Deneb Has Got Some Speed

[°TheMadDutchDude°]

We all hate one sided fights.. they're really unfair!

Off topic: PV, are you still benching? :wavey:

 

[Zoot]

Intel are always the ones to get there first.. and still manage to do a better job of it!

AMD were the first to bring dual core to the market.

 

[Rastalovich]

Individual cache use ? Memory management ?

 

[D-Cyph3r]

We all hate one sided fights.. they're really unfair!

Off topic: PV, are you still benching? :wavey:

Wow, you've really contradicted yourself in this thread (and made yourself look quite the fanboy)....

Anywho, i've been following the flamewa... discussion on XS and there is a definate divide of opinion, of course those of us who are slightly less blinded hope this is true. Just look at what the 4800's did for GPU prices (I still ROFL at all the people who paid near on £600 for a GTX280), if AMD can even match high end yorkies yet provide an easily overclockable, DDR2 compatible platform they'll put a much needed rumble in the market.

 

[usman.zx10]

amd really needs to come back to commercial market. cause they are not doing hot. I went from my x2 to phenom to q6600.. i hope they can pull it off.

 

[FarFarAway]

AMD are a great innovative company and dominated from the Athlon XP's through until Conroe so please reverse your fanboyism because frankly, it's just sad.

I really am hoping Denob can pull some nice numbers, getting AMD back on top of the performance figures will be good for the industry.

 

[°TheMadDutchDude°]

Okay I admit I contradicted myself there, but don't we all hate one sided fights.. come on

Also, yeah you can call me an Intel fanboy if you wish but I know it is true, I don't really care to be quite honest. I have had an AMD, didn't like it and have learnt from my experiences, Intel (to me) is the far superior chip in the market today and hopefully will remain so.

 

[mrapoc]

go for whatever is best at the time

tbh ¬.¬

 

[FarFarAway]

Also, yeah you can call me an Intel fanboy if you wish but I know it is true, I don't really care to be quite honest. I have had an AMD, didn't like it and have learnt from my experiences, Intel (to me) is the far superior chip in the market today and hopefully will remain so.

Epic fail :nono::noobsign:

go for whatever is best at the time

tbh ¬.¬

Yep

 

[ionicle]

this is looking promising, perhaps a throwback to the 939 days, where AMD ruled the roost, and intel cowered

 

[Zoot]

go for whatever is best at the time

tbh ¬.¬

X3. I am not a fanboy either way, I just go with the best around which atm happens to be Intel. I used to love my old gaming platform with the Athlon right at the centre, but I couldn't ignore the obvious when Conroe came out.

 

[Rastalovich]

go for whatever is best at the time

tbh ¬.¬

U have to really. Going from 939, I didnt feel good about am2 and I still feel short-changed with the am2+ mobos, so 775 it is.

AM3 mobos have to be great to go with the cpus. If this time next year they're more attractive than the incoming intel offering, I'll go AM3.

I'll bleed the 775 tho like I did 939.

 

[PP Mguire]

it has 8MB L3 cache that is much more than Barcelona.

Barcelona = old server chip and Shanghi = new server chip. Shanghi and Deneb will both have 6+ mb of L3 and AMD has always had Intel in memory bandwidth. They just need to get their archi right and start pumping faster than Intel clock for clock and they are gold like the old days.

*ignores stupid fanboyism*

Im still on 939 and loving it.

 

[Bungral]

But they is yours not just stupid fanboyism?

Nehalem has more L3 cache now as well as the IMC.

I'm totally impartial.. Had a couple of Athlons and loved them and loved siding with the underdog until it became stupid as I was due an upgrade and the Core 2s were just so far superior. Until AMD have a chip that is far superior or on level playing field but cheaper then I'm sticking with Intel.

Simple as I go with what's best for the money for me.

 

[Zoot]

Barcelona = old server chip and Shanghi = new server chip. Shanghi and Deneb will both have 6+ mb of L3 and AMD has always had Intel in memory bandwidth. They just need to get their archi right and start pumping faster than Intel clock for clock and they are gold like the old days.

True.... merely because of the integrated memory controller. That's not the case anymore with QPI, which has a higher data transfer rate than HyperTransport.

Fanboyism??

Read up on the specifics of the 2 architectures for yourself.

 

[PP Mguire]

Except, same voltage for cpu/ram = fail. Im no fanboy, since im about to upgrade to an E8400. So you can take you accusations elsewhere actualy. Im merely stating the facts here which i was correcting somebody elses mistake.

Ive been hearing alot more of the "im gonna get Deneb" then the "im gonna get Nehalem" simply becasue of the fail they call IMC.

 

[Zoot]

Well, a maximum speed of DDR3 1066 (Or whatever the figure is) isn't going to have much of an effect on it. And how exactly is an Integrated Memory Controller a "fail"?

So you can take you accusations elsewhere actualy. Im merely stating the facts here which i was correcting somebody elses mistake.

Look, it's not my intention to argue with anyone here. The last thing I want is a "Fanboy Flame War".

I'm only quoting back the specifics of the 2 architectures....

 

[PP Mguire]

Considering DDR3 can go to 2000mhz and beyond and AMD will be able to take full advantage and Intels newly stolen IMC cant go past 1333 because of ram/voltage limit....id say thats fail I wasnt calling an IMC in general fail but Intels first attempt at it.

Oh, and id be willing to bet that wont be the case though with some other threads i read this morning on TPU.

 

[Zoot]

With a huge low latency cache having faster memory is kind of pointless, DDR2 V DDR3 is an example. So Vdimm *shouldn't be* too much of a problem.

Anyway,

Intel don't need a new cpu line.

2/4/8 Hyperthreaded cores, a Point to point differential Bus connection (QPI), a low latency L3 cache...

None of it's necessary.

Heck it would be nice if we saw the full potential of Conroe/Penryn.

It's only a hardware enthuiast that's even going to remotely consider an upgrade, that's not where the market is...

The piece of crap chip that's in most OEM office PCs is where the market is atm, not up with the "Extreme" line of things. Any office you walk into you'll find a lot are still using Pentium 4s. The workstations I was using with my last job housed Opteron 150s. It's only lately that my college upgraded to Core 2 based machines.

And then they're fooling with Larrabee too. Why?

This strikes me as something that might play out the same way as Microsofts decision to manufacture their own chip for the XBOX 360 rather than pay a vendor to do so for them. That didn't exactly end well did it?

But then again Intel's deep pockets will more than likely see them through regardless..

 

[PP Mguire]

All the better to get a cheap ass Deneb =)