DwarfAdigginAhole
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Ok, then I guess I will go for a 3960x build, and are Quadro's also good to game on?...and Tim, you may have just made me die a little inside ;-;................
Evga Sr-X vs ASUS Z9PE-D8 WS which is better for my clients pc?
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Cant read either then, really not looking good for you atm.....
coolmiester
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He’s obviously a good friend to entrust you with with such sizable budget for something you have so little knowledge of..............i tend to wonder how long the friendship will last!
Rastalovich
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Precisely. Spending an extra wad on quadruple bypass xeon setup sounds nice but isn't always necessary.
Clients tend to like you more, and come back, if you don't see their budget and try your best to spend it all for the sake of it. I always take each component and justify to myself why I'm buying it. Bodes well for any rig.
SmoulderingCircuits
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I reached that same conclusion the other day. I think Zotac did a mATX or ITX board that suppoorted i7s, it would be better to get say nine of them in one super sized custom chassis and throw in low end i7s to get as many threads for your buck.
Big WigglyStyle
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well since no one really answered your question and just said get a 3960x the EVGA board uses the c606 chipset compared to the asus that uses the c602 chipset, I'm not sure how much of a difference this is if any but I'm assuming higher is better right? they both have support for 4way sli but the EVGA board does not list any xfire support while the asus does have 4way sli/xfire so if you were planning on the red team your option is the ASUS. The ASUS board has a better onboard audio chip but with a rig like this you best be getting a soundcard or external DAC/AMP or something similar. The asus board has support for up to 64 gigs of ram while the SR-X supports 96gb of ram. I would honestly get the SR-X but there isn't too much of a difference between the two, I'd say ask him what color he perfers tbh
I guess you didn't read my post on the first page then.
KING_OF_SAND
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Quadros are not meant to game on, a 560 could out perform pretty handily Nvidias fastest Quadro. They are meant to do floating point calculations and other mathematical algorithms. They are mainly used in rendering computers.
Rastalovich
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Errggg not the fastest quadros. You can install performance drivers on a quadro setup for gaming. But the same gpu in the geforce card will trump the quadro.
DwarfAdigginAhole
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Thank you all for the helpful information! To all those who have had negative comments that IMO really seem to be aimed to discourage new builders such as myself, me I will simply prove you wrong threw the computer I build, there will be a thread put up soon to show this rigs progress. I can only hope that the builds and words of the great builders I follow, TOM, Coolermeister, and several other will give me the knowledge and skill needed to not just build this rig but to go on and make this a career.
Oh and Meister this guy is a really good friend who has already built several of his own rigs he just knows my desire to become a builder and he is willing to give me a shot
Oh and Meister this guy is a really good friend who has already built several of his own rigs he just knows my desire to become a builder and he is willing to give me a shot
coolmiester
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Man Diggy, i honestly didn’t mean to sound negative, i really didn’t and will help out anyway i can for sure.
Last thing i want to do is put anyone off following their passion so forgive me for coming across as a “know it all” because i’m not but i have messed with dual CPU’s for a good few years and they can be a bit hard work depending what you are wanting to do with them so to be fair, your original post wasn’t the easiest to answer.
I guess what, i’m trying to say is, i’d ask your original question with a question and ask
How much has he got to spend?
Does he have a contingency plan if all goes tits up?
What are his main goals?
Will he buy me one?
I apologise big time and Diggy and if i can be of any help, fire a PM over and if i can be of any help i sure as sheet will
Last thing i want to do is put anyone off following their passion so forgive me for coming across as a “know it all” because i’m not but i have messed with dual CPU’s for a good few years and they can be a bit hard work depending what you are wanting to do with them so to be fair, your original post wasn’t the easiest to answer.
I guess what, i’m trying to say is, i’d ask your original question with a question and ask
How much has he got to spend?
Does he have a contingency plan if all goes tits up?
What are his main goals?
Will he buy me one?
I apologise big time and Diggy and if i can be of any help, fire a PM over and if i can be of any help i sure as sheet will
DwarfAdigginAhole
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Dude it is fine, like I said, I will just make you eat those words with the Rig I build ;D That I may or may not refer to you guys several times to build xD. I have everything really down pat, it is just the watercooling that scares me, he wants EVERYTHING watercooled. I mean not only is this my first real build, but it is my first watercooling build, for the past week I have watched everyone of Toms watercooling build guides and just builds in-general with watercooling. I also fine my self getting inspiration for the rig from all of your Cosmos builds. Oh and there is another question, I have heard so many people say it can, but with the slim 360 rad it concerns me, would a Cosmos 2 be able to support an OC 3960x, Motherboard, Ram, and 3xGTX680s being watercooled without having to go for an external radiator setup? Many people have told me that the Nzxt Switch can but my friend really is not a fan of NZXT, at all xD
Now to answer your questions.
1. He finally set a solid budget and does not want to go over if he can help it, 4030£s
2. Hunt me down and murder me.
3. To have a gaming Rig to be both a workstation for Video Game design and Gaming, he actually is going threw an apprenticeship with Blizzard.
4. I shall ask, xD
This all sounds so ridiculous. He gives you a budget of £4030 but you've never built a computer before let alone a water cooled one and that is what you intend to build for him? A super duper computer that is water cooled for your first attempt?
