WYP
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The CPU appears to be using thermal paste (unsoldered).
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Der8auer successfully delids Intel's 12-18 core Skylake-X CPUs
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Dawelio
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Yeah, it's a joke that they still use toothpaste and not soldering. Way to go AMD for taking the lead in the industry with soldering ALL of your Ryzen CPUs.
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AngryGoldfish
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There has to be a valid reason for them doing this. There just has to be.
Dawelio
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Yeah, it's called "Intel in a nutshell", plain and simple ^_^ ...
AlienALX
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Yup, it's called Twatism. There is absolutely no reason to do this because the Xeons are soldered. However, after much deliberation I think I have come to a conclusion. They do it to stop you overclocking as much. See, with the paste there you can only go so far. Heat will stop you overclocking the absolute balls off of the CPU and killing it. If you delid you void your warranty so they don't care about that.
When the 2500k came out it was soldered and Intel sold an overclocking warranty. Since they switched to paste they've stopped all of that. I can absolutely guarantee you they are doing this to reduce RMA.
Kaapstad
Active member
IIRC there are technical reasons why soldering is not good on larger chips.
Apparently they can crack over time, a problem that can be avoided by using paste.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
When was the last chip you had that cracked? Because cracking occurs under extreme temperatures. Which CPUs shut off long before that becomes a problem
Kaapstad
Active member
It occurs over time from repeated usage turning the PC on and off not from extreme temps.
I think intel's concern is long term reliability which is important in professional usage situations.
AlienALX
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I think intel's concern is long term reliability which is important in professional usage situations.
Is that why every Xeon is soldered? sorry mate, you're dropping oxy morons here.
It's Twatism. I 100% promise you. Intel despise overclockers and have ever since the Pentium days when people were overclocking their P60 to P75 and so on. They've done everything they can to stop it, and then they learned to sell it. Only they don't want the RMAs so they paste it to stop you going too far.
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Kaapstad
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I think it is you who is dropping them !!!
It is heat and voltage that kills electrical components not clockspeed.
If you can get a higher clockspeed using less voltage by having solder or delidding this is not going to result in more RMAs to intel. This means that intel have other reasons for using paste that have got nothing to do with overclocking as if people still want to try with paste they will be getting higher temps and possibly using more voltage too.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
OK but you still didn't answer my question. When was the last time you had a CPU that was soldered and it cracked?
Kaapstad
Active member
I am the last person you should be asking that lol.
All my PCs get quite light usage (4 ATM) they all have heavy duty custom watercooling and don't run big overclocks for 24/7 use. My CPUs for 24/7 all run @4.0ghz as for gaming and normal tasks this is plenty.
Dawelio
Active member
^This right here... Never quite understood why everyone wants to go for record overclocks. Is it to being able to sort of having a measure contest of who has the longest overclock (bragging rights) or what?.
AlienALX
Well-known member
What about all of the solder on the ICs and so on? are they going to start sticking them on with paste too?
Dry solder joints happen after years. Years and years. The I7 920 was soldered, do you see loads of people running around saying they have died because of dry solder, or, are reporting abnormal temps? The I7 920 and 950 were as hot as it gets, so I am not buying it sorry. Any way, dry solder joints (note joints) are a totally different kettle of fish to an IHS. If a solder joint goes dry and cracks the electrical connection is lost. If a piece of solder on the join between the IHS cracks then there's a good chance it will still make plenty of contact.
Seriously, count the amount of threads we have had on here complaining about dry solder failure on any soldered CPU. Not the BGA on a GPU, we've had plenty of those, but the actual solder interface between the die and the IHS.
That would be a total of about none.
Sorry, people need to stop making excuses for Intel. They are a big company with experts hired.
Kaap - going back to what you were saying. Yes heat will kill but voltage will kill faster. The point is that if they are soldered you have to go easier on voltage and easier on the clock speeds, or else your CPU will get too hot. We're not thick, we know where the temps should be and we know the safe temps. If a CPU is too hot what do we do? we wind back the volts and clocks. I've literally just done it on my Titan XP.
I maintain. If the CPU is soldered then we can put more voltage through it and get higher clocks, right? why else would people delid? because they want to play Russian roulette and lose a grand? no, no, they actually do it to bring down temps so they can shove more voltage in and get higher clocks.
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