Early RTX Shadow of the Tomb Raider disappointing on RTX 2080 Ti

What else could it be? They're using the same engine and the game doesn't look any different from the previous one. Unless it's an early build, Ray Tracing is the prime suspect.
 
What else could it be? They're using the same engine and the game doesn't look any different from the previous one. Unless it's an early build, Ray Tracing is the prime suspect.

The point is a $1200 graphics card that is the best they have to offer cannot even maintain a 1080p60 performance level using basic RT. That's pathetic. All the hype is once again people making it out more than it is before launch. Nvidia always gets this reaction somehow
 
dips below.. is nicely said. :)


it seems like hairworks all over again.
but ok it´s not the final version of the game.

but it doesnt look good for the smaller RTX cards right now.


i also wondered why they only showed a static scene in metro.
ok it was about global illumination but some NPC moving around in the room would have been a better demo.
 
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Other factors would also be coming into play here, like the game's use of pre-release drivers on a pre-release graphics card on a pre-release game as well as the fact that Shadow of the Tomb Raider's RTX implementation hasn't fully matured yet. Remember that the feature is releasing in a post-launch game patch, which means that the function is far from being launch ready.
It takes a lot of time to develop game. DICE has been working with RT for less than a year. That is nothing. And it was added on the old programing. And they probably had very short time to make presentation. Tomb Raider is releasing RTX support as patch in unspecified future time after the game release. So it is nowhere near being properly implemented. Just give it time.

RTX won't be properly implemented for at least a year. But the fact that it is here is good. Things are changing. Pascal will still going be go to card.

This isn't new graphics card release. This is new technology release. And there is a big difference.
 
It takes a lot of time to develop game. DICE has been working with RT for less than a year. That is nothing. And it was added on the old programing. And they probably had very short time to make presentation. Tomb Raider is releasing RTX support as patch in unspecified future time after the game release. So it is nowhere near being properly implemented. Just give it time.

RTX won't be properly implemented for at least a year. But the fact that it is here is good. Things are changing. Pascal will still going be go to card.

This isn't new graphics card release. This is new technology release. And there is a big difference.

New graphics cards means new technology.

I don't see why so many people are confusing this launch from hype to not knowing what it actually is despite PR releases explaining what it is. It's like they don't know how to use the internet for fact checking anymore
 
New graphics cards means new technology.

I don't see why so many people are confusing this launch from hype to not knowing what it actually is despite PR releases explaining what it is. It's like they don't know how to use the internet for fact checking anymore

Previous launches were optimisations to older technology. This is new tech from the ground up.

You would be surprised how many people have no clue how to use internet. If it isn't offered it doesn't exist.
 
All the hype is once again people making it out more than it is before launch. Nvidia always gets this reaction somehow
Nvidia is causing the hype. You've seen the same announcement as the rest of us. They were hyping it up like it's the most important technological achievement in gaming since 3D graphics.
 
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It takes a lot of time to develop game. DICE has been working with RT for less than a year. That is nothing. And it was added on the old programing. And they probably had very short time to make presentation. Tomb Raider is releasing RTX support as patch in unspecified future time after the game release. So it is nowhere near being properly implemented. Just give it time.

RTX won't be properly implemented for at least a year. But the fact that it is here is good. Things are changing. Pascal will still going be go to card.

This isn't new graphics card release. This is new technology release. And there is a big difference.


well the impact of RTX in 2019 will be marginal i guess.

when games make real use of RTX, nvidia will have released a 7nm RTX 2180.

that a game is slowed down to 30 FPS at 1080 is a joke.
RTX in tomb raider means afaik just RTX shadows.

some people argue that RTX will not make things slower because work is now done by specialised hardware. they argue the GPU now has dedicated RTX cores that will calculate shadows, reflections and GI... that will in the end free up resources for rasterization, particle effects etc. etc.

well but it is not like putting a math coprocessor into a 486DX system. ;)

when the RTX engine is not fast enough to deliver all the calculation at 140FPS... the frame rate will drop.
you might have 140 FPS with the usual rasterization engine but enabling RTX will slow the game down.



the only hope is that it is indeed a problem with the early implementation, early drivers.

nevertheless nvidia is hyping this stuff like crazy.
right now i see no reason to rush and buy a RTX card.
it would need a big performance gain in "normal" games to make me pay even 600 euro for a new card.

i also hope they will not overdo the raytracing effects.
some of the stuff in BF 5 was to shiny, too reflective for my taste.
sure, they wanted to demonstrate the effects. i get that.

but often designer get carried away.
it´s like with these ultra ugly HDR images.. some people don´t know when to stop.
 
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I don't think this means anything. This is running on an early and unfinished segment on really early and probably not that great drivers.

I don't think this video should be taken as a sign of what the 2080 Ti can do. We can't know for sure til reviews come out but c'mon, you really think Nvidia would release after 2 years, a $1000 flagship GPU that can barely muster 30 fps at 1080?

Hell a 2 year old 1080 Ti will get nearly 60 fps at 4K in most games these days.
 
Hang on a sec when the demo's were being done Jensen said the screen was 4K so where is the 1080p coming from?

The developers said in this article that the game was running in 1080 however they also said that it was an work in progress on an early and incomplete segment of an early and incomplete implementation of a new technology.

I take that as saying it shouldn't be used to judge the performance of a 2080 Ti.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/compu...responds-to-rtx-2080-ti-performance-concerns/
 
Previous launches were optimisations to older technology. This is new tech from the ground up.

You would be surprised how many people have no clue how to use internet. If it isn't offered it doesn't exist.

That's just a naive thing to say.

New technology is new technology. Just because it has *more* newer features than last time doesn't mean it's more new than the older stuff. It's literally the exact same thing. The SMX units were updated. They then tacked on tensor cores. Nothing crazy happened here. It's the same thing with the Hawaii to Fiji cards. All they did was add an interposer and newer memory with more actual CU cores. Exactly the same concept to Pascal and Turing.

That's also a naive statement. Since you took it literally, If you didn't have the internet you wouldn't even know this argument existed nor probably educated and therefore would know very little. But since it wasn't literal, in context it was about gamers hyping up Turing.
 
The developers said in this article that the game was running in 1080 however they also said that it was an work in progress on an early and incomplete segment of an early and incomplete implementation of a new technology.

I take that as saying it shouldn't be used to judge the performance of a 2080 Ti.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/compu...responds-to-rtx-2080-ti-performance-concerns/

Ah ok fair enough I must have missed that bit was pretty tired when I read the article and what you say makes sense
 
That's just a naive thing to say.

New technology is new technology. Just because it has *more* newer features than last time doesn't mean it's more new than the older stuff. It's literally the exact same thing. The SMX units were updated. They then tacked on tensor cores. Nothing crazy happened here. It's the same thing with the Hawaii to Fiji cards. All they did was add an interposer and newer memory with more actual CU cores. Exactly the same concept to Pascal and Turing.

Let's be honest, neither you or Avet know what exactly has happened under the hood because NVidia don't share hardware information freely.

However, these results are pretty impressive.

2kBUKWi.png
 
Let's be honest, neither you or Avet know what exactly has happened under the hood because NVidia don't share hardware information freely.

However, these results are pretty impressive.

2kBUKWi.png

Not really, comparing a card with dedicated cores and tech with one without.
 
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