Haswell Spec sheet leak

I dont think Haswell will be a huge leap forward in pure speed because right now current Intel (and AMD for that matter) are plenty fast for 99% of what anybody would need them to do. With the market more and more going from desktops to iPad's and tablets, power usage and simpler all-in-one solutions are becoming more and more of a goal of Intel and AMD. Theyre not focusing much at all on improving speed cause theyre fast enough for just about everybody but us enthusiasts. So I agree, I dont think Haswell will be a lot faster than Ivy simply because theyre not focusing on trying to get it faster.

Automakers are doing the same thing. Theyre not coming out with bigger and bigger engines with more and more horsepower - theyre coming out with smaller engines that are more and more fuel efficient because thats where the market is headed right now.
 
MacLeod said:
I dont think Haswell will be a huge leap forward in pure speed because right now current Intel (and AMD for that matter) are plenty fast for 99% of what anybody would need them to do. With the market more and more going from desktops to iPad's and tablets, power usage and simpler all-in-one solutions are becoming more and more of a goal of Intel and AMD. Theyre not focusing much at all on improving speed cause theyre fast enough for just about everybody but us enthusiasts. So I agree, I dont think Haswell will be a lot faster than Ivy simply because theyre not focusing on trying to get it faster.

Automakers are doing the same thing. Theyre not coming out with bigger and bigger engines with more and more horsepower - theyre coming out with smaller engines that are more and more fuel efficient because thats where the market is headed right now.
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well...but they are still making Ferraris, Lambo´s and Bugattis.....because existes a market place for that type of cars, and yeah those cars are more fuel efficient but at the same time more powerfull, secure and faster!!:)
 
grassman said:
We'll when I'm wrong I'm donating my rig.......
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Are you sure about this?! Because you are making this promise all by yourself! Nobody has betted nothing with you! If you are making this kind of affirmations.....if it's wrong, you have to make front to the consequences! :)

grassman said:
Yes because it's 99.9% foolproof

and hey if it does turn out to be something then I have a great excuse to make the next step to the next big jump.
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Fine.....if you win.... you are right and everybody is happy! But if you lose you have to show the value of your words and make somebody happy giving him your rig!!:)

So what kind of performance percentage you will firmly affirm that Haswell will be better than Ivy Bridge?:p
 
JMMP said:
well...but they are still making Ferraris, Lambo´s and Bugattis.....because existes a market place for that type of cars, and yeah those cars are more fuel efficient but at the same time more powerfull, secure and faster!!:)
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Right, and they cost $300,000-750,000 as opposed to the $25,000 Ford. There's enough of a market to make it profitable to build them. There isnt near enough marketplace for Intel to sink a lot of time, effort and R&D money into making a $1500 screaming fast processor when their $280 i7 is plenty fast enough for anything youll need. Hell, 95% of enthusiasts wont spring for anything more than the 3570K!
 
MacLeod said:
........Hell, 95% of enthusiasts wont spring for anything more than the 3570K!
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Thats the type of market i´m talking about.The Enthusiasts. Intel and AMD are aware that exists that market and they are still making the chips more fuel efficient but at the same time more powerfull in terms of overcloking. IMHO you all have to notice that a chip that in stock is 15% better of the older architecture doesn´t mean that overclocked at the same speed it´s the same 15% bettter. I think that it´s not a thing so linear to measure!
Another thing haswell is a different architecture IMHO we have to compare Intel chips thru tock to tock and tick to tick ( Intel Policy) and comparing it to Sandy Bridge it will be a nice jump don´t you all think?! :)
 
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JMMP said:
Are you sure about this?! Because you are making this promise all by yourself! Nobody has betted nothing with you! If you are making this kind of affirmations.....if it's wrong, you have to make front to the consequences! :)



Fine.....if you win.... you are right and everybody is happy! But if you lose you have to show the value of your words and make somebody happy giving him your rig!!:)

So what kind of performance percentage you will firmly affirm that Haswell will be better than Ivy Bridge?:p
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5ghz OC without putting insane amount of volts into it and a true 15% per core increase.
 
SieB said:
Oh my GAAWWWWD!!! a non prototype pic of the Gigabyte OC

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And the less atractive, what looks like either a UD3, UD4 or UD5.

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Another interesting pic.... 6.2 ghz with a 4670k :o no idea what cooling was used though.

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Ok......based on this numbers..... someone afirms(grassman) that Haswell will not be better than ivy bridge more than 15% per core and it will need 1.3v to reach the 5ghz mark and he will donate his rig parts to someone on the forum if Haswell passes that mark!! So...i will gently invite everyone to take your own thoughts and comments!!
grassman said:
I"m so confident If I'm wrong I will donate parts of my rig to you guys and buy haswell hows that?
I'm just shocked that people can be so naive to think were going to be seeing significant gains here?
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grassman said:
5ghz OC without putting insane amount of volts into it and a true 15% per core increase.
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JMMP said:
Ok......based on this numbers..... someone afirms(grassman) that Haswell will not be better than ivy bridge more than 15% per core and it will need 1.3v to reach the 5ghz mark and he will donate his rig parts to someone on the forum if Haswell passes that mark!! So...i will gently invite everyone to take your own thoughts and comments!!
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I'm not doubting what you say there dude but just be careful.

Before Bulldozer released AMD were gleefully waving around CPUZ screenshots showing the 8 core BD chip hitting 5.7ghz.

What they failed to mention of course was that...

7 cores were disabled leaving just one, and, it was under LN2.

As I say I'm not doubting what you say, it's just that I've seen this crap time and time again and it never translates into the real world.
 
AlienALX said:
I'm not doubting what you say there dude but just be careful.

Before Bulldozer released AMD were gleefully waving around CPUZ screenshots showing the 8 core BD chip hitting 5.7ghz.

What they failed to mention of course was that...

7 cores were disabled leaving just one, and, it was under LN2.

As I say I'm not doubting what you say, it's just that I've seen this crap time and time again and it never translates into the real world.
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Agreed really...
Also, the results were only released a week after AMD announced the 5ghz chip, so it's just as likely to be a marketing ploy.
 
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