I really think you're taking on too much at once.
I really think you're taking on too much at once.
Rastalovich
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£4k ?
I was very serious when I asked about the software. You can build a totally inadequate rig for £4k.
When you get into the design game with a serious budget, the software generally has requirements you should meet before thinking of anything else.
Just building a gaming slanted computer could waste a bucket load of cash and hamper the software.
I was very serious when I asked about the software. You can build a totally inadequate rig for £4k.
When you get into the design game with a serious budget, the software generally has requirements you should meet before thinking of anything else.
Just building a gaming slanted computer could waste a bucket load of cash and hamper the software.
^^^Rasta is right, if you want to do this as a career you have to start acting like you know what you are talking about. If you dont know research and start communicating with the client.
Rather than asking us you should be asking him and then looking in to possible configs THEN come to us.......
In the Xeon review I did Ive already said that its pointless for gaming and with £4k to spend you dont have enough money to do the xeons justice....
SO if you had sat back and considered these options before wading in blind and excited you would NEVER have even thought about the Xeons.
PLEASE remember when builind for a client you build to their requirements NOT what you fancy playing with.
Hate to sound harsh but it gets a little tiring day after day when people just spend the most amount of money possible and then assume its going to be awesome for everything..... When in reality its quite the opposite.
This site gives enough information in reviews for those with a bit of common sense to pick up hints and tips and learn all these things themselves.
The way I was taught AND teach is to teach you how to use the right tools to build your own house - not build the house for you...........
Rather than asking us you should be asking him and then looking in to possible configs THEN come to us.......
In the Xeon review I did Ive already said that its pointless for gaming and with £4k to spend you dont have enough money to do the xeons justice....
SO if you had sat back and considered these options before wading in blind and excited you would NEVER have even thought about the Xeons.
PLEASE remember when builind for a client you build to their requirements NOT what you fancy playing with.
Hate to sound harsh but it gets a little tiring day after day when people just spend the most amount of money possible and then assume its going to be awesome for everything..... When in reality its quite the opposite.
This site gives enough information in reviews for those with a bit of common sense to pick up hints and tips and learn all these things themselves.
The way I was taught AND teach is to teach you how to use the right tools to build your own house - not build the house for you...........
PetrolHead247
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You've been given a £4000 budget for your first build (which is madness) and from my POV this budget is making you go absolutely crazy and you want to make the most insane system possible for YOUR needs. As many others have said it's not your choice to choose whatever component you like, you must contact the client and ask him exactly what this PC is going to be used for. At the moment you've said 'Video game design and gaming' which is quite a vague summary, ideally you need to know the main purpose of the PC else you're going to screw him over with a PC that struggles with game design and leave him 4 grand out of pocket. So, slow yourself down, don't get giddy over the budget and do PROPER research into this and see what parts you can get within budget that are suitable for the clients needs, and try not to blow the whole £4000 budget on unnecessary parts.
We're not trying to be negative, we just don't want you to go out and spend £4000 like an idiot and leave this guy with a PC that isn't tailored to his needs.
We're not trying to be negative, we just don't want you to go out and spend £4000 like an idiot and leave this guy with a PC that isn't tailored to his needs.
KING_OF_SAND
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When I build a clients computer I asl
1) what is the purpose of this computer?
2) how fast do you want that main purpose for your computer to be?
THAT IS IT. Do not discuss price until you have at least 3 builds ranging in the low, mid, to high budget. Also I do not mean high as in the most expensive parts you can find, this is were extensive tech knowledge comes it. The reason you do not want to discuss price in the initial conversation is because they will start setting unrealistic goals and be disappointing with you when you can;t meet them.
After you go the newegg or wherever to build the three rigs, you discuss all three with your client explaining the ups and downs of each rig, keeping the negatives to a minimum and including Price as both a negative AND positive aspect. This will build confidence in your clients and in most cases have them spend a little more than planned thus giving you more money. (this is still a money business)
After you discuss all the rigs the client will most likely want something in between the two rigs, say he wants one part from the high end machine and another from the low end machine. The reason for the three rigs is to give your client a LOT of flexibility, then you build around that.
I hope this made this clear, I have been doing this for 5 years building custom workstations, gaming builds, servers, etc.
1) what is the purpose of this computer?
2) how fast do you want that main purpose for your computer to be?
THAT IS IT. Do not discuss price until you have at least 3 builds ranging in the low, mid, to high budget. Also I do not mean high as in the most expensive parts you can find, this is were extensive tech knowledge comes it. The reason you do not want to discuss price in the initial conversation is because they will start setting unrealistic goals and be disappointing with you when you can;t meet them.
After you go the newegg or wherever to build the three rigs, you discuss all three with your client explaining the ups and downs of each rig, keeping the negatives to a minimum and including Price as both a negative AND positive aspect. This will build confidence in your clients and in most cases have them spend a little more than planned thus giving you more money. (this is still a money business)
After you discuss all the rigs the client will most likely want something in between the two rigs, say he wants one part from the high end machine and another from the low end machine. The reason for the three rigs is to give your client a LOT of flexibility, then you build around that.
I hope this made this clear, I have been doing this for 5 years building custom workstations, gaming builds, servers, etc.
