and more memory, that would be a win-win even if their RT and upscaling technology is slightly behind.
I hope they don't just do what they've done for the last few years and say, "Hey, guys, we still exist, please buy our products", and letting Nvidia make all the market decisions. If AMD says, 'No' and creates its own groove, I think they'd do well. They're finally at the stage where they have the mindshare and the architecture to maybe pull it off.
YOUDIEMOFO
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Bad Ass!!!!!
demonking
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If they're wise they'll keep roughly the same margins they have on previous generations. These are on the same node as Zen, the amount that they're buying from TSMC, they should be getting a good price. Its a fairly mature process, 5nm is not too far off now and i would have thought they're getting pretty good at working with this lithograph, lets just hope they keep their act together on the driver side. What i really hope for, is that they haven't gone nuts on the power consumption. Jensen was going on about Nvidia and efficiency and if they compete in performance and price and then do it using less power it will be a real shake up. those 30 series cards are nuts on power and Intel's cards are rumoured to be super power hungry too atm, AMD could give themselves a lot of good press if they can be the "green" choice at no expense of performance and potentially cheaper.
Excalabur50
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The latest rumour I'm hearing is that AMD won't be cheaper as they've realized they can compete, so don't be surprised if they do a Radeon Seven on us 
AlienALX
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The latest rumour I'm hearing is that AMD won't be cheaper as they've realized they can compete, so don't be surprised if they do a Radeon Seven on us
In fairness the 7 was quite cheap for what went into it. Not the performance, but the HBM, the alu cooler etc. It wasn't a cheaply made card.
Excalabur50
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What I meant was they priced it the same as the 2080, and yeah it was cheap for what it was, still I suspect they might match or at best be $50 cheaper, still I can live in hope that they are $99 cheaper
g0ggles1994
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I want to believe this so badly, but prior experience has taught me otherwise.
If the XT comes in a 3080 perf then it will be priced in the same ballpark. If it comes in above, then max will be circa €1000. Why would they undercut if the have the superior option? The gaming cards are subsidised by the Enterprise variants. Nvidia is stronger there so they can go closer to the bone on margins knowing full well they can sell on the what used to be the Quadro variant for a minimum of X2 going up to X5 pricing of the consumer variant. 3090s consumer price = entry level in Enterprise land. AMD's MI Instinct or Radeon Pro have not got the foothold they need to subsidise the same way so need the max they can get. Fine, they may produce a loss leading Halo product but only in quantities of less that 10k.
Nvidia have also effectively held up a flag and said there is room enough for 2 pricing wise and have handed over the option to AMD to take a place at the table by delaying the 3070 announcement until after the RDNA2 announcements. AMD could go for the jugular but they are not strong enough to do so in reality. So 3 or 4 tiers, priced alongside. If you prefer raster go AMD, if you need current dev of RT, go Nvidia.
Nvidia have also effectively held up a flag and said there is room enough for 2 pricing wise and have handed over the option to AMD to take a place at the table by delaying the 3070 announcement until after the RDNA2 announcements. AMD could go for the jugular but they are not strong enough to do so in reality. So 3 or 4 tiers, priced alongside. If you prefer raster go AMD, if you need current dev of RT, go Nvidia.
AngryGoldfish
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The latest rumour I'm hearing is that AMD won't be cheaper as they've realized they can compete, so don't be surprised if they do a Radeon Seven on us
But that's letting Nvidia dictate pricing. In the past that made sense. But they're now at the stage where they can shape things for themselves; price it however they want. Fiji, Vega, Radeon VII, Polaris, all of these cards were forced outside of their optimum range. Fiji, Vega, Radeon VII were forced to clock too high and they cost too much. They had no choice. Polaris could be priced extremely well, but they needed to push the clocks higher than they would have liked. RDNA2 could be the first architecture that 'scales' to wherever AMD want it to be. Maybe that's an unrealistic or even idealistic way of looking at things, but Zen has paved the way for AMD, and Intel has to catch up or 'follow'. If RDNA2 is as good as rumoured, AMD could pave the way in the GPU space as well and start to dictate a highly lucrative share of the market.
KingNosser
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I think the pricing will be pretty close to Nvidia, even with more ram it's gddr6 so while being more it's a lot cheaper, even the 3070 use gddr6. I'm expecting them to place the cards accordingly really maybe slightly cheaper but not by much is my feeling.
Moving forward the architecture has legs to grow and scales so navi 3x i'd expect to be as big a leap as from rdna1 > rdna2.
If they can give me a good competing card around the same prices as the 3070 and 3080 then i'm happy to take one, the feeling i have about the 3070 delay is as much about stealing thunder with review slots and launch dates in the media, but also the price i could see nvidia cutting the price further on the 3070 if they feel the need.
I can honestly say that the 3070 is going to get hammered by these amd cards even if only by having twice the ram.
I think this time AMD want market share and so i do feel a battle is at hand with rdna2 they have more riding on this than the 5700 was last time, they have made efforts in a better way with the cooler and very likely other things, if they are going to have more stock then they are going to want to shift them on mass.
Microsoft and Sony have been good partners with the consoles for them and the sharing of api's and tech and a fair bit of that will be involved with the PC gpu's with even Sony working directly with them on the architecture.
Like any company they need to make a decent profit it's what it's about i wouldn't want them to sell themselves short but so long as it's resonable then i'm ok with it i'm kinda thinking the 6800 around 450-500, 6800XT 600-650 and the 6900XT most likely 800-900 any more than that i think they might struggle in times such as now.
Only a few days to wait for the info now
Moving forward the architecture has legs to grow and scales so navi 3x i'd expect to be as big a leap as from rdna1 > rdna2.
If they can give me a good competing card around the same prices as the 3070 and 3080 then i'm happy to take one, the feeling i have about the 3070 delay is as much about stealing thunder with review slots and launch dates in the media, but also the price i could see nvidia cutting the price further on the 3070 if they feel the need.
I can honestly say that the 3070 is going to get hammered by these amd cards even if only by having twice the ram.
I think this time AMD want market share and so i do feel a battle is at hand with rdna2 they have more riding on this than the 5700 was last time, they have made efforts in a better way with the cooler and very likely other things, if they are going to have more stock then they are going to want to shift them on mass.
Microsoft and Sony have been good partners with the consoles for them and the sharing of api's and tech and a fair bit of that will be involved with the PC gpu's with even Sony working directly with them on the architecture.
Like any company they need to make a decent profit it's what it's about i wouldn't want them to sell themselves short but so long as it's resonable then i'm ok with it i'm kinda thinking the 6800 around 450-500, 6800XT 600-650 and the 6900XT most likely 800-900 any more than that i think they might struggle in times such as now.
Only a few days to wait for the info now
AlienALX
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They won't be cheap. End of.
TSMC 7nm costs much more than Samsung 8nm. For many reasons, but yeah, don't expect a cheap lunch.
The only thing that could possibly bring prices down is if they are riddled with driver issues.
However you can fully expect the 3070 killer to cost as much as the 3070 and so on. AMD only handed out lots of Easter eggs when they had to. I think you will find they change dramatically as a company as their products improve.
TSMC 7nm costs much more than Samsung 8nm. For many reasons, but yeah, don't expect a cheap lunch.
The only thing that could possibly bring prices down is if they are riddled with driver issues.
However you can fully expect the 3070 killer to cost as much as the 3070 and so on. AMD only handed out lots of Easter eggs when they had to. I think you will find they change dramatically as a company as their products improve.
KingNosser
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Well the main reason we got 6800XT info is the AIB's opened their mouths as soon as they had something, until then amd had kept them out of it for the most part.
6900XT being amd only means no leaks on that from a performance point atm.
I don't expect cheap but they have to price apples to apples if even only slightly higher they can't go over board if they want to sell a lot of them and this time I really think they want to sell many many more than normal, they have a lot of tsmc production to do so, but more focused on the consoles they won't be able to make them fast enough.
6900XT being amd only means no leaks on that from a performance point atm.
I don't expect cheap but they have to price apples to apples if even only slightly higher they can't go over board if they want to sell a lot of them and this time I really think they want to sell many many more than normal, they have a lot of tsmc production to do so, but more focused on the consoles they won't be able to make them fast enough.
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AngryGoldfish
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But how many really think it'll be cheap? I haven't seen anyone overhyping the price of these, more the performance, availability, memory pool, and other stuff. The consoles are cheap, but it's such a different thing really. You could say the only similarity is that it uses the same core design.
What KingNosser stipulated sounds ideal to me. 6800 = 450-500. Matches/beats a 3070 with twice as much VRAM, better overclocking, and possibly lower power draw. Golden. 6800XT = $600-650. Matches or beats a 3080 with less power and more VRAM. Golden. 6900XT = 800-900. Around 3090 performance at a significantly lower price and TDP. Golden. That's not "cheap", right? But if the 6800XT is faster in some games than a 3080 while consuming less power and with more VRAM but is $50 cheaper, that fits into the narrative of 'cheap'.
AlienALX
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Well when you consider that each die costs AMD about twice what Nvidia are paying? Literally $58 vs $30 or so?.
I don't know dude. Seriously I have absolutely no idea what they will be looking to do here. Lower prices and do a Ryzen? or try and get as much as they can? god only knows.
One thing I do know is that they won't be getting 60% margins like Nvidia on any of the cards. Nvidia have set the prices for the next gen, all they can do is probably what I guessed and just slot them in slightly lower like they did with Navi.
That said Nvidia can only make 60% if they have GPUs to sell. Which obviously right now they don't.
BTW I am, as of typing this, being a nice guy to AMD. However, if their prices are too close? they can bugger off. Yes, their cards will be very good and all but with no DLSS in some cases their cards will not be able to run certain games at the limits.
Screw RT. They *must* have a firm answer for DLSS or I won't even give them a look in.
I don't know dude. Seriously I have absolutely no idea what they will be looking to do here. Lower prices and do a Ryzen? or try and get as much as they can? god only knows.
One thing I do know is that they won't be getting 60% margins like Nvidia on any of the cards. Nvidia have set the prices for the next gen, all they can do is probably what I guessed and just slot them in slightly lower like they did with Navi.
That said Nvidia can only make 60% if they have GPUs to sell. Which obviously right now they don't.
BTW I am, as of typing this, being a nice guy to AMD. However, if their prices are too close? they can bugger off. Yes, their cards will be very good and all but with no DLSS in some cases their cards will not be able to run certain games at the limits.
Screw RT. They *must* have a firm answer for DLSS or I won't even give them a look in.
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Dicehunter
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This times 1000 !
All my future GPU purchasing will be decided by 3 factors that the GPU must meet -
-Very good rasterization performance.
-Driver stability.
-DLSS or a variant of.
I have no real interest in RT and so far Nvidia gives me all 3 of the above, I still have a 5700XT in my HTPC, As well as 2080 Ti in my main rig, So I have the luxury of comparing drivers and as of right now my 12 or so months of experience with the 5000 series has been very flaky, For AMD's sake I hope they invest in some good software engineers for their driver team as it seems like Nvidia get all their software engineers from places like M.I.T while AMD get theirs from the hippy open source weekend market
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KingNosser
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I heard about that not sure I feel 2500 is going to be the norm thou maybe it depends on what the card is doing as to how high or low the mhz go's 2500 seems high to me.
50 hours to go till reveal